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And let's not forget Mr P Try being robbed of his due in 91.

Puja

Puja wrote:And let's not forget Mr P Try being robbed of his due in 91.

Puja

Campo....boooo

For anyone like me, who fancied a bit of nostalgia, here's highlights from the 1991 final:



Utterly bizarre to watch as it's a different sport to anything around today. Not just the way professionalism has affected the players, but also the little incremental law changes across the last 28 years have made rucks and lineouts completely different beasts. I wonder if you put today's England side up against that one, without any preparation time, how it would go. Of course the difference in fitness, skills, and size would be massive, but the laws and the tactics that those laws demand would be utterly baffling. I can just imagine Tom Curry trying to cope with those rucks!

Mind, just imagined BillyV carrying the ball through Jeremy Guscott. Now I'm smiling.

Puja

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:Ben Kay only a fumble away from that team, Cueto a dodgy decision

Fixed.

It wasn't a dodgy decision. Cueto's foot touched the line before he placed the ball.

It was a shit final from a shit tournament run by shitty organisers.

cashead wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:Ben Kay only a fumble away from that team, Cueto a dodgy decision

Fixed.

It wasn't a dodgy decision. Cueto's foot touched the line before he placed the ball.

It was a shit final from a shit tournament run by shitty organisers.

lemons

Banquo wrote:

cashead wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Fixed.

It wasn't a dodgy decision. Cueto's foot touched the line before he placed the ball.

It was a shit final from a shit tournament run by shitty organisers.

lemons

Ha. This coming from a man who resides in country where a mental meltdown from their team was blamed on a referee.

To clarify, it was tongue in cheek. Most England fans were just happy we got as far as the final and, to top it off, had an excuse for a weekend of drinking in Paris.

cashead wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:Ben Kay only a fumble away from that team, Cueto a dodgy decision

Fixed.

It wasn't a dodgy decision. Cueto's foot touched the line before he placed the ball.

It was a shit final from a shit tournament run by shitty organisers.

It was marginal - foot touch and ball ground happened same frame, so it was a genuine 50/50. And it was a shit tournament - it was at that fun time in the laws when everyone just booted the ball up in the air because it was better not to have the ball than to have it. And for England to get to the final considering how crap they were was incredible - it would've been daylight robbery had we won.

However, even crap as we were, at least we managed to beat France.

Puja

Puja wrote:

cashead wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Fixed.

It wasn't a dodgy decision. Cueto's foot touched the line before he placed the ball.

It was a shit final from a shit tournament run by shitty organisers.

It was marginal - foot touch and ball ground happened same frame, so it was a genuine 50/50. And it was a shit tournament - it was at that fun time in the laws when everyone just booted the ball up in the air because it was better not to have the ball than to have it. And for England to get to the final considering how crap they were was incredible - it would've been daylight robbery had we won.

However, even crap as we were, at least we managed to beat France.

Puja

At least we can progress beyond our pool group.

cashead wrote:

Puja wrote:

cashead wrote: It wasn't a dodgy decision. Cueto's foot touched the line before he placed the ball.

It was a shit final from a shit tournament run by shitty organisers.

It was marginal - foot touch and ball ground happened same frame, so it was a genuine 50/50. And it was a shit tournament - it was at that fun time in the laws when everyone just booted the ball up in the air because it was better not to have the ball than to have it. And for England to get to the final considering how crap they were was incredible - it would've been daylight robbery had we won.

However, even crap as we were, at least we managed to beat France.

Puja

At least we can progress beyond our pool group.

Excuse me, we've talking solely about 2007 here. Don't know what you're referring to.

Puja

cashead wrote: At least we can progress beyond our pool group.

Good point, well made..
However, 1 swallow doesn't make a summer.

Galfon wrote:

cashead wrote: At least we can progress beyond our pool group.

Good point, well made..
However, 1 swallow doesn't make a summer.

1 swallow is a good start imo

Some positional adjustments due to numbers - what group is this ?

1. r snow (can)
2. j dalton (sa)
3. n taufo-ua (ton)
4. p sporleder (arg)
5. h richards (wal) /m keenan (sam)
6. d codey (aus)
7. s warburton (wal) - co-capt.
8. j nieuwenhuis (nam)/ h t-pole (ton)
9. a ormaechea (uru)
10. g rees (can) - co-capt.
11. f mahoni (ton)
12. b venter (can)
13. d baugh (can)
14. m vunibaka (fij)
15. p williams (sam)
 

Galfon wrote:Some positional adjustments due to numbers - what group is this ?

1. r snow (can)
2. j dalton (sa)
3. n taufo-ua (ton)
4. p sporleder (arg)
5. h richards (wal) /m keenan (sam)
6. d codey (aus)
7. s warburton (wal) - co-capt.
8. j nieuwenhuis (nam)/ h t-pole (ton)
9. a ormaechea (uru)
10. g rees (can) - co-capt.
11. f mahoni (ton)
12. b venter (can)
13. d baugh (can)
14. m vunibaka (fij)
15. p williams (sam)
 

People who have played in at least 3 RWCs?

Puja

maybe true, but not the reason for selection..

Red card in a RWC match?

Lizard wrote:Red card in a RWC match?

I reckon that's it. Great spot.

Puja

It confirmed..the full set I think.
The list will be extended somewhat I feel once the year is out.

England XV ( & something in common..)

1. W Slack
2. R Woolmer
3. C Cowdrey
4. E Dexter
5. B D'Oliveira
6. I Pringle
7. M Prior
8. P De Freitas
9. P Edmonds
10.G Small
11.A Caddick

Subs.:
12. M Denness
13. D Reeve
14. S Jones
15. R Croft

Galfon wrote:England XV ( & something in common..)

