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Vengeful Glutton wrote:Any reason why the seppos have been chosen?



Have a read about what the Japs did in Nanking, the Russians in Chechnya, the holodomor, the Egyptians in Yemen etc. etc.

Why limit it to the septics?!

Yes.

As my posts explained I watch quite a bit of US telly and there's almost endless examples where they portray Russia, NK, ME states as the enemy, for entertainment and possibly propaganda purposes. I started the thread as I was wondering whether those states made TV shows and films where the US was the enemy or habitual bad guy.

I'm aware of some of the instances you noted. The US has a long history of killing people and invading countries etc, etc, hence the question how they are perceived in arts and entertainment by some of those on the receiving end.

WaspInWales wrote:

Vengeful Glutton wrote:Any reason why the seppos have been chosen?



Have a read about what the Japs did in Nanking, the Russians in Chechnya, the holodomor, the Egyptians in Yemen etc. etc.

Why limit it to the septics?!

Yes.

As my posts explained I watch quite a bit of US telly and there's almost endless examples where they portray Russia, NK, ME states as the enemy, for entertainment and possibly propaganda purposes. I started the thread as I was wondering whether those states made TV shows and films where the US was the enemy or habitual bad guy.

I'm aware of some of the instances you noted. The US has a long history of killing people and invading countries etc, etc, hence the question how they are perceived in arts and entertainment by some of those on the receiving end.

What an odd fellow you are. You watch US tv shows and you're surprised that their world view is through a red, white, blue, starry lens?

You're in the UK right? In terms of death, destruction and sweet heart deals with dodgy dictators, your country is almost as bad as the US. Some of the most well crafted torture chambers were sold to ME countries by you boyos. That and training on "special techniques".

You're in here whining about America?

My own brethren received a donation from the Choctaw Injun during Gorta Mor. About the same time, Micker immergants were assisting in the destruction of native Americans.

Is that irony?

Vengeful Glutton wrote:What an odd fellow you are. You watch US tv shows and you're surprised that their world view is through a red, white, blue, starry lens?

You're in the UK right? In terms of death, destruction and sweet heart deals with dodgy dictators, your country is almost as bad as the US. Some of the most well crafted torture chambers were sold to ME countries by you boyos. That and training on "special techniques".

You're in here whining about America?

My own brethren received a donation from the Choctaw Injun during Gorta Mor. About the same time, Micker immergants were assisting in the destruction of native Americans.

Is that irony?

What the fuck are you on about?

I'm neither surprised about the US portraying Russia, NK et al as the villains and neither am I whining about America. You may be confusing my opposition to Trump (in another thread) as opposition to the country but you're wrong.

I created this thread as I was curious about how the US is portrayed in movies and TV shows in countries which are usually on the receiving end of US negativity. It's really that simple.

I don't watch Russian, North Korean and/or Middle Eastern telly so thought that creating a thread to ask the question to others who may be familiar with tv in those countries could answer.

Again, it's really that simple so there's no need to for you to offer opinions on things that were not asked, but thanks anyway.

I don't watch Russian, North Korean and/or Middle Eastern telly so thought that creating a thread to ask the question to others who may be familiar with tv in those countries could answer.

2/3 in my case, but I didn't give the required answer, apparently . . .

rowan wrote:I don't watch Russian, North Korean and/or Middle Eastern telly so thought that creating a thread to ask the question to others who may be familiar with tv in those countries could answer.

2/3 in my case, but I didn't give the required answer, apparently . . .

There's no required answer. According to you anti-US propaganda doesn't exist. I find that hard to believe considering the general feeling towards the US. Americans have anti-Russia/NK,ME news, media, TV and films shoved down their throats on a daily basis so it's no surprise some have the opinions they do of those countries and the people from there.

I imagine Russian etc TV and films probably don't come close to the budgets of the US industry, but surely the messages will be similar.

It's human nature after all.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-37176313

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ching.html

WaspInWales wrote:

rowan wrote:I don't watch Russian, North Korean and/or Middle Eastern telly so thought that creating a thread to ask the question to others who may be familiar with tv in those countries could answer.

