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Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:30 am
by Wimmy
I'd go with
1. Dickinson 2. McInally 3. Nel 4. Gray 5. Gray 6. Strauss 7. Hardie 8. Denton
9. SHC 10. Russell 11. Visser 12. Taylor 13. Bennett 14. Seymour (Lamont) 15. Hogg (Jackson)
16. Ford 17. Reid 18. Low 19. Toolis 20. Barclay 21. Laidlaw 22. Scott 23. Maitland (Horne)
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 11:52 am
by hp18
22 Feb Scotland RBS 6 Nations squad update
Scotland Head Coach Vern Cotter has made five changes to the Scotland squad for the 2016 RBS 6 Nations.
Glasgow Warriors trio Grayson Hart (scrum-half), Rob Harley and Ryan Wilson (back-row), join Edinburgh Rugby’s uncapped hooker George Turner and back-row Hamish Watson in camp at BT Murrayfield today (Monday), ahead of this Saturday’s match against Italy in Rome (27 February).
The quintet replaces prop Alex Allan, back-row Chris Fusaro (both head knocks) and hooker Pat MacArthur (thigh / groin) from Glasgow Warriors, and London Irish pair Blair Cowan (concussion) and Sean Maitland (thigh).
All of the players will continue their recovery with their respective clubs.
The Scotland squad has also been boosted by the availability of Harlequins wing Tim Visser and Glasgow Warriors centre Peter Horne – named in the original squad – who have completed their recovery from their respective hamstring and foot injuries to take full part in training this week.
SCOTLAND SQUAD FOR 2016 RBS 6 NATIONS ROUND 3
FORWARDS:
Hooker: Ross Ford, Stuart McInally, George Turner (all Edinburgh Rugby)
Front-row: Alasdair Dickinson (Edinburgh Rugby), Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors), Moray Low (Exeter Chiefs), Willem Nel (Edinburgh Rugby), Gordon Reid (Glasgow Warriors), Rory Sutherland (Edinburgh Rugby)
Lock: Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriros), Richie Gray (Castres), Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors), Ben Toolis (Edinburgh Rugby)
Back–row: John Barclay (Scarlets), David Denton (Bath), John Hardie (Edinburgh Rugby), Rob Harley, Josh Strauss, Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors), Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby)
BACKS:
Scrum–half: Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Edinburgh Rugby), Grayson Hart (Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Gloucester)
Stand–off: Finn Russell, Duncan Weir (both Glasgow Warriors)
Centre: Mark Bennett, Peter Horne (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby), Duncan Taylor (Saracens)
Wing: Sean Lamont, Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Tim Visser (Harlequins)
Full-back: Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors), Ruaridh Jackson (Wasps)
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:15 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
What the flying f*ck? Grayson Hart? He's being kept out of the club team by Ali Price.
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:05 am
by switchskier
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:What the flying f*ck? Grayson Hart? He's being kept out of the club team by Ali Price.
Not the first time that Vern has disagreed with the club coaches (Blake) but hopefully he just thinks it's more helpful for Price to get 80 minutes this week for Glasgow.
No Maitland is a blow but good to see Visser back. Interesting to see Jackson actually listed as a full-back. WIthout Maitland in the squad we're pretty much forced to select him on the bench.
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:33 am
by Chunks Baws
switchskier wrote:hugh_woatmeigh wrote:What the flying f*ck? Grayson Hart? He's being kept out of the club team by Ali Price.
Not the first time that Vern has disagreed with the club coaches (Blake) but hopefully he just thinks it's more helpful for Price to get 80 minutes this week for Glasgow.
No Maitland is a blow but good to see Visser back. Interesting to see Jackson actually listed as a full-back. WIthout Maitland in the squad we're pretty much forced to select him on the bench.
I forgot about Blake, how's he getting on?
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:15 am
by OptimisticJock
switchskier wrote:hugh_woatmeigh wrote:What the flying f*ck? Grayson Hart? He's being kept out of the club team by Ali Price.
Not the first time that Vern has disagreed with the club coaches (Blake) but hopefully he just thinks it's more helpful for Price to get 80 minutes this week for Glasgow.
No Maitland is a blow but good to see Visser back. Interesting to see Jackson actually listed as a full-back. WIthout Maitland in the squad we're pretty much forced to select him on the bench.
He was selected in the initial squad as a full back too. Wouldn't mind seeing Horne and Scott/Taylor on the bench
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:44 pm
by Wylie Coyote
switchskier wrote:hugh_woatmeigh wrote:What the flying f*ck? Grayson Hart? He's being kept out of the club team by Ali Price.
Not the first time that Vern has disagreed with the club coaches (Blake) but hopefully he just thinks it's more helpful for Price to get 80 minutes this week for Glasgow.
No Maitland is a blow but good to see Visser back. Interesting to see Jackson actually listed as a full-back. WIthout Maitland in the squad we're pretty much forced to select him on the bench.
If Jackson is on the Bench then there is no need for Weir. We don't need two fly-halves on the bench with another 1.5 on the field.
