RugbyRebels

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:It’s getting like the old people’s home again. Banquo will telling us about the time his parents bought the first TV on the street if we’re not careful. “What’s that nurse? It’s time for my medicine?”

cheeky young (?) c*nt. Now move, can't see the telly.

That's a toaster, just sayin'

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:It’s getting like the old people’s home again. Banquo will telling us about the time his parents bought the first TV on the street if we’re not careful. “What’s that nurse? It’s time for my medicine?”

cheeky young (?) c*nt. Now move, can't see the telly.

That's a toaster, just sayin'

That made me lol.

It supposed to make your toast!

Get a fecking grip, man; the youngsters are laughing at us.

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:It supposed to make your toast!

Get a fecking grip, man; the youngsters are laughing at us.

We will have the last laugh sooner than them..

You may indeed have the last laugh if you're the first to die in an age where nationalising vast chunks of private industry is viewed as costing absolutely nothing.

I'd also add whilst I've more than a little sympathy with the idea major public utilities should be state run I've no idea what the following means “irreversibly in the hands of workers” so they can “never again be taken away” when commenting on returning some assets to state control. How would one dictate to all future government/societies what decisions they could take, and why would you even want to?

Rugby Rebels goes all Billy Bragg on the discussion.

morepork wrote:Rugby Rebels goes all Billy Bragg on the discussion.

If Billy were leading discussion we might hear about what a pathetic job we do looking after those most exposed - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-43045232

It takes a special class of asshole to do that

Digby wrote:

morepork wrote:Rugby Rebels goes all Billy Bragg on the discussion.

If Billy were leading discussion we might hear about what a pathetic job we do looking after those most exposed - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-43045232

It takes a special class of asshole to do that

I wish I could say that that was unbelievable, but no.

I used to wonder what Billy Bragg would think about nationalising music, but then I gave up caring back in the 90s when I once heard him on the radio describing how he was in competition with the Spice Girls....

Digby wrote:I'd also add whilst I've more than a little sympathy with the idea major public utilities should be state run I've no idea what the following means “irreversibly in the hands of workers” so they can “never again be taken away” when commenting on returning some assets to state control. How would one dictate to all future government/societies what decisions they could take, and why would you even want to?

Sound byte. Even if they were in power with a majority, they can’t set something in permanence like that.

But it sounds good to the momentum supporters.

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:I'd also add whilst I've more than a little sympathy with the idea major public utilities should be state run I've no idea what the following means “irreversibly in the hands of workers” so they can “never again be taken away” when commenting on returning some assets to state control. How would one dictate to all future government/societies what decisions they could take, and why would you even want to?

Sound byte. Even if they were in power with a majority, they can’t set something in permanence like that.

But it sounds good to the momentum supporters.

Sound byte? Does it have eight bits?

Stones of granite wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:I'd also add whilst I've more than a little sympathy with the idea major public utilities should be state run I've no idea what the following means “irreversibly in the hands of workers” so they can “never again be taken away” when commenting on returning some assets to state control. How would one dictate to all future government/societies what decisions they could take, and why would you even want to?

Sound byte. Even if they were in power with a majority, they can’t set something in permanence like that.

But it sounds good to the momentum supporters.

Sound byte? Does it have eight bits?

Layer 8 issue.

Digby wrote:I'd also add whilst I've more than a little sympathy with the idea major public utilities should be state run I've no idea what the following means “irreversibly in the hands of workers” so they can “never again be taken away” when commenting on returning some assets to state control. How would one dictate to all future government/societies what decisions they could take, and why would you even want to?

My assumption and indeed hope it's that it will be some form of syndicate model of ownership. In fact the Labour Party produced a paper on alternative models of ownership.

http://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads ... ership.pdf

Digby wrote:I'd also add whilst I've more than a little sympathy with the idea major public utilities should be state run I've no idea what the following means “irreversibly in the hands of workers” so they can “never again be taken away” when commenting on returning some assets to state control. How would one dictate to all future government/societies what decisions they could take, and why would you even want to?

got a touch of the Mugabes about it; compulsory re-possession with no recompense.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:I'd also add whilst I've more than a little sympathy with the idea major public utilities should be state run I've no idea what the following means “irreversibly in the hands of workers” so they can “never again be taken away” when commenting on returning some assets to state control. How would one dictate to all future government/societies what decisions they could take, and why would you even want to?

got a touch of the Mugabes about it; compulsory re-possession with no recompense.

From ‘trickle down’ to ‘deluge up’.

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:I'd also add whilst I've more than a little sympathy with the idea major public utilities should be state run I've no idea what the following means “irreversibly in the hands of workers” so they can “never again be taken away” when commenting on returning some assets to state control. How would one dictate to all future government/societies what decisions they could take, and why would you even want to?

got a touch of the Mugabes about it; compulsory re-possession with no recompense.

I happen to know some Zimmer farmers, and they didn't get no recompense. They were assured money for their land, okay that money still hasn't arrived, but you never know. One of them got an email only a month or so back offering to buy a tractor that had been left at the farm, as well as a query about whether he'd know how to fix it given a list of ailments, so they do keep in touch about the old compensation.

Digby wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Digby wrote:I'd also add whilst I've more than a little sympathy with the idea major public utilities should be state run I've no idea what the following means “irreversibly in the hands of workers” so they can “never again be taken away” when commenting on returning some assets to state control. How would one dictate to all future government/societies what decisions they could take, and why would you even want to?

got a touch of the Mugabes about it; compulsory re-possession with no recompense.

I happen to know some Zimmer farmers, and they didn't get no recompense. They were assured money for their land, okay that money still hasn't arrived, but you never know. One of them got an email only a month or so back offering to buy a tractor that had been left at the farm, as well as a query about whether he'd know how to fix it given a list of ailments, so they do keep in touch about the old compensation.

splitting Harare's

More good news coming today on using private money to generate new energy producing capability

Digby wrote:More good news coming today on using private money to generate new energy producing capability

When you look at the scale of that investment, it’s not a surprise.

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:More good news coming today on using private money to generate new energy producing capability

When you look at the scale of that investment, it’s not a surprise.

Rather than dithering over Brexit and a smorgasbord of free trade deals we'd have done so much better spending the money on ensuring future energy supplies at competitive prices. If we chase private money again promising them ever higher guaranteed wholesale prices we're not going to be competitive whatever our trade deals, and there's a risk the lights might even go out

Also had we stayed in the EU we'd be much better placed to put pressure on Germany who having ditched nuclear energy because of earthquakes are busy keeping energy costs down by burning coal, the cads

Major industry must already have a problem with our energy prices and supply as is. I know we don't bother to think about basing additional data farms here in part down to energy costs

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Digby wrote:More good news coming today on using private money to generate new energy producing capability

When you look at the scale of that investment, it’s not a surprise.

Rather than dithering over Brexit and a smorgasbord of free trade deals we'd have done so much better spending the money on ensuring future energy supplies at competitive prices. If we chase private money again promising them ever higher guaranteed wholesale prices we're not going to be competitive whatever our trade deals, and there's a risk the lights might even go out

Also had we stayed in the EU we'd be much better placed to put pressure on Germany who having ditched nuclear energy because of earthquakes are busy keeping energy costs down by burning coal, the cads

Major industry must already have a problem with our energy prices and supply as is. I know we don't bother to think about basing additional data farms here in part down to energy costs

No arguments from me. I don’t have a problem with privatisation but like al ideologies it won’t fit every situation. The developmental costs for a nuclear power station are eye watering and without some assurance that the money will be recouped at some point, a private enterprise will be loath to take such a risk, particularly when the UKs long term energy strategy is far from clear.