2/3 in my case, but I didn't give the required answer, apparently . . .

There's no required answer. According to you anti-US propaganda doesn't exist. I find that hard to believe considering the general feeling towards the US. Americans have anti-Russia/NK,ME news, media, TV and films shoved down their throats on a daily basis so it's no surprise some have the opinions they do of those countries and the people from there.

I imagine Russian etc TV and films probably don't come close to the budgets of the US industry, but surely the messages will be similar.

It's human nature after all.

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So not the required answer then...

rowan wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:

rowan wrote:I don't watch Russian, North Korean and/or Middle Eastern telly so thought that creating a thread to ask the question to others who may be familiar with tv in those countries could answer.

2/3 in my case, but I didn't give the required answer, apparently . . .

There's no required answer. According to you anti-US propaganda doesn't exist. I find that hard to believe considering the general feeling towards the US. Americans have anti-Russia/NK,ME news, media, TV and films shoved down their throats on a daily basis so it's no surprise some have the opinions they do of those countries and the people from there.

I imagine Russian etc TV and films probably don't come close to the budgets of the US industry, but surely the messages will be similar.

It's human nature after all.

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So not the required answer then...

No, it was just the usual bullshit

WiW gets bitten trying ti feed the dogs.

What cunty little dogs.

WaspInWales wrote:

rowan wrote:

WaspInWales wrote: There's no required answer. According to you anti-US propaganda doesn't exist. I find that hard to believe considering the general feeling towards the US. Americans have anti-Russia/NK,ME news, media, TV and films shoved down their throats on a daily basis so it's no surprise some have the opinions they do of those countries and the people from there.

I imagine Russian etc TV and films probably don't come close to the budgets of the US industry, but surely the messages will be similar.

It's human nature after all.

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So not the required answer then...

No, it was just the usual bullshit

Which means, precisely, that it was not the required answer.

What you wanted me to say was, "Why, yes, Waspy ol' chum, Middle Eastern & Russian media is full of anti-American propaganda, so much hatred and racism, because they're making wars and killing lots of people and need to provide a smokescreen!!" - & only in this way will you be able to feel less horrified by what the US and its cronies are doing around the world.

For one thing, my 12 years' experience in the Middle East has been almost entirely in Turkey. I have actually worked for the newspapers on two occasions here, I read them in both English & Turkish, and I watch TV news in Turkish for several hours every day (it' a hobby). & I have never encountered any anti-American propaganda here. In fact, it's more or less the complete opposite, because so much of the international news we get here is provided directly by the US (or EU). Reember that Turkey is in NATO, of course. Meanwhile, many American TV shows are screened here, while there are probably as many Hollywood films showing in the local cinemas as there are Turkish.

In my more limited experience of other Middle Eastern countries news (I have linked up to several English language publications via Facebook to keep an eye on them), I can't say that I've seen any anti-American propaganda - though Al Jazeera is clearly biased on the Syrian war, as it is the state-funded mouthpiece of Qatar - a major protagonist of the conflict.

As for Russia, I only lived there for a few months, and I don't know the language, but again I had a couple of English language Russian news-sites linked to my Facebook page, and haven't noticed anything in the way of mindless anti-American propaganda. I cut RT loose simply because I thought some of their stories were ridiculous, but it had nothing to do with the US.

No, old bean, it means that it was just the usual bullshit that you're so keen on delivering.

Yet again, you've invented answers to questions which were not asked and you've then presupposed what someone else wanted to hear and yet again got that wrong too.

I've since found plenty of information that has answered my question, so once again, thanks for the pointless multitude of words highlighting your self-proclaimed position on authority on all things. The reality is you're fucking clueless.

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So, whittling away all the silly and unnecessary comments, what you are really saying is it was not the required answer . . .

rowan wrote:So, whittling away all the silly and unnecessary comments, what you are really saying is it was not the required answer . . .

