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Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:48 pm
by Banquo
Tigersman wrote:Suspect Ludlam might not have wanted to start this game..............
only him and Lawes are doing anything up front. desperate defence

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:53 pm
by Tigersman
Banquo wrote:
Tigersman wrote:Suspect Ludlam might not have wanted to start this game..............
only him and Lawes are doing anything up front. desperate defence
i'm not saying he is having a bad game just not the sort of score you would want to have for starting debut. Esp as an academy lad.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:01 pm
by Timbo
It'd be great if Koch was English.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:19 pm
by Adam_P
Great decision to take Collins off...

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:22 pm
by Timbo
Brits is completely irreplaceable for Sarries. What a player.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:22 pm
by Banquo
Tigersman wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Tigersman wrote:Suspect Ludlam might not have wanted to start this game..............
only him and Lawes are doing anything up front. desperate defence
i'm not saying he is having a bad game just not the sort of score you would want to have for starting debut. Esp as an academy lad.
upside is that he is showing up well compared to his more established team mates.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:22 pm
by Banquo
Adam_P wrote:Great decision to take Collins off...
looked like he was crocked to me

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:24 pm
by Banquo
Saints looking ok with the ball when they hang onto it. Defence is just shocking...Mallinder is just one of many liabilities

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:29 pm
by Tigersman
to think Saints had a chance to sign Ackermann (well from what i heard on the grapevine).

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:32 pm
by Adam_P
Banquo wrote:
Adam_P wrote:Great decision to take Collins off...
looked like he was crocked to me
I'd take Tom Collins with cramp over a sluggish old man Foden

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:33 pm
by Adam_P
Tigersman wrote:to think Saints had a chance to sign Ackermann (well from what i heard on the grapevine).
I also heard this and it's a shocking decision not to take him on board

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:34 pm
by Banquo
Saints will likely win the second half in fairness and prob get a bp

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:36 pm
by Banquo
Adam_P wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Adam_P wrote:Great decision to take Collins off...
looked like he was crocked to me
I'd take Tom Collins with cramp over a sluggish old man Foden
Foden seems to be trying harder than others on his team, though Collins was lively when on. But yes, some freshness is needed in Saints outside backs.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:37 pm
by Tigersman
Adam_P wrote:
Tigersman wrote:to think Saints had a chance to sign Ackermann (well from what i heard on the grapevine).
I also heard this and it's a shocking decision not to take him on board
Surprised they didn't really. Mallinder and West have stagnated for a bit now.

Have to say i'm not a fan of how Cohen operates but he made a brave call to sack Cockers and Mauger when he did IMO the right call.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:47 pm
by Banquo
Burrell and Mallinder in the centres isn't going to worry anyone, frankly.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 3:54 pm
by Tigersman
12 francis
13 Mallinder

Might be interesting.

They need to sign Bigger IMO.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:03 pm
by Adam_P
I just don't see Mallinder as a 13. Especially when Horne and Stephenson are in the squad. He is a clear 12 to me.

10. Francis
12. Mallinder/Stephenson
13. Horne

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:04 pm
by Banquo
I'm dubious about Mallinder anywhere at present, his defence is crap. He's a 12 if anything, but not if he doesn't both grow a pair and stop planting his feet.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:08 pm
by Adam_P
When Burrell is the other option at 12 his defence doesn't need to be great

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:12 pm
by Banquo
Adam_P wrote:When Burrell is the other option at 12 his defence doesn't need to be great
well when you put it like that....but his defence isn't just 'not great', its appalling.

its curious that Burrell actually had a decent season for England once; and that was at 13.

Brad Barritt looked a class act today, but its all relative :)

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:19 pm
by Adam_P
Burrell used to be quite decent for Saints too, I don't know what has happened but he has forgotten how to catch, carry, retain ball, run lines, etc.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:23 pm
by Banquo
Adam_P wrote:Burrell used to be quite decent for Saints too, I don't know what has happened but he has forgotten how to catch, carry, retain ball, run lines, etc.
confidence shot somewhere along the line. I thought for a while he was going to be a decent boshing option- he started passing quite well, but that's all bu55ered off. Saints backs have been poor for too long now.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:25 pm
by Tigersman
Adam_P wrote:I just don't see Mallinder as a 13. Especially when Horne and Stephenson are in the squad. He is a clear 12 to me.

10. Francis
12. Mallinder/Stephenson
13. Horne
Is Stepehnson fit yet?

Hell of a talent but has terrible luck.

Hutchinson should also get a look in IMO.

Horne IMO is a better wing.
What about Mallinder at 15? he's quick and has a big boot if he can develop the technical stuff he could prove a handy 15.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:28 pm
by Banquo
Tigersman wrote:
Adam_P wrote:I just don't see Mallinder as a 13. Especially when Horne and Stephenson are in the squad. He is a clear 12 to me.

10. Francis
12. Mallinder/Stephenson
13. Horne
Is Stepehnson fit yet?

Hell of a talent but has terrible luck.

Hutchinson should also get a look in IMO.

Horne IMO is a better wing.
What about Mallinder at 15? he's quick and has a big boot if he can develop the technical stuff he could prove a handy 15.
I liked Stephenson a lot from his first game.

I fear Mallinder is just too lanky, which sounds a bit odd, but there you go - and although 15's don't have to do as much last ditch work as bygone days, you'd still want someone who seems a bit more courageous back there. I may be being hugely unfair, but he lacks physical commitment as it stands.

Re: Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:28 pm
by Adam_P
I'd like my 15 to be defensively solid, like Foden