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 1:47 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
Wylie Coyote wrote:switchskier wrote:hugh_woatmeigh wrote:What the flying f*ck? Grayson Hart? He's being kept out of the club team by Ali Price.
Not the first time that Vern has disagreed with the club coaches (Blake) but hopefully he just thinks it's more helpful for Price to get 80 minutes this week for Glasgow.
No Maitland is a blow but good to see Visser back. Interesting to see Jackson actually listed as a full-back. WIthout Maitland in the squad we're pretty much forced to select him on the bench.
If Jackson is on the Bench then there is no need for Weir. We don't need two fly-halves on the bench with another 1.5 on the field.
Completely agree. VC's bench selections have been absolutely shocking this 6N.
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:53 pm
by Renniks
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Wylie Coyote wrote:switchskier wrote:
Not the first time that Vern has disagreed with the club coaches (Blake) but hopefully he just thinks it's more helpful for Price to get 80 minutes this week for Glasgow.
No Maitland is a blow but good to see Visser back. Interesting to see Jackson actually listed as a full-back. WIthout Maitland in the squad we're pretty much forced to select him on the bench.
If Jackson is on the Bench then there is no need for Weir. We don't need two fly-halves on the bench with another 1.5 on the field.
Completely agree. VC's bench selections have been absolutely shocking this 6N.
You don't get to moan about bench selections… we have Goode.
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 4:22 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
Renniks wrote:hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Wylie Coyote wrote:
If Jackson is on the Bench then there is no need for Weir. We don't need two fly-halves on the bench with another 1.5 on the field.
Completely agree. VC's bench selections have been absolutely shocking this 6N.
You don't get to moan about bench selections… we have Goode.
You have two wins...
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:11 pm
by Big D
I guess we will find out more tomorrow when the Glasgow team is announced.
But I do think the 23 almost picks itself (in no order except that order they come to mind):
Hooker: Ford, Rambo
Props: Nel, Dicko, ,Fagerson, Sutherland/Reid (Not sure what Sutherland has done, or Reid hasn't done for VC to decide Sutherland is ahead).
Grayx2, Toolis (Although VC likes Swinson)
Hardie, Denton, Barclay, Strauss
SH-C, Laidlaw - one off form and the other poor.
Russell, Jackson
Scott, Taylor, Bennett
Hogg, Seymour, Visser
I think Jackson deserves his spot over Weir/Horne.
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 6:52 pm
by Renniks
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Renniks wrote:hugh_woatmeigh wrote:
Completely agree. VC's bench selections have been absolutely shocking this 6N.
You don't get to moan about bench selections… we have Goode.
You have two wins...
*Doesn't submit wind-up messages*
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:55 pm
by Croft_No.5
Hoping for
Hogg
Seymour
Bennett
Scott
Visser
Russell
Laidlaw
Strauss
Hardie
Barclay
Gray
Gray
Nel
Ford
Dickinson
McInally
Reid
Fagarson
Denton
Watson
SHC
Jackson
Horne
Might leave us short on wings but SHC can cover if needed. Want to see a last 30 minutes full of attacking intent
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:05 pm
by ARM
Croft_No.5 wrote:Hoping for
Hogg
Seymour
Bennett
Scott
Visser
Russell
Laidlaw
Strauss
Hardie
Barclay
Gray
Gray
Nel
Ford
Dickinson
McInally
Reid
Fagarson
Denton
Watson
SHC
Jackson
Horne
Might leave us short on wings but SHC can cover if needed. Want to see a last 30 minutes full of attacking intent
Wouldn't pick Scott as he's still living on performances of a couple of years ago. His distribution still isn't good enough. Taylor/Bennett or might even go Horne/Taylor.
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:00 pm
by Chunks Baws
Croft_No.5 wrote:Hoping for
Hogg
Seymour
Bennett
Scott
Visser
Russell
Laidlaw
Strauss
Hardie
Barclay
Gray
Gray
Nel
Ford
Dickinson
McInally
Reid
Fagarson
Denton
Watson
SHC
Jackson
Horne
Might leave us short on wings but SHC can cover if needed. Want to see a last 30 minutes full of attacking intent
You'd drop Taylor completely?
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:16 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
Chunks Baws wrote:Croft_No.5 wrote:Hoping for
Hogg
Seymour
Bennett
Scott
Visser
Russell
Laidlaw
Strauss
Hardie
Barclay
Gray
Gray
Nel
Ford
Dickinson
McInally
Reid
Fagarson
Denton
Watson
SHC
Jackson
Horne
Might leave us short on wings but SHC can cover if needed. Want to see a last 30 minutes full of attacking intent
You'd drop Taylor completely?
Indeed. We haven't won a 6N game in two years, we are not in a position where we can drop players who actually had a good performance. Taylor starts or is in the 23 shirt at the very least.
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:41 pm
by switchskier
I favour getting our best players on the pitch in one way or another with impact from the bench. So for me:
11 - Seymour
12 - Scott
13 - Bennett
14 - Taylor
15 - Hogg
22 - Jackson
23 - Visser
I'm a big fan of Horne but can't fit him in. If Maitland was fit then Horne might take Jackson's spot on the bench.