Silly and unnecessary comments such as:

Why, yes, Waspy ol' chum, Middle Eastern & Russian media is full of anti-American propaganda, so much hatred and racism, because they're making wars and killing lots of people and need to provide a smokescreen!!" - & only in this way will you be able to feel less horrified by what the US and its cronies are doing around the world

I asked a simple question as it was something I was curious about. All I was looking for in return was examples, which others provided and some I found myself. There was no hidden agenda behind the question and the one you have invented was typical of you.

Loved this little gem though:

I have actually worked for the newspapers on two occasions here, I read them in both English & Turkish, and I watch TV news in Turkish for several hours every day (it' a hobby). & I have never encountered any anti-American propaganda here

Ok, so the vast majority of your posts on here, on any subject for that matter, will in some way highlight your feelings to America, Britain, Imperialists, the West..etc, etc and you worked for Turkish newspapers??? Did they hire you for your tea making ability or did you write the horoscopes? They sure as shit wouldn't want to broadcast your thoughts as anti-American propaganda doesn't exist according to you.

Again, it was not that you failed to provide the required answer, it was more the fact you decided to bullshit again.

WaspInWales wrote:

rowan wrote:So, whittling away all the silly and unnecessary comments, what you are really saying is it was not the required answer . . .

Silly and unnecessary comments such as:

Why, yes, Waspy ol' chum, Middle Eastern & Russian media is full of anti-American propaganda, so much hatred and racism, because they're making wars and killing lots of people and need to provide a smokescreen!!" - & only in this way will you be able to feel less horrified by what the US and its cronies are doing around the world

No, that's the conclusion I draw from your increasingly hostile attacks on my failure to provide the required answer. You're becoming incensed by the fact I have pointed out to you - repeatedly - that I have seen no sign of anti-American propaganda during my 12 years in the Middle East, and I didn't see any during my brief stint in Russia. That's simply a personal observation that you seem to think I am not entitled to. In other words, your mind was already made up long before you asked this question.

WaspInWales wrote:
Loved this little gem though:

I have actually worked for the newspapers on two occasions here, I read them in both English & Turkish, and I watch TV news in Turkish for several hours every day (it' a hobby). & I have never encountered any anti-American propaganda here

Ok, so the vast majority of your posts on here, on any subject for that matter, will in some way highlight your feelings to America, Britain, Imperialists, the West..etc, etc and you worked for Turkish newspapers??? Did they hire you for your tea making ability or did you write the horoscopes? They sure as shit wouldn't want to broadcast your thoughts as anti-American propaganda doesn't exist according to you.

Again, it was not that you failed to provide the required answer, it was more the fact you decided to bullshit again.

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Very very childish, Wasps. & all because you didn't get the answer you wanted...

rowan wrote:No, that's the conclusion I draw from your increasingly hostile attacks on my failure to provide the required answer. You're becoming incensed by the fact I have pointed out to you - repeatedly - that I have seen no sign of anti-American propaganda during my 12 years in the Middle East, and I didn't see any during my brief stint in Russia. That's simply a personal observation that you seem to think I am not entitled to. In other words, your mind was already made up long before you asked this question.

Very very childish, Wasps. & all because you didn't get the answer you wanted...

Replace the word 'incensed' with bored and you'll be almost right. Bored of the bullshit that you continue to post

I would've been quite happy with your answer had it been true, but it was as weak as the content of most of the links you post. It took a few clicks to find a seemingly endless stream of articles that countered your bullshit. Are you sure you're in Turkey?

You're clearly more than entitled to your personal observations and opinions. That is testament to the fact that you post the crap on a daily basis. You just don't like being called out for it.

Anyway, away with you. I feel I'm keeping you from your hobby of watching your local news. Next you'll be telling me each broadcast ends with a rousing rendition of the star spangled banner

WaspInWales wrote:

rowan wrote:No, that's the conclusion I draw from your increasingly hostile attacks on my failure to provide the required answer. You're becoming incensed by the fact I have pointed out to you - repeatedly - that I have seen no sign of anti-American propaganda during my 12 years in the Middle East, and I didn't see any during my brief stint in Russia. That's simply a personal observation that you seem to think I am not entitled to. In other words, your mind was already made up long before you asked this question.

