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Galfon wrote:Two updates from one US state, baffling in a number of ways.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53382540

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53371336

Never been there so don't know if it's the land of make believe or not - scary numbers.

It's out of control. The country has lost it's grip on any sort of strategy that would contain things. Open Disneyland. Yeah, fucking ideal. Good job. This will go on for a couple of years, at least. Fucking idiots. I'm beyond pissed off.

Galfon wrote:Two updates from one US state, baffling in a number of ways.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53382540

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53371336

Never been there so don't know if it's the land of make believe or not - scary numbers.

Disney staying on brand by ensuring the deaths of parents.

Puja

Fuck these cunts. Fuck them. A virus is the simplest organism known to biology. It lives at the pleasure of its host and dies when denied that host. It is that fucking simple. If you cant grasp that, then just fuck off. I'm sick of this shit.

Putting the twits in, as I can't get the link to work - apparently it's too busy for its server

Sandydragon wrote:Depressingly, my LinkedIn feed has a thread about an unnamed source at a major hospital in Surrey who disputes that there has been a pandemic at all. Apparently the source has been quieter than normal.

Followed by post after post about how it’s all a conspiracy etc. Equally worrying is that some of those posting look to have fairly responsible jobs.

With this level of stupidity heaven help us all.

I've only been fortunate enough to meet one full-on "COVID isn't real- it simply isn't happening" person so far. He didn't have a very satisfying answer as to why so many doctors and nurses are taking part in this 'hoax', aside from that I shouldn't believe everything I read. True enough, but I'm not sure it backed up his point. This was a few weeks back but he did cite Sweden as the country who have dealt with this well and shown it up for the joke it is.

It's easy to manipulate figures and spread certain information to spin an event any which way you want, but it's the testimony from people in the healthcare industry that I always hope will turn these people around. I read an article about Dr. Lorna Breen and the lead up to her suicide earlier, I can't imagine reading something like that and still thinking this pandemic is just an invention of the media, but maybe I've been brainwashed.

The US government is at the moment engaging in an active smear campaign against public health figures within it's own administration in an attempt to apportion blame for the current sorry state of affairs. Totally FUBAR.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53397617
So... from the 24th of July (but not earlier, because... reasons) we'll have to wear a mask, in order to spend 20 minutes in a large, but confined space, to buy a pie to eat at home.
From 31st of July, we'll be paid £10 to NOT wear a mask, in order to spend 2 hours in a small, but confined space, and buy a pie to eat there.


But it's all the public's fault for being confused and not using their common sense in this uncommon scenario. The government cannot possibly take any responsibility for the public's confusion, and inability to follow the clear, consistent advice their government has given...


ETA:


#Gove: "We don't need to make masks compulsory"
#Johnson: "We need to make masks compulsory"
#Everybody: "Which one of these statements is incorrect?" [i.e. a lie]
Gove: "..."

Hang on, what's this about getting paid to eat pies? I feel like finally my chance to shine has come, I'm even willing to watch Man Vs Food again long after I found it interesting to get in the right frame of mind for competitive eating

People can shop with a mask over their mouth therefore allowing the shop to stay open and pay their staff.
People can’t eat whilst wearing a mask over their mouth therefore not allowing the pub/restaurant to stay open and pay their staff.
Seems pretty logical to me.

Govt comms on this have been terrible. No argument there.

Mellsblue wrote:People can shop with a mask over their mouth therefore allowing the shop to stay open and pay their staff.
People can’t eat whilst wearing a mask over their mouth therefore not allowing the pub/restaurant to stay open and pay their staff.
Seems pretty logical to me.

Govt comms on this have been terrible. No argument there.

Yup. Logical, but really shows a stunning lack of forethought/care in making a fuss about reopening pubs if this was just around the corner.

And why on earth do they keep throwing things like this out there? "It is about managing the overall risk," he added. "Any type of covering will be sufficient for this purpose." It feels like the only possible purpose of a statement like that is to create confusion and controversy over what people deem to be a suitable means of covering their faces.

It’s already clear from taking a quick look outside that people are still not even understanding/bothering to cover their noses when they wear a mask. You create a rule and then immediately make a statement undermining any possible attempt to enforce it.

I can’t see any third option here other than stupidity or negligence.

Digby wrote:Hang on, what's this about getting paid to eat pies? I feel like finally my chance to shine has come, I'm even willing to watch Man Vs Food again long after I found it interesting to get in the right frame of mind for competitive eating

Sorry, 3rd August, not 31st July; I also thought it had been discussed in here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrc-invites-hospitality-industry-to-register-for-eat-out-to-help-out wrote:"Restaurants, bars, cafes and other establishments who use the scheme will offer a 50% reduction, up to a maximum of £10 per person, to all diners who eat and/or drink-in throughout August.

Customers do not need a voucher as participating establishments will just remove the discount from their bill. Businesses simply reclaim the discounted amount through an online service, supported by HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC). Claims can be made on a weekly basis and will be paid into bank accounts within five working days.

The scheme is open to eligible establishments across the UK and can be used all day, every Monday to Wednesday, between 3 and 31 August 2020."

https://www.boredpanda.com/1-percent-mo ... klin-veaux

Someone Asks How “A Disease With 1% Mortality” Could Shut Down The US, Gets An In-Depth Explanation

Linking the article, not the original, because the article corrects some mistakes made in the original

Anti-mask activists. These people are too fucking stupid to insult. All educated through social media. Well done 'murrica, well done. Am I ever going to be able to visit home again? Fuck.

