RugbyRebels

kk67 wrote:

UGagain wrote:

kk67 wrote:
Terrifying and totally unsurprising. The links to Fox are equally unsurprising.
For such a small clique to utterly control the establishment and the opposition......it's a mockery of even the notion of democracy.
The list of the multinationals funding the Fabians....just a joke. What a bunch of w*nkers. F*cking Hilary Benn. F*ck the lot of them.

Why don't you like Owen Jones, Fella ?.....I think he's rather good. It wouldn't be a case of the green eyed monster over your younger colleague, would it ..?. Seems like a nice lad to me.

He's a sheep dog.

Nice racism on the sheepdog front. I'll assume that's a Yes.
He's quality. If he was standing for PM I'd deliver some leaflets.

Eh?

UGagain wrote:

kk67 wrote:

UGagain wrote:
He's a sheep dog.

Nice racism on the sheepdog front. I'll assume that's a Yes.
He's quality. If he was standing for PM I'd deliver some leaflets.

Eh?

I assumed it was a Welsh reference on account of his name. He's at the very least the next Robin Day.

But my question was why you didn't like him.

kk67 wrote:

UGagain wrote:

kk67 wrote:
Nice racism on the sheepdog front. I'll assume that's a Yes.
He's quality. If he was standing for PM I'd deliver some leaflets.

Eh?

I assumed it was a Welsh reference on account of his name. He's at the very least the next Robin Day.

Nope. Nothing to do with his Welshness. He works to keep the left in line with establishment interests.

UGagain wrote:

kk67 wrote:

UGagain wrote:
Eh?

I assumed it was a Welsh reference on account of his name. He's at the very least the next Robin Day.

Nope. Nothing to do with his Welshness. He works to keep the left in line with establishment interests.

No he doesn't...far from it. You might want to look more closely into his contributions. The Lad is quality,.....delivered in abc format.
Hence my specific question.

kk67 wrote:

UGagain wrote:

kk67 wrote:
I assumed it was a Welsh reference on account of his name. He's at the very least the next Robin Day.

Nope. Nothing to do with his Welshness. He works to keep the left in line with establishment interests.

No he doesn't...far from it. You might want to look more closely into his contributions. The Lad is quality,.....delivered in abc format.
Hence my specific question.

Or you might. He's the best of an extremely bad lot at the Grauniad I suppose. But it still means he works for the heinous Kath Viner in an organisation that is doing everything it can to undermine labour interests at home and promote war abroad.

And some of his stuff is straight establishment propaganda.

He's no Seumas Milne. Not even half.

Digby wrote:

kk67 wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: what's the penalty for slander under Sharia law? Oh wait, I think I can guess.

You can go 50/50..?.

I think you need to predict, not bet.

There is money involved....

UGagain wrote:

kk67 wrote:

UGagain wrote:

Nope. Nothing to do with his Welshness. He works to keep the left in line with establishment interests.

No he doesn't...far from it. You might want to look more closely into his contributions. The Lad is quality,.....delivered in abc format.
Hence my specific question.

Or you might. He's the best of an extremely bad lot at the Grauniad I suppose. But it still means he works for the heinous Kath Viner in an organisation that is doing everything it can to undermine labour interests at home and promote war abroad.

And some of his stuff is straight establishment propaganda.

He's no Seumas Milne. Not even half.

At this time of night,.....I don't have the bollocks to deal with H or UG. I'm sorry.

The most surprising thing about this coup is the ineptness of the plotters so far.

If they lose, and it's hard to see it any other way at this point, they've given the party all the reason they need to have mass deselections and hopefully get rid of the Blairites for good.

Happy days.

kk67 wrote:

Digby wrote:

kk67 wrote:
You can go 50/50..?.

I think you need to predict, not bet.

There is money involved....

Sure, but you'd have to pretend you weren't betting for it to pass Islamic law, much as you'd have to pretend an Islamic mortgage doesn't see one borrow money.

UGagain wrote:The most surprising thing about this coup is the ineptness of the plotters so far.

If they lose, and it's hard to see it any other way at this point, they've given the party all the reason they need to have mass deselections and hopefully get rid of the Blairites for good.

Happy days.

You think they'll lose?

jared_7 wrote:

UGagain wrote:The most surprising thing about this coup is the ineptness of the plotters so far.

If they lose, and it's hard to see it any other way at this point, they've given the party all the reason they need to have mass deselections and hopefully get rid of the Blairites for good.

Happy days.

You think they'll lose?

Almost certainly, Labour party ranks having been bolstered with a lot of lefty loons who want to vote Corbyn, and a lot of Tories, who want to vote for Corbyn. The interesting part is do the Labour MPs then split from the party, or do they wait for the next election when the SNP might emerge as the official opposition considering they'd then have a chance to regain control of the party.

Digby wrote:

jared_7 wrote:

UGagain wrote:The most surprising thing about this coup is the ineptness of the plotters so far.

