RugbyRebels

Cases on the rise here, particularly in the South. The Northeast is steadily dropping. NY, NJ, and CT have all imposed compulsory quarantine on any travelers from states currently on the increase. All increases are correlated with shitty, anti-science retard leadership in lock step with the head orange moron. I think it is just a matter of time until other countries ban all travel from the US for the immediate future. What other choice is there? Who would trust the US to stick to consensus standard operating procedures at ports of exit. It really is difficult to imagine a worse response to this than we are seeing in this country. I'm not going to be able to visit home for at least a year I think. That makes me sad and mad. It just didn't have to be like this. The government over the last 3 years has systematically dismantled all centralised public agencies that are designed to respond to situations like this. This was the CDCs moment, right now, and it is on it's arse, silenced, underfunded, and lacking leadership in key positions. In years past the CDC would have had people in the hot zone, wherever in the world that might be, giving expertise and resources to contain things. They did it with Ebola, SARS, and on and on. If fuckheads in the US cannot see how that helps them at home, then they are beyond any hope and should be fucking sterilised. This is just inexcusable in a wealthy industrialised nation with so such diversity of skill and talent at its disposal.

Staying alert, Controlling the virus..
all at the same time in the same place unfortunately.
Copious use of UV and alcohol to help the fight, also at play.
FFS.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-heal ... istancing/

security is in place to protect refuse crews who the council said faced "widespread abuse and intimidation" as they emptied overflowing bins

wtf is wrong with people

paddy no 11 wrote:security is in place to protect refuse crews who the council said faced "widespread abuse and intimidation" as they emptied overflowing bins

wtf is wrong with people

A question I ask myself most days at present.

paddy no 11 wrote:security is in place to protect refuse crews who the council said faced "widespread abuse and intimidation" as they emptied overflowing bins

wtf is wrong with people

Where is this? People are pretty chilled where I am (too hot for any aggro anyway).

Bournemouth

paddy no 11 wrote:Bournemouth

Gonna be a ton of sunburn to go with all the Covid-19 they're soaking up.

Poor Brits, driven mad by that unfamiliar yellow light in the sky.

paddy no 11 wrote:security is in place to protect refuse crews who the council said faced "widespread abuse and intimidation" as they emptied overflowing bins

wtf is wrong with people

So, so depressing.

Sandydragon wrote:

paddy no 11 wrote:security is in place to protect refuse crews who the council said faced "widespread abuse and intimidation" as they emptied overflowing bins

wtf is wrong with people

So, so depressing.

Bournemouth, Police attacked at (illegal) street parties, I just despair.

Banquo wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

paddy no 11 wrote:security is in place to protect refuse crews who the council said faced "widespread abuse and intimidation" as they emptied overflowing bins

wtf is wrong with people

So, so depressing.

Bournemouth, Police attacked at (illegal) street parties, I just despair.

Weeks of being locked down coupled with ACAB messaging, not a huge surprise.

But still very depressing.

Sandydragon wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: So, so depressing.

Bournemouth, Police attacked at (illegal) street parties, I just despair.

Weeks of being locked down coupled with ACAB messaging, not a huge surprise.

But still very depressing.

even more depressing that not surprising.

Banquo wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Banquo wrote: Bournemouth, Police attacked at (illegal) street parties, I just despair.

Weeks of being locked down coupled with ACAB messaging, not a huge surprise.

But still very depressing.

even more depressing that not surprising.

I am suprisingly depressed.

Mellsblue wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: Weeks of being locked down coupled with ACAB messaging, not a huge surprise.

But still very depressing.

even more depressing that not surprising.

I am suprisingly depressed.

should have been suppressed.

.Meanwhile, as numbers of cases continue to slowly decline in UK, Swe finally leap-frogs us after a similar time since 1st case reported -
(7-day avge.)
Jun 26:  uk 1066, Jun 24:  Swe 1109.

Other eye-openers..
Jun 24: iraq 1778.
Jun 25 Egy 1528, Arg 2415, Iran 2493,
 SauAr 3521, Chile 4853, SA 4926, Rus 7558.

( from ft.com )

morepork wrote:Waaaaay too soon.

It depends on what you are trying to do. You are obviously right if your aim is to eliminate the virus as quickly as possible and save as much life as possible.

If all you're aiming to do is to avoid a spike in cases then we seem to have done a frankly impressive job of keeping R just below 1 and therefore the numbers being infected manageable. Still means rather a lot of death though. If the exercise is to have the minimum lockdown consistent with avoiding exponential virus growth they are doing a magnificent job. I just think that you ought to be frank if that's what you're doing so that you can take the electoral consequences

Get back to me in two weeks

Just needs 1 bad apple - the Güterslohers now face 'lock-down light' due to one slopmeister's unscrupulousness.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... 9-outbreak..

Different to Anglostyle merry-making of course

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-53193372

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-53191406

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/2 ... udy-336452

The White House directed the National Institutes of Health to cancel funding for a project studying how coronaviruses spread from bats to people, the government's top infectious disease expert said Tuesday.

“Why was it canceled? It was canceled because the NIH was told to cancel it," said Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in response to a question during a House Energy & Commerce Hearing. "I don’t know the reason, but we were told to cancel it.”

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Which Tyler wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/2 ... udy-336452

The White House directed the National Institutes of Health to cancel funding for a project studying how coronaviruses spread from bats to people, the government's top infectious disease expert said Tuesday.