New ONS numbers up to 3 Jul are out, so as of that date we have:
Positive test UK Covid-19 deaths: 44,131
All UK Covid-19 deaths (ONS number): 55,071
So the total UK number is 25% higher than the government number.

Excess deaths compared with 5 year average to 3 Jul: 64,535
which is 46% higher than the government number.

morepork wrote:Anti-mask activists. These people are too fucking stupid to insult. All educated through social media. Well done 'murrica, well done. Am I ever going to be able to visit home again? Fuck.

Not just in the states. My LinkedIn feed is full or people liking reports which show that masks don’t work, the great panic is just hype etc etc. I’m having a cull of my connections. Life’s too short.

morepork wrote:The US government is at the moment engaging in an active smear campaign against public health figures within it's own administration in an attempt to apportion blame for the current sorry state of affairs. Totally FUBAR.

14-7-20

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/worl ... pdate.html



"The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and, beginning on Wednesday, send all coronavirus patient information to a central database in Washington — a move that has alarmed public health experts who fear the data will be distorted for political gain.

The new instructions are contained in a little-noticed document posted this week on the Department of Health and Human Services’ website, Sheryl Gay Stolberg reports. From now on, H.H.S., and not the C.D.C., will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, how many beds and ventilators are available, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.

Officials said the change should help ease data gathering and assist the White House coronavirus task force in allocating scarce supplies like personal protective gear and the drug remdesivir.

Hospital officials want to streamline reporting, saying it will relieve them from responding to requests from multiple federal agencies, though some say the C.D.C. — an agency that prizes its scientific independence — should be in charge of gathering the information.

“The C.D.C. is the right agency to be at the forefront of collecting the data,” said Dr. Bala Hota, the chief analytics officer at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago.

Public health experts have long expressed concern that the administration is politicizing science and undermining the disease control centers; four former C.D.C. directors, spanning both Republican and Democratic administrations, said as much in an opinion piece published Tuesday in The Washington Post. The data collection shift reinforced those fears.

“Centralizing control of all data under the umbrella of an inherently political apparatus is dangerous and breeds distrust,” said Nicole Lurie, who served as assistant secretary for preparedness and response under former President Barack Obama. “It appears to cut off the ability of agencies like C.D.C. to do its basic job.”

The shift grew out of a tense conference call several weeks ago between hospital executives and Dr. Deborah L. Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator.

After Dr. Birx complained that hospitals were not adequately reporting their data, she convened a working group of government and hospital officials who devised the new plan, according to Janis Orlowski, chief health care officer of the Association of American Medical Colleges, who participated.

But news of the change came as a shock inside the C.D.C., which has long been responsible for gathering public health data, according to two officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it. A spokesman for the disease control centers referred questions to the Department of Health and Human Services, which has not responded to a request for comment.

The dispute exposes the vast gaps in the government’s ability to collect and manage health data — an antiquated system at best, experts say. "


Totally broken, totally fucked.

morepork wrote:Anti-mask activists. These people are too fucking stupid to insult. All educated through social media. Well done 'murrica, well done. Am I ever going to be able to visit home again? Fuck.

Haha. Jesus.

I guess this is the inevitable reaction from the "personal responsibility" crowd. If you never, ever under any circumstances acknowledge that your actions may affect other people, then you can't be to blame for anything.

You'd sort of respect them more if they just came out and said 'Look, I get that I may be asymptomatic and passing this thing on to thousands of other people, many of whom will die, but until it hits me directly I simply don't give a shit.'

yup cloaking it in personal freedom is nonsense what they really mean is i'm too thick/lazy to be bothered with this

Why is having to wear clothing not an affront to liberty?

Digby wrote:Why is having to wear clothing not an affront to liberty?

I doubt liberty is their main motive

Affront is a strong word in this instance

Oxford/AstraZen vacc. trial going to plan - Phase I results awaiting publication.( appears safe )

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 21691.html

Moderna (US) due to start phase II this month and early results promising..
Looks like both may be available after autumn/winter, so it's hold on to yer hats for now. This winter could be Fred Karno's.

Galfon wrote:Oxford/AstraZen vacc. trial going to plan - Phase I results awaiting publication.( appears safe )

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 21691.html

Moderna (US) due to start phase II this month and early results promising..
Looks like both may be available after autumn/winter, so it's hold on to yer hats for now. This winter could be Fred Karno's.

Hopefully it works, going to be a rough winter with seasonal flu and covid

paddy no 11 wrote:

Galfon wrote:Oxford/AstraZen vacc. trial going to plan - Phase I results awaiting publication.( appears safe )

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 21691.html

Moderna (US) due to start phase II this month and early results promising..
Looks like both may be available after autumn/winter, so it's hold on to yer hats for now. This winter could be Fred Karno's.

Hopefully it works, going to be a rough winter with seasonal flu and covid

IF people get stuck into the hand washing and distancing and the hospitals continue with hugely improved infection control, then seasonal flu could well be a lot less than we've become used to. They won't though.