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Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: Under normal circumstances, when a private sector organisation fails to deliver consistently, the organisation disappears and is replaced by another. When a public sector organisation fails to deliver consistently, a few scapegoats are sacrificed and normal jogging continues.

Completely agree. I currently work in the public sector and I regularly see examples of this, with the wrong scapegoats on numerous occasions; however, I've also seen examples of outsourcing going spectacularly wrong. Horses for courses......

Doing a good job isn't always related to whether a company makes money. Just look at Serco

Don't think Serco makes money tbh- or at least miniscule margins. They are sh*t though. All the BPM companies are generally crap- bid to take over a dog and run it for less, hoping they can implement something magical to take out cost, or use contract variations to make their money.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Completely agree. I currently work in the public sector and I regularly see examples of this, with the wrong scapegoats on numerous occasions; however, I've also seen examples of outsourcing going spectacularly wrong. Horses for courses......

Doing a good job isn't always related to whether a company makes money. Just look at Serco

Don't think Serco makes money tbh- or at least miniscule margins. They are sh*t though. All the BPM companies are generally crap- bid to take over a dog and run it for less, hoping they can implement something magical to take out cost, or use contract variations to make their money.

At the level of an individual company it's actually hard (if not worthless) trying to out examples that illustrate one war or t'other. Overall capitalism sees some margin of companies fail and that allows a reassignment of labour and capital, it was a little daft to even give the example of Serco (albeit not as daft as the awarding of contracts to Serco) when as part of that bigger picture if one strips out companies failing that are piece of crap startups, now defunct market areas (not much business in the bear baiting world for instance) the number who actually fail in the market isn't that huge and probably compares with the constant redesigning of public service delivery anyway. And actually beyond startups that should never have started the likely biggest cause of failure is insufficient cash flow, and that can happen to good business that would otherwise be viable as well as bad.

We've had our political leaders encourage this type of thinking when it suited them, how they get the genie back in the bottle now I don't know.

There are a few parties that would happily take those scores as a mandate to govern

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: Completely agree. I currently work in the public sector and I regularly see examples of this, with the wrong scapegoats on numerous occasions; however, I've also seen examples of outsourcing going spectacularly wrong. Horses for courses......

Doing a good job isn't always related to whether a company makes money. Just look at Serco

Don't think Serco makes money tbh- or at least miniscule margins. They are sh*t though. All the BPM companies are generally crap- bid to take over a dog and run it for less, hoping they can implement something magical to take out cost, or use contract variations to make their money.

Amen to that. Outsourcing seems like such a good idea and then you realise that the service is total crap and you still pay a lot of money for the privilege.

Mellsblue wrote:

Thats deeply troubling, but not a surprise. The 5G issue is just nuts. But a surprising number of people believe that covid started in a Chinese lab and leaked from there.

Sandydragon wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:
Doing a good job isn't always related to whether a company makes money. Just look at Serco

Don't think Serco makes money tbh- or at least miniscule margins. They are sh*t though. All the BPM companies are generally crap- bid to take over a dog and run it for less, hoping they can implement something magical to take out cost, or use contract variations to make their money.

Amen to that. Outsourcing seems like such a good idea and then you realise that the service is total crap and you still pay a lot of money for the privilege.

Someone tell this government.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Banquo wrote: Don't think Serco makes money tbh- or at least miniscule margins. They are sh*t though. All the BPM companies are generally crap- bid to take over a dog and run it for less, hoping they can implement something magical to take out cost, or use contract variations to make their money.

Amen to that. Outsourcing seems like such a good idea and then you realise that the service is total crap and you still pay a lot of money for the privilege.

Someone tell this government.

Outsourcing is only as good as the procurer/specifier; we provide an excellent (easy fast access to unlimited free treatment with high satisfaction scores from patients) outsourced service for example (I would say that, and we are not for profit), but that's because we developed the contract with someone who knew what they were doing and who was prepared to listen when they didn't. As before, its not outsourcing bad, insourced govt/public services good.......but things like PFI have been a disaster.

Hey, you could be over here. The government has pretty much given up even pretending to be engaged in public health and is instead investing a lot of effort in disinformation, if not outright lies. They are claiming testing is not required, that the problem is contained, and not to worry about anything. Within the inner sanctum, however, a different reality is evident. They are going to hold an event at one of Dumkopf's golf clubs. For 250K you can spend an hour with fatty in person, but you must be take a Covid test prior to attending. I doubt that there are many qualified health professionals left to supervise this testing, so we can only hope for a few false-negatives and that one of these wealthy fuckheads spreads the love to fatty.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Banquo wrote: Don't think Serco makes money tbh- or at least miniscule margins. They are sh*t though. All the BPM companies are generally crap- bid to take over a dog and run it for less, hoping they can implement something magical to take out cost, or use contract variations to make their money.