If they lose, and it's hard to see it any other way at this point, they've given the party all the reason they need to have mass deselections and hopefully get rid of the Blairites for good.

Happy days.

You think they'll lose?

Almost certainly, Labour party ranks having been bolstered with a lot of lefty loons who want to vote Corbyn, and a lot of Tories, who want to vote for Corbyn. The interesting part is do the Labour MPs then split from the party, or do they wait for the next election when the SNP might emerge as the official opposition considering they'd then have a chance to regain control of the party.

Time is not on their side. Boundary changes mean they'll be reselected before the next GE.

You undermine your credibility by calling them loons.

Zhivago wrote:

Digby wrote:

jared_7 wrote:
You think they'll lose?

Almost certainly, Labour party ranks having been bolstered with a lot of lefty loons who want to vote Corbyn, and a lot of Tories, who want to vote for Corbyn. The interesting part is do the Labour MPs then split from the party, or do they wait for the next election when the SNP might emerge as the official opposition considering they'd then have a chance to regain control of the party.

Time is not on their side. Boundary changes mean they'll be reselected before the next GE.

I think that might just hasten the formation of a new party if they did deselect current standing MPs, though we don't know they wouldn't be reselected at a local level as that's quite a different thing to the lunatic member base, and even for Jeremy it'd be a move sorely lacking in astuteness if he tried to bring the party further to the left.

So logically the non-Corbyn Labour MPs need to quit Labour and form a new party within Parliament before the next GE. That's obviously punting on whether their constituents prefer them or a Corbyn-flavoured Labour.

What's the Corbyn:non-Corbyn split in the PLP?

Lizard wrote:So logically the non-Corbyn Labour MPs need to quit Labour and form a new party within Parliament before the next GE. That's obviously punting on whether their constituents prefer them or a Corbyn-flavoured Labour.

What's the Corbyn:non-Corbyn split in the PLP?

About 40 MPs voted against the vote of no confidence. The rest voted to remove him.

Yeah but how many is that? I've only a vague idea of the size of your parliament and none of the Conservative majority.

Lizard wrote:Yeah but how many is that? I've only a vague idea of the size of your parliament and none of the Conservative majority.

A total of 229.

172 voted for him to step down. I'm assuming the remainder abstained.

Lizard wrote:Yeah but how many is that? I've only a vague idea of the size of your parliament and none of the Conservative majority.

650 seats
330 Conservative MPs
230 Labour MPs

The joys of a FPP system

To prove how pre-planned it was, they were so cocky they briefed The Torygraph before the EU referendum was even held:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... litz-afte/

Digby wrote:

Lizard wrote:Yeah but how many is that? I've only a vague idea of the size of your parliament and none of the Conservative majority.

650 seats
330 Conservative MPs
230 Labour MPs

The joys of a FPP system

You're missing a few out there, like the entirety of SNP... The conservative majority is only 11 or so.

Zhivago wrote:

Digby wrote:

Lizard wrote:Yeah but how many is that? I've only a vague idea of the size of your parliament and none of the Conservative majority.

650 seats
330 Conservative MPs
230 Labour MPs

The joys of a FPP system

You're missing a few out there, like the entirety of SNP... The conservative majority is only 11 or so.

I was only attempting to list the top two, but still, in listing there being 650 seats and there being 330 Conservatives I suspect most people can work out the majority even if they didn't already know it to be a narrow one.

If you want the rest, then it's 60 odd SNP (might be 58 or 59), 8 DUP, 8 Lid Dems, 3 or 4 Plaid Cymru, maybe 5 Independents, 1 Green, 1 UKIP, and then I'm overlooking a few but anyone who really wants a breakdown is probably looking it up anyway.

Edit - 4 Sinn Fein, not sure how I forgot that delightful bunch

Ok, thanks. So an anti-Corbyn New Labour Party in alliance with SNP could be a credible opposition force? What's SNP's position on inter-party relations?

Lizard wrote:Ok, thanks. So an anti-Corbyn New Labour Party in alliance with SNP could be a credible opposition force? What's SNP's position on inter-party relations?

Corbyn's Labour policies are the closest of all parties to the SNP's policies, a coalition or at least co-ordination could be workable. But the SNP would not feel the same way about an anti-Corbyn faction.

Zhivago wrote:

Lizard wrote:Ok, thanks. So an anti-Corbyn New Labour Party in alliance with SNP could be a credible opposition force? What's SNP's position on inter-party relations?

Corbyn's Labour policies are the closest of all parties to the SNP's policies, a coalition or at least co-ordination could be workable. But the SNP would not feel the same way about an anti-Corbyn faction.

They are similar in many of their views to Corbyn's Labour, then again they were hardly miles away from Milliband's Labour. The SNP would probably feel very similar about any number of prospective Labour leaders given the choice is hardly Corbyn or Blair.

Whether they'd be credible who knows, but they're certainly not as things stand.