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:13 pm
by Banquo
switchskier wrote:I favour getting our best players on the pitch in one way or another with impact from the bench. So for me:
11 - Seymour
12 - Scott
13 - Bennett
14 - Taylor
15 - Hogg
22 - Jackson
23 - Visser
I'm a big fan of Horne but can't fit him in. If Maitland was fit then Horne might take Jackson's spot on the bench.
surely you can shoe Horne in
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 10:12 am
by Croft_No.5
Heehaawed a fair bit about Taylor. Wanted to fit him in but also wanted Horne there too. Would be unhappy with Taylor at 12 instead of Scott. Even though we have lost a few midfielders still causing debate.
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:31 am
by hp18
. Head Coach Vern Cotter has refined his Scotland squad ahead of this Saturday’s RBS 6 Nations match against Italy in Rome, with the return of six players to Glasgow Warriors.
Props Gordon Reid and Zander Fagerson, back-row forwards Rob Harley and Josh Strauss, and half backs Grayson Hart and Duncan Weir, all returned to club training today, ahead of tomorrow night’s (Thursday) Guinness PRO12 game against Dragons in Newport.
Cotter will select and announce a final 23-man team to travel to Rome tomorrow morning (Thursday).
>> Match preview
EXTENDED SCOTLAND SQUAD FOR 2016 RBS 6 NATIONS: ROUND 3
FORWARDS (16):
John Barclay (Scarlets), David Denton (Bath Rugby), Alasdair Dickinson, Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby), Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors), Richie Gray (Castres), John Hardie (Edinburgh Rugby), Moray Low (Exeter Chiefs), Stuart McInally, Willem Nel, George Turner, Rory Sutherland (Edinburgh Rugby) Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors), Ben Toolis (Edinburgh Rugby), Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors), Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby).
BACKS (12):
Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors), Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Edinburgh Rugby), Stuart Hogg, Peter Horne (Glasgow Warriors) Ruaridh Jackson (Wasps), Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Gloucester), Sean Lamont, Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Taylor (Saracens), Tim Visser (Harlequins).
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 11:52 am
by Chunks Baws
hp18 wrote:. Head Coach Vern Cotter has refined his Scotland squad ahead of this Saturday’s RBS 6 Nations match against Italy in Rome, with the return of six players to Glasgow Warriors.
Props Gordon Reid and Zander Fagerson, back-row forwards Rob Harley and Josh Strauss, and half backs Grayson Hart and Duncan Weir, all returned to club training today, ahead of tomorrow night’s (Thursday) Guinness PRO12 game against Dragons in Newport.
Cotter will select and announce a final 23-man team to travel to Rome tomorrow morning (Thursday).
>> Match preview
EXTENDED SCOTLAND SQUAD FOR 2016 RBS 6 NATIONS: ROUND 3
FORWARDS (16):
John Barclay (Scarlets), David Denton (Bath Rugby), Alasdair Dickinson, Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby), Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors), Richie Gray (Castres), John Hardie (Edinburgh Rugby), Moray Low (Exeter Chiefs), Stuart McInally, Willem Nel, George Turner, Rory Sutherland (Edinburgh Rugby) Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors), Ben Toolis (Edinburgh Rugby), Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors), Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby).
BACKS (12):
Mark Bennett (Glasgow Warriors), Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (Edinburgh Rugby), Stuart Hogg, Peter Horne (Glasgow Warriors) Ruaridh Jackson (Wasps), Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Gloucester), Sean Lamont, Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Taylor (Saracens), Tim Visser (Harlequins).
Just saw that Weir, Harley and Strauss are all starting for Glasgow tomorrow night. Looks like Stern Vern favours Wilson over Strauss just now and Rhubarb/ Horne over Weir. Fagerson is on the bench too, so he's going with Low on Saturday.
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:23 pm
by Wimmy
I think dropping Taylor for Scott would be a mistake. SHC - Jackson - Scott on the bench would be decent cover with SHC/Bennett/Hogg also covering wing.
The Italians will fancy their chances but I'm really hoping that this team can finally finish off a game and look to beating at least one of Fra/Ire before the tournament is done.
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:35 pm
by Cameo
I think we need to hold our nerve and not change much. I still believe a couple of wins would make a huge difference to this group. I think we all agree bar a few positions.
I'd bring Visser in on the wing if he is fit and probs leave Taylor although I am more of a Scott fan.
The one rash change I might make is to start McInally. I know that it would not really be on form or particularly deserved but I think he has the potential to offer something different for us.
Other than that I would stick with what we had and tell them to go out and attack
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:10 am
by Matt Ha
Team's out. Only change to starting XV is Visser. Subs are 16 McInally17 Sutherland (uncapped) 18 Low 19 Swinson 20 Wilson 21 Hidalgo-Clyne 22 Horne 23 Lamont
Re: Changes v Italy
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:12 am
by hugh_woatmeigh
Terrible bench selection as usual. I cannot believe Jackson has been dropped entirely. It's just baffling. How have we gone from having too much cover at 10 to none at all.