Amen to that. Outsourcing seems like such a good idea and then you realise that the service is total crap and you still pay a lot of money for the privilege.

Someone tell this government.

So you agree with the govt when it decided to develop an in house track and trace app and when it didn’t use private sector labs therefore limiting testing capacity?

In defence of our government nobody has automated track and trace up and running, everyone is ambling around on this one, one can only hope they're doing so with a view to the data collation being employed by google, apple et al

Digby wrote:In defence of our government nobody has automated track and trace up and running, everyone is ambling around on this one, one can only hope they're doing so with a view to the data collation being employed by google, apple et al

Was talking about track and trace over here with a friend yesterday.

His wife had TB a few years back. They didn't track anyone she'd been in contact with, just said that those she met regularly should get tested... Note "should". Only until after, when she wanted to come off the meds, they told her they'd report her to the police if she did...

So no effort to actually do anything about it except cover backs.

Meanwhile, for Covid, there's been no widespread testing of people who have come in contact with carriers. We're lucky, it's still not spread (population density #1 factor?), but it explains the extremely high ratio of deaths to cases. Still a very low death rate compared to population, but absolutely 0 track and trace.

Stom wrote:

Digby wrote:In defence of our government nobody has automated track and trace up and running, everyone is ambling around on this one, one can only hope they're doing so with a view to the data collation being employed by google, apple et al

Was talking about track and trace over here with a friend yesterday.

His wife had TB a few years back. They didn't track anyone she'd been in contact with, just said that those she met regularly should get tested... Note "should". Only until after, when she wanted to come off the meds, they told her they'd report her to the police if she did...

So no effort to actually do anything about it except cover backs.

Meanwhile, for Covid, there's been no widespread testing of people who have come in contact with carriers. We're lucky, it's still not spread (population density #1 factor?), but it explains the extremely high ratio of deaths to cases. Still a very low death rate compared to population, but absolutely 0 track and trace.

That sounds more like manual track and trace? In which case for all we've hired a number of people we're (so far) getting a mix of poor and limited returns, not helped by the messaging being put out by our government and Agent Cummings and Goings. So on the manual track and trace we can take a more reasonable swing at Johnson, Patel, Hanock et al, I was just thinking on the automated front even those countries that went with Google/Apple from the off (or when Google/Apple said no to allowing access) don't exactly have functioning automated systems that cover their countries and might end up anyway with too limited national systems

Slow to react #34 ?
meat & greet (covid)..link shown over 1 month ago in US I recall.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... oronavirus

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-germa ... a-53883372

new outbreak in China also thought to be from imported meat/fish...

u/date (beeb): 'Another factor could be noisy machinery, which requires people to talk more loudly or shout, which can increase the spread of infected droplets.'

Distancing appeared far from safe at this event...odd times. (Djokovic now has it too).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/53148053

Trying to set himself up for life it his own tournie? Fairly self indulgent - serious doubts about the guy.....anti vaxxer

paddy no 11 wrote:Trying to set himself up for life it his own tournie? Fairly self indulgent - serious doubts about the guy.....anti vaxxer

I had no idea he was such a twat. Looks like he has transmitted the pathogen to dozens. Great success.

SO lockdown here is pretty much over, bar a few activities and business types which will probably get the nod next week. 2m is now 1m+.

Too soon? We'll find out shortly.

Waaaaay too soon.

It does feel like we haven't paused at any point to see how the reopening is going, we're just pushing on with the reopening

You guys are like Florida, without the sunshine, oranges, and gunz.

New ONS numbers up to 12 Jun are out, so as of that date we have:
Positive test UK Covid-19 deaths: 41,581
All UK Covid-19 deaths (ONS number): 53,009
So the total UK number is 27% higher than the government number.

Excess deaths compared with 5 year average to 12 Jun: 64,938
which is 56% higher than the government number.

I won't bother with extrapolating the numbers to give estimates as of today. Add 1-2k to each of the above and that won't be far off.

One of our bigger clients is a reasonably sized insurance company and they've started looking actuarily at some of the long term impacts from Covid19 just based on the limited knowledge we have now around some potential side effects. They're not making us privy to their thinking, and this is just them playing around perhaps with some worst case scenarios as a number of tests/projections. But feck me it's alarming

Now Oz on the rebound..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... rus-surge/