Very very childish, Wasps. & all because you didn't get the answer you wanted...

Replace the word 'incensed' with bored and you'll be almost right. Bored of the bullshit that you continue to post

I would've been quite happy with your answer had it been true, but it was as weak as the content of most of the links you post. It took a few clicks to find a seemingly endless stream of articles that countered your bullshit. Are you sure you're in Turkey?

You're clearly more than entitled to your personal observations and opinions. That is testament to the fact that you post the crap on a daily basis. You just don't like being called out for it.

Anyway, away with you. I feel I'm keeping you from your hobby of watching your local news. Next you'll be telling me each broadcast ends with a rousing rendition of the star spangled banner

Another temper tantrum because you didn't get the answer you wanted? Diddums

Well, what I explained to you about Turkey is actually very logical. You do know it's a NATO member, right? A NATO member can hardly be anti-American, can it? The people don't like America. But the media is dominated by the state - even the so-called independent media these days. But you obviously don't have a clue what's going on in this region. The US effectively controls Turkey, and guess who has been one of the main protagonists in the Syrian conflict right from the outset. They have the editors of a major daily newspaper in prison for exposing this, in fact, and one of them was shot at outside the courthouse (in the curious absence of security). & Turkey is not alone in this respect. Open your eyes to what's been going on in the world for the past quarter century - and more. The US controls most of the Middle East now, and those it doesn't control yet it has turned into pariah states. So the only countries left in the region than are even in a position to be able to spread anti-American propaganda are not taken seriously by the unthinking masses in America and Britain, who snicker down their nostrils over all the juvenile propaganda they have read about them.

rowan wrote:Another temper tantrum because you didn't get the answer you wanted? Diddums

Well, what I explained to you about Turkey is actually very logical. You do know it's a NATO member, right? A NATO member can hardly be anti-American, can it? The people don't like America. But the media is dominated by the state - even the so-called independent media these days. But you obviously don't have a clue what's going on in this region. The US effectively controls Turkey, and guess who has been one of the main protagonists in the Syrian conflict right from the outset. They have the editors of a major daily newspaper in prison for exposing this, in fact, and one of them was shot at outside the courthouse (in the curious absence of security). & Turkey is not alone in this respect. Open your eyes to what's been going on in the world for the past quarter century - and more. The US controls most of the Middle East now, and those it doesn't control yet it has turned into pariah states. So the only countries left in the region than are even in a position to be able to spread anti-American propaganda are not taken seriously by the unthinking masses in America and Britain, who snicker down their nostrils over all the juvenile propaganda they have read about them.

Just more rantings and ramblings there old chum.

Your attempt to divert the fact that you've been bullshitting by claiming your opponent is losing their temper is again a typical tactic from you. I'm finding it quite funny tbh See, there's me laughing at you this smiley proves beyond reasonable doubt that you must be angry and embarrassed.

Various sources and just the tip of the iceberg as there's plenty of more examples I found from Russia, NK and many other places where you expertise is as accurate as your perception:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-2 ... ambassador
https://www.turkishminute.com/2017/01/0 ... or-attack/
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/20/pro- ... ssination/
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/tur ... -new-17448
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ching.html

Doesn't happen though right? You've got your ears and eyes on the ground wherever that may be.

I've proved my point.

Jog on

WaspInWales wrote:

rowan wrote:Another temper tantrum because you didn't get the answer you wanted? Diddums

Well, what I explained to you about Turkey is actually very logical. You do know it's a NATO member, right? A NATO member can hardly be anti-American, can it? The people don't like America. But the media is dominated by the state - even the so-called independent media these days. But you obviously don't have a clue what's going on in this region. The US effectively controls Turkey, and guess who has been one of the main protagonists in the Syrian conflict right from the outset. They have the editors of a major daily newspaper in prison for exposing this, in fact, and one of them was shot at outside the courthouse (in the curious absence of security). & Turkey is not alone in this respect. Open your eyes to what's been going on in the world for the past quarter century - and more. The US controls most of the Middle East now, and those it doesn't control yet it has turned into pariah states. So the only countries left in the region than are even in a position to be able to spread anti-American propaganda are not taken seriously by the unthinking masses in America and Britain, who snicker down their nostrils over all the juvenile propaganda they have read about them.

