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kk67 wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: The utterly stupid and depressing thing about all this is the reliance that we have on each other. Yet both sides seem to be quite happy engaging in diplomatic dick waving rather than compromising. Juncker, for example, insulting our political leadership is hardly helpful.

It's only stupid and depressing because the UK is unilaterally jumping ship. You cannot blame the EU for the outcome.

Most worrying, stupid and depressing is the simple fact of the pound having lost 20% of it's value since the vote.
Very few people seem willing to even mention this situation and even worse it suddenly seems to be a method of checks and balances that the Establishment have decided to utterly ignore.

Their failure to reform and attitude to change hasn't helped.

Digby wrote:So far it's been a pathetically bad night for Glorious Leader™ though Labour wouldn't be wholly wrong to note the turnout was similarly pathetic

Indeed. But Emily Thornbury is suggesting that its too early to make any conclusions on how badly Labour have done.

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:So far it's been a pathetically bad night for Glorious Leader™ though Labour wouldn't be wholly wrong to note the turnout was similarly pathetic

Indeed. But Emily Thornbury is suggesting that its too early to make any conclusions on how badly Labour have done.

Maybe because not all council results were in yet..
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Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:So far it's been a pathetically bad night for Glorious Leader™ though Labour wouldn't be wholly wrong to note the turnout was similarly pathetic

Indeed. But Emily Thornbury is suggesting that its too early to make any conclusions on how badly Labour have done.

Maybe because not all council results were in yet..
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Now, normally opposition parties do well in local elections. Yet even now, Labour have lost a swath of seats. Even if they hold all their remaining seats, its been a really bad night.

Also a very bad night for UKIP and the Lib Dems haven't performed as well as they would have liked.

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
Indeed. But Emily Thornbury is suggesting that its too early to make any conclusions on how badly Labour have done.

Maybe because not all council results were in yet..
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Now, normally opposition parties do well in local elections. Yet even now, Labour have lost a swath of seats. Even if they hold all their remaining seats, its been a really bad night.

Also a very bad night for UKIP and the Lib Dems haven't performed as well as they would have liked.

If the UK really wants to be Tory, so be it. Luckily for me I'm mostly unaffected by the idiocy of such people.

Warning, low flying teddies!!

Sandydragon wrote:Warning, low flying teddies!!

Meanwhile... In Europe, people look on with mild bemusement... at a country's slow descent into irrelevance.

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Warning, low flying teddies!!

Meanwhile... In Europe, people look on with mild bemusement... at a country's slow descent into irrelevance.

I think Europe has enough of its own problems without taking the piss too much.

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Warning, low flying teddies!!

Meanwhile... In Europe, people look on with mild bemusement... at a country's slow descent into irrelevance.

I think Europe has enough of its own problems without taking the piss too much.

Five Star Movement, Le Pen, Wilders, Golden Dawn etc etc etc. Nothing to worry about there.

Feegie Park, FFS!!!

Mellsblue wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:
Meanwhile... In Europe, people look on with mild bemusement... at a country's slow descent into irrelevance.

I think Europe has enough of its own problems without taking the piss too much.

Five Star Movement, Le Pen, Wilders, Golden Dawn etc etc etc. Nothing to worry about there.

All not in power. There are extremists in power in the UK. You wonder why UKIP vote declined so much? Because Tories just became them for all intents and purposes...

Zhivago wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
I think Europe has enough of its own problems without taking the piss too much.

Five Star Movement, Le Pen, Wilders, Golden Dawn etc etc etc. Nothing to worry about there.

All not in power. There are extremists in power in the UK. You wonder why UKIP vote declined so much? Because Tories just became them for all intents and purposes...

If you think the Conservatives are extremists you've lost all perspective.
The UKIP vote has declined because they achieved their sole aim.

Mellsblue wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Five Star Movement, Le Pen, Wilders, Golden Dawn etc etc etc. Nothing to worry about there.

All not in power. There are extremists in power in the UK. You wonder why UKIP vote declined so much? Because Tories just became them for all intents and purposes...

If you think the Conservatives are extremists you've lost all perspective.
The UKIP vote has declined because they achieved their sole aim.

I've lost perspective? Absurd.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk_eu_referendum2016

This shows the political perspective of the various main political opinion that dominated the EU ref. Conservatives (A & F) are clearly extreme. That you cannot see their extremism is rather disconcerting.

Dianne Abbot has added up all the figures and declared victory for Labour with a gain of seventytwelve seats.

Zhivago wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Zhivago wrote:
All not in power. There are extremists in power in the UK. You wonder why UKIP vote declined so much? Because Tories just became them for all intents and purposes...

If you think the Conservatives are extremists you've lost all perspective.
The UKIP vote has declined because they achieved their sole aim.

I've lost perspective? Absurd.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk_eu_referendum2016

This shows the political perspective of the various main political opinion that dominated the EU ref. Conservatives (A & F) are clearly extreme. That you cannot see their extremism is rather disconcerting.

I stopped reading when they described Corbyn as a 'left of centre social liberal'.
Rather than give me an referendum-centric opinion piece which thinks Corbyn is left of centre, give me some Conservative Party policy that is extremist. That they want to leave the EU after the referendum, the result of which stated that the country should leave the EU, doesn't count as an extremist policy.