“Why was it canceled? It was canceled because the NIH was told to cancel it," said Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in response to a question during a House Energy & Commerce Hearing. "I don’t know the reason, but we were told to cancel it.”

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Because knowing how coronaviruses cross from bats to humans couldn't possibly be of benefit.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/2 ... udy-336452

The White House directed the National Institutes of Health to cancel funding for a project studying how coronaviruses spread from bats to people, the government's top infectious disease expert said Tuesday.

“Why was it canceled? It was canceled because the NIH was told to cancel it," said Anthony Fauci, director of the NIH's National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in response to a question during a House Energy & Commerce Hearing. "I don’t know the reason, but we were told to cancel it.”

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Because knowing how coronaviruses cross from bats to humans couldn't possibly be of benefit.

To be "fair" the Whitehouse is trying to build the narrative that it didn't cross from bats, but from a lab. They kinda have to defund anything that might produce evidence to the contrary.

Well, normally; "evidence to the contrary" has never stopped Trump before.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:New ONS numbers up to 12 Jun are out, so as of that date we have:
Positive test UK Covid-19 deaths: 41,581
All UK Covid-19 deaths (ONS number): 53,009
So the total UK number is 27% higher than the government number.

Excess deaths compared with 5 year average to 12 Jun: 64,938
which is 56% higher than the government number.

I won't bother with extrapolating the numbers to give estimates as of today. Add 1-2k to each of the above and that won't be far off.

Sorry, I've been tracking these as well, and looking at them properly today for the first time in a little while.
Could I ask your source please? What I've got slightly disagrees with yours; mine are from: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 12june2020

I get:
All UK Covid-19 deaths (ONS number): 48,218
Excess deaths compared with 5 year average to 12 Jun: 45,363

ETA: Of course, yours are probably UK, mine are just England and Wales - dammit!
I'd still like your source for those figures, so that I can do mine for the whole of the UK, not just E&W - thank you


Incidentally, the reason I was having a look was to compare Covid to the other big killers in the UK, sourced from here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... sofdeathuk

Leading causes of death; 5-year average (2014-2018) for England & Wales (all genders, all ages):
62,633 - Dementia and Alzheimer disease (F01,F03,G30)
58,360 - Ischaemic heart diseases (I20-I25)
32,858 - Cerebrovascular diseases (I60-I69)
31,310 - Chronic lower respiratory diseases (J40-J47)
30,294 - Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung (C33-C34)
27,955 - Influenza and pneumonia (J09-J18)
1 Quarter of 2020 (March 14th to June 12th)
48,213 - COVID-19 (U07.1 and U07.2)
11,111 - Other Excess Deaths compared to 5-year average

Which Tyler wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:New ONS numbers up to 12 Jun are out, so as of that date we have:
Positive test UK Covid-19 deaths: 41,581
All UK Covid-19 deaths (ONS number): 53,009
So the total UK number is 27% higher than the government number.

Excess deaths compared with 5 year average to 12 Jun: 64,938
which is 56% higher than the government number.

I won't bother with extrapolating the numbers to give estimates as of today. Add 1-2k to each of the above and that won't be far off.

Sorry, I've been tracking these as well, and looking at them properly today for the first time in a little while.
Could I ask your source please? What I've got slightly disagrees with yours; mine are from: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 12june2020

I get:
All UK Covid-19 deaths (ONS number): 48,218
Excess deaths compared with 5 year average to 12 Jun: 45,363

ETA: Of course, yours are probably UK, mine are just England and Wales - dammit!
I'd still like your source for those figures, so that I can do mine for the whole of the UK, not just E&W - thank you


Incidentally, the reason I was having a look was to compare Covid to the other big killers in the UK, sourced from here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... sofdeathuk

Leading causes of death; 5-year average (2014-2018) for England & Wales (all genders, all ages):
62,633 - Dementia and Alzheimer disease (F01,F03,G30)
58,360 - Ischaemic heart diseases (I20-I25)
32,858 - Cerebrovascular diseases (I60-I69)
31,310 - Chronic lower respiratory diseases (J40-J47)
30,294 - Malignant neoplasm of trachea, bronchus and lung (C33-C34)
27,955 - Influenza and pneumonia (J09-J18)
1 Quarter of 2020 (March 14th to June 12th)
48,213 - COVID-19 (U07.1 and U07.2)
11,111 - Other Excess Deaths compared to 5-year average

No problem. My figures combine England+Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. So they're really "ONS plus Scotland plus NI". The sources are:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... ndandwales
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/covid19stats
https://www.nisra.gov.uk/publications/weekly-deaths

I start 2020 vs previous 5-year average in the first week a covid-19 death occurred in the UK, which is the week ending 13 March in the Eng+Wal and NI figures and the week beginning 9 March on the Scot figures. (I appreciate that the Scottish week ends on a Sunday, the others on a Friday, so the overall UK weekly total isn't exactly right, but that's the data we have.) So that's 14 weeks up to 12 June.

Could be posted on any of about 5 freds...where have they been ?? ...

Whilst I generally don't like using cases because it's such a function of the testing regime I understand that the increase is disproportionate to the increases in testing. They're fucked. Fascinating that some of the states in three North East are trying to quarantine visitors from other states.

Galfon wrote:Could be posted on any of about 5 freds...where have they been ?? ...

Also (on a bit of a tangent), that's Texas in late June.

Suggests that Covid-19 isn't particularly interested in being a seasonal thing.

(although its impact in Iran, India, Brazil and Mexico are also pretty strong pointers in this direction.)