Just more rantings and ramblings there old chum.

Your attempt to divert the fact that you've been bullshitting by claiming your opponent is losing their temper is again a typical tactic from you. I'm finding it quite funny tbh See, there's me laughing at you this smiley proves beyond reasonable doubt that you must be angry and embarrassed.

Various sources and just the tip of the iceberg as there's plenty of more examples I found from Russia, NK and many other places where you expertise is as accurate as your perception:
(edited out as the board software didn't like more than 5 URLs)

Doesn't happen though right? You've got your ears and eyes on the ground wherever that may be.

I've proved my point.

Jog on

This is my favourite one.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-turkey ... KKBN15M1K6

Pro-government commentator Omer Turan said FETO and "deep NATO" - which he defined as the United States and Britain - may have been behind the recent earthquakes as part of what he called a "multi-dimensional" coup plot.

""No matter what they say, I'm still worried about the possibility of an artificial earthquake," he wrote on Twitter, adding that the "Gulenist Terrorist Organisation" (FETO) had planned an earthquake before."

WaspInWales wrote:

rowan wrote:Another temper tantrum because you didn't get the answer you wanted? Diddums

Well, what I explained to you about Turkey is actually very logical. You do know it's a NATO member, right? A NATO member can hardly be anti-American, can it? The people don't like America. But the media is dominated by the state - even the so-called independent media these days. But you obviously don't have a clue what's going on in this region. The US effectively controls Turkey, and guess who has been one of the main protagonists in the Syrian conflict right from the outset. They have the editors of a major daily newspaper in prison for exposing this, in fact, and one of them was shot at outside the courthouse (in the curious absence of security). & Turkey is not alone in this respect. Open your eyes to what's been going on in the world for the past quarter century - and more. The US controls most of the Middle East now, and those it doesn't control yet it has turned into pariah states. So the only countries left in the region than are even in a position to be able to spread anti-American propaganda are not taken seriously by the unthinking masses in America and Britain, who snicker down their nostrils over all the juvenile propaganda they have read about them.

Just more rantings and ramblings there old chum.

Your attempt to divert the fact that you've been bullshitting by claiming your opponent is losing their temper is again a typical tactic from you. I'm finding it quite funny tbh See, there's me laughing at you this smiley proves beyond reasonable doubt that you must be angry and embarrassed.

Various sources and just the tip of the iceberg as there's plenty of more examples I found from Russia, NK and many other places where you expertise is as accurate as your perception:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-2 ... ambassador
https://www.turkishminute.com/2017/01/0 ... or-attack/
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/20/pro- ... ssination/
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/tur ... -new-17448
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ching.html

Doesn't happen though right? You've got your ears and eyes on the ground wherever that may be.

I've proved my point.

Jog on

I think you need to use some more laughing faces, just to convince us all that you really, really aren't upset that I didn't provide you with the answer you wanted to hear.

""No matter what they say, I'm still worried about the possibility of an artificial earthquake," he wrote on Twitter, adding that the "Gulenist Terrorist Organisation" (FETO) had planned an earthquake before."

Ok, if you're talking about every utterance that comes out of a Turkish politicians mouth, then, sure, we'll be here all day discussing who they've lambasted and blamed to divert attention from their own personal failings. I thought the thread title Are there any films/tv shows where the US is the villain?referred to the media and entertainment industries; not the clowns in government. Silly me...

rowan wrote:I think you need to use some more laughing faces, just to convince us all that you really, really aren't upset that I didn't provide you with the answer you wanted to hear.