No extremists in this picture, no siree...

Stones of granite wrote:Feegie Park, FFS!!!

Genuinely shocking that the Conservatives have picked up seats in some of the Wards they have in Scotland.

Interestingly, in areas that will translate into Alex Salmond and Angus Robertsons seats on June 6th has seen the Conservatives do well.

Absolutely pmsl at the results in Scotland. Who'd thunk the SNP would bring a tory surge with them? Feckin hilarious.

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Mellsblue wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: If you think the Conservatives are extremists you've lost all perspective.
The UKIP vote has declined because they achieved their sole aim.

I've lost perspective? Absurd.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk_eu_referendum2016

This shows the political perspective of the various main political opinion that dominated the EU ref. Conservatives (A & F) are clearly extreme. That you cannot see their extremism is rather disconcerting.

I stopped reading when they described Corbyn as a 'left of centre social liberal'.
Rather than give me an referendum-centric opinion piece which thinks Corbyn is left of centre, give me some Conservative Party policy that is extremist. That they want to leave the EU after the referendum, the result of which stated that the country should leave the EU, doesn't count as an extremist policy.

-Nuclear first strike policy
-Privatisation of health & education
-Selling arms to dictatorships committing war crimes
-Reneging on international obligations incl. Refusal to grandfather treaty rights.
-Expansion of mass surveillance state
-Censorship of Internet
-Destruction of state support for vulnerable

Um... There's Surely more

Donny osmond wrote:Absolutely pmsl at the results in Scotland. Who'd thunk the SNP would bring a tory surge with them? Feckin hilarious.

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I bet there aren't many in Scottish Labour laughing. What are the odds on Kezia falling on her, um, sword, after the GE?

Zhivago wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Zhivago wrote:
I've lost perspective? Absurd.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk_eu_referendum2016

This shows the political perspective of the various main political opinion that dominated the EU ref. Conservatives (A & F) are clearly extreme. That you cannot see their extremism is rather disconcerting.

I stopped reading when they described Corbyn as a 'left of centre social liberal'.
Rather than give me an referendum-centric opinion piece which thinks Corbyn is left of centre, give me some Conservative Party policy that is extremist. That they want to leave the EU after the referendum, the result of which stated that the country should leave the EU, doesn't count as an extremist policy.

-Nuclear first strike policy
-Privatisation of health & education
-Selling arms to dictatorships committing war crimes
-Reneging on international obligations incl. Refusal to grandfather treaty rights.
-Expansion of mass surveillance state
-Censorship of Internet
-Destruction of state support for vulnerable

Um... There's Surely more

- The same as the perennially left of centre France (the real left of centre, not Political Compass' left of centre) and supported by the Labour Party. It's also NATO policy. It's not North Korean policy, though. Good to know that good old Kim isn't an extremist. So......not solely a Conservative policy.
- Not what I'd call extremist but hey-ho. Both started by the Labour Party.
- Not that I want to defend it but this would make most industrialised nations governed by extremists. So........not solely a Conservative policy.
- I'd like some examples but before you do I'll counter it with the International Development Act, commitment to the NATO 2% spending etc
- That mass surveillance keeps us, and citizens of other countries, safe. It's hardly Orwellian in its nature. Be careful though you might have a knock on your door tonight after they've read this. Also, state surveillance is nothing compared to the surveillance undertaken by Google, Apple, Facebook etc but you don't want to stop that.....
- Don't make me laugh. It's impossible to censor the Internet - unless you're China and just ban non-governmental sites. They are merely asking providers to monitor their content. Can't see why anyone would be against that. Not solely a Conservative policy.
- You can always tell when people get desperate as they start using hyperbole. Pensioners would disagree with you here, as would the record number of employed people. The attempted cut to the DLA was wrong but the party as a whole stopped it from happening. Also, the vast majority of the cuts were under the coalition govt so we'll have to label the Lib Dems as extremists as well. I suppose that fits in with Farron's thoughts on homosexuality. Speaking of which, which party legalised gay marriage? Also, the socialist governments of both France and Spain have cut their welfare budgets.......the extremists.

Clueless. France is not left wing. In case you haven't been following their politics, no one from the left advanced to the second round. Hollande is also not left wing.

Stones of granite wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:Absolutely pmsl at the results in Scotland. Who'd thunk the SNP would bring a tory surge with them? Feckin hilarious.

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I bet there aren't many in Scottish Labour laughing. What are the odds on Kezia falling on her, um, sword, after the GE?

She might, Labour need a root and branch reboot. Don't know if she will tho, it would bring deck chairs and the titanic to mind.

I actually think in about 10 years she'll be a very very good politician, she's just taken on a poison chalice at a time when the main left wing party in the uk is trying its hardest to implode as spectacularly as possible.

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Zhivago wrote:Clueless. France is not left wing. In case you haven't been following their politics, no one from the left advanced to the second round. Hollande is also not left wing.

France isn't left of centre. Haha, good one.

I have being following the French elections, but unless Le Pen and/or Macron set policy over the last 35/40 years or so I'm not sure they can be blamed for France's nuclear deterrent policy or the welfare cuts in the last parliament (by the socialist party).