1. W Slack
2. R Woolmer
3. C Cowdrey
4. E Dexter
5. B D'Oliveira
6. I Pringle
7. M Prior
8. P De Freitas
9. P Edmonds
10.G Small
11.A Caddick

Subs.:
12. M Denness
13. D Reeve
14. S Jones
15. R Croft

Not born in England?

Puja

Puja wrote: Not born in England?
Puja

Indeed.

Galfon wrote:England XV ( & something in common..)

1. W Slack
2. R Woolmer
3. C Cowdrey
4. E Dexter
5. B D'Oliveira
6. I Pringle
7. M Prior
8. P De Freitas
9. P Edmonds
10.G Small
11.A Caddick

Subs.:
12. M Denness
13. D Reeve
14. S Jones
15. R Croft

Didn’t win a fucking CWC final either?

Lizard wrote: Didn’t win a fucking CWC final either?

True -
also none faced the first and last ball bowled in a completed 1-day final, got run out with the scores tied in a final or threw a return that bounced off a runner's bat to the boundary in the last over of a final.. wtf.

Redemption though, already playing in a winning Wuss T20 Blast team.

OK, here's a 1st XV and a 2nd XV. Both teams have the same selection criteria. What are they?

1st XV
1. Mako Vunipola (Eng)
2. Motu Matu'u (Sam)
3. Ben Tameifuna (Ton)
4. Filo Paulo (Sam)
5. Luke Thompson (Jpn)
6. Blade Thomson (Sco)
7. Lukhan Salakaia-Loto (Aus),
8. Michael Leitch (Jpn)
9. Willie Heinz (Eng)
10. Christian Leali'ifano (Aus)
11. Sean Maitland (Sco)
12. Hadleigh Parkes (Wal)
13. Bundee Aki (Ire)
14. Cooper Vuna (Ton)
15: Tim Nanai-Williams (Sam)

2nd XV
1. Simon Berghan (Sco)
2. Jordan Uelese (Aus)
3: Paul Alo-Emile (Sam)
4. Kane Leaupepe (Sam)
5. Josh Tyrell (Sam),
6: Chris Vui (Sam)
7. Zane Kapeli (Ton)
8. Jack Lam (Sam)
9. Leon Fukofuka (Ton)
10. Joey Carbery (Ire)
11. Lemano Lemeki (Jpn)
12. Will Tupoe (Jpn)
13. Kieran Fonotia (Sam)
14. Belgium Tuatagaloa (Sam)
15. Jayden Hayward (Ita)

Clue - These are the only other eligible players:
Hookers: Seilala Lam (Sam), Raymond Niuia (Sam), Paul Ngauamo (Ton)
Locks: Dean Budd (Ita), Leva Fifita (Ton), Sam Lousi (Ton)
Flankers: Daniel Faleafa (Ton), Tony Lamborn, (USA) Piula Faʻasalele (Sam)
No. 8s: Hendrik Tui (Jpn), Maama Vaipulu (Ton), Nasi manu Ton)
Fly half: Kurt Morath (Ton)
Centres: Siale Piutau (Ton), Nafi Tuitavake (Ton), Paul Lasike (USA)
Wing: Viliami Lolohea (Ton)
FB: Telusa Vaipulu (Ton)

Lizard wrote:OK, here's a 1st XV and a 2nd XV. Both teams have the same selection criteria. What are they?

1st XV
1. Mako Vunipola (Eng)
2. Motu Matu'u (Sam)
3. Ben Tameifuna (Ton)
4. Filo Paulo (Sam)
5. Luke Thompson (Jpn)
6. Blade Thomson (Sco)
7. Lukhan Salakaia-Loto (Aus),
8. Michael Leitch (Jpn)
9. Willie Heinz (Eng)
10. Christian Leali'ifano (Aus)
11. Sean Maitland (Sco)
12. Hadleigh Parkes (Wal)
13. Bundee Aki (Ire)
14. Cooper Vuna (Ton)
15: Tim Nanai-Williams (Sam)

2nd XV
1. Simon Berghan (Sco)
2. Jordan Uelese (Aus)
3: Paul Alo-Emile (Sam)
4. Kane Leaupepe (Sam)
5. Josh Tyrell (Sam),
6: Chris Vui (Sam)
7. Zane Kapeli (Ton)
8. Jack Lam (Sam)
9. Leon Fukofuka (Ton)
10. Joey Carbery (Ire)
11. Lemano Lemeki (Jpn)
12. Will Tupoe (Jpn)
13. Kieran Fonotia (Sam)
14. Belgium Tuatagaloa (Sam)
15. Jayden Hayward (Ita)

Clue - These are the only other eligible players:
Hookers: Seilala Lam (Sam), Raymond Niuia (Sam), Paul Ngauamo (Ton)
Locks: Dean Budd (Ita), Leva Fifita (Ton), Sam Lousi (Ton)
Flankers: Daniel Faleafa (Ton), Tony Lamborn, (USA) Piula Faʻasalele (Sam)
No. 8s: Hendrik Tui (Jpn), Maama Vaipulu (Ton), Nasi manu Ton)
Fly half: Kurt Morath (Ton)
Centres: Siale Piutau (Ton), Nafi Tuitavake (Ton), Paul Lasike (USA)
Wing: Viliami Lolohea (Ton)
FB: Telusa Vaipulu (Ton)

New Zealand born players in non-NZ RWC squads.

Puja

Got it in one. Nice.

I was trying to do a full RWC squad of 31 but ran out of props.