""No matter what they say, I'm still worried about the possibility of an artificial earthquake," he wrote on Twitter, adding that the "Gulenist Terrorist Organisation" (FETO) had planned an earthquake before."

Ok, if you're talking about every utterance that comes out of a Turkish politicians mouth, then, sure, we'll be here all day discussing who they've lambasted and blamed to divert attention from their own personal failings. I thought the thread title Are there any films/tv shows where the US is the villain?referred to the media and entertainment industries; not the clowns in government. Silly me...

I've provided a number of examples which answered my question. Please note I didn't provide the earthquake information but, it does highlight propaganda.

Not sure whether to use any more smilies as you're obviously enraged to the point of having some form of psychological breakdown. The emoticons are afterall definitive proof of conveying hidden emotions.

Oh what the hell...

Italics used to denote that I'm actually unaware of your state of mind. I can take educated guesses based on your posts and previous posts, but the use of smilies are not the best indicator. It's the content that lets you down

I've also taken the time to answer your question at length on two occasions, as someone who has been living in the Middle East for 12 years and has also lived in Russia. But you didn't like the answer and became ridiculous.

Meanwhile:

How was he being ridiculous George?

rowan wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:

rowan wrote:Another temper tantrum because you didn't get the answer you wanted? Diddums

Well, what I explained to you about Turkey is actually very logical. You do know it's a NATO member, right? A NATO member can hardly be anti-American, can it? The people don't like America. But the media is dominated by the state - even the so-called independent media these days. But you obviously don't have a clue what's going on in this region. The US effectively controls Turkey, and guess who has been one of the main protagonists in the Syrian conflict right from the outset. They have the editors of a major daily newspaper in prison for exposing this, in fact, and one of them was shot at outside the courthouse (in the curious absence of security). & Turkey is not alone in this respect. Open your eyes to what's been going on in the world for the past quarter century - and more. The US controls most of the Middle East now, and those it doesn't control yet it has turned into pariah states. So the only countries left in the region than are even in a position to be able to spread anti-American propaganda are not taken seriously by the unthinking masses in America and Britain, who snicker down their nostrils over all the juvenile propaganda they have read about them.

Just more rantings and ramblings there old chum.

Your attempt to divert the fact that you've been bullshitting by claiming your opponent is losing their temper is again a typical tactic from you. I'm finding it quite funny tbh [emoji38] See, there's me laughing at you [emoji38] this smiley proves beyond reasonable doubt that you must be angry and embarrassed.

Various sources and just the tip of the iceberg as there's plenty of more examples I found from Russia, NK and many other places where you expertise is as accurate as your perception:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-2 ... ambassador
https://www.turkishminute.com/2017/01/0 ... or-attack/
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/12/20/pro- ... ssination/
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/tur ... -new-17448
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ching.html

Doesn't happen though right? You've got your ears and eyes on the ground wherever that may be.

I've proved my point.

Jog on [emoji38]

I think you need to use some more laughing faces, just to convince us all that you really, really aren't upset that I didn't provide you with the answer you wanted to hear.

""No matter what they say, I'm still worried about the possibility of an artificial earthquake," he wrote on Twitter, adding that the "Gulenist Terrorist Organisation" (FETO) had planned an earthquake before."

Ok, if you're talking about every utterance that comes out of a Turkish politicians mouth, then, sure, we'll be here all day discussing who they've lambasted and blamed to divert attention from their own personal failings. I thought the thread title Are there any films/tv shows where the US is the villain?referred to the media and entertainment industries; not the clowns in government. Silly me...

...to convince us all...

Please don't try to speak for anyone but yourself. Unless of course, by us, you are referring the the myriad of voices in your head.

For the record wiw seems perfectly calm to me. But that is only my opinion.

Okay, perhaps you could answer these 3 simple questions:

1 - Is Turkey in Nato?

2 - Is the media/entertainment industry of a Nato member likely to propagate anti-US propaganda?

3 - Is the rest of the Middle East not littered with US-controlled leaderships and US allies?