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paddy no 11 wrote:We are shmitless, the cult is over mercifully

Yeah that bastard who led us to historic performances and the brink of being world number 1 will finally be gone, mercifully.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

paddy no 11 wrote:We are shmitless, the cult is over mercifully

Yeah that bastard who led us to historic performances and the brink of being world number 1 will finally be gone, mercifully.

Taking you “to the brink” is as good you’ve had it by a long way. No other coach has even given you so much as a semi...

The media hysteria is the issue for me Eug, undoubtedly he has had great success but he's had some serious raw materials to work with and any Irish coach who's competent would be on an upward trend, eh and he needs to get a world cup final with this lot

There is also speculation that Lancaster will be moved from Leinster (Replaced there by Contemponi) to take over as attack coach.

I expect that unless we can also find some loophole to bring Farrell Jnr, Hartley and Tuilagi into the Ireland set up Farrell/Lancaster will make for a far more successful combination out of Carton House than they ever did out of Twickenham.

paddy no 11 wrote:The media hysteria is the issue for me Eug, undoubtedly he has had great success but he's had some serious raw materials to work with and any Irish coach who's competent would be on an upward trend, eh and he needs to get a world cup final with this lot

Ah come on Paddy? Give Michael Bradley a week with the current panel and he'll have us back in the 'glory days' of the 90s.

Correction - just saw the word 'competent.'

That would be quite some comeback for the shell suit twins. A northern renaissance across the water.

paddy no 11 wrote:The media hysteria is the issue for me Eug, undoubtedly he has had great success but he's had some serious raw materials to work with and any Irish coach who's competent would be on an upward trend, eh and he needs to get a world cup final with this lot

lots of Irish coaches have had serious raw materials and got nowhere near. We could play really well all tournament and still lose in the QF.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

paddy no 11 wrote:The media hysteria is the issue for me Eug, undoubtedly he has had great success but he's had some serious raw materials to work with and any Irish coach who's competent would be on an upward trend, eh and he needs to get a world cup final with this lot

lots of Irish coaches have had serious raw materials and got nowhere near. We could play really well all tournament and still lose in the QF.

Your possible QF opponents are the All Blacks or Springboks. You beat both these sides last time out so I would say that making the Semi Finals is a dead cert for you.

Going to RWC2003, England were 10 from 14 against the SH Big 3. Heading into RWC2019, Ireland are 9 from 13. You can’t lose.

Nah no one's had the strength in depth he's had. He still picked Dave Kearney v argentina in the world cup not the work of a genius imo. Guy got some great results but I'll pass on the cult aspect is all

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:

paddy no 11 wrote:The media hysteria is the issue for me Eug, undoubtedly he has had great success but he's had some serious raw materials to work with and any Irish coach who's competent would be on an upward trend, eh and he needs to get a world cup final with this lot

Ah come on Paddy? Give Michael Bradley a week with the current panel and he'll have us back in the 'glory days' of the 90s.

Correction - just saw the word 'competent.'

SiL put on a good show for his couple of games in charge of Ireland v the all blacks (lizard will post de results) only emphasises my point!

Lizard wrote:

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

paddy no 11 wrote:We are shmitless, the cult is over mercifully

Yeah that bastard who led us to historic performances and the brink of being world number 1 will finally be gone, mercifully.

Taking you “to the brink” is as good you’ve had it by a long way. No other coach has even given you so much as a semi...

I have a horrible feeling we'll be out in the QF again. Even if we top the group a fully fit and firing SA team who have progressed a bit from where they are now could beat us even if we play well.

paddy no 11 wrote:Nah no one's had the strength in depth he's had. He still picked Dave Kearney v argentina in the world cup not the work of a genius imo. Guy got some great results but I'll pass on the cult aspect is all

You do get that the depth and his tenure at Leinster and Ireland aren't a coincidence right?

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Lizard wrote:

Eugene Wrayburn wrote: Yeah that bastard who led us to historic performances and the brink of being world number 1 will finally be gone, mercifully.

Taking you “to the brink” is as good you’ve had it by a long way. No other coach has even given you so much as a semi...

I have a horrible feeling we'll be out in the QF again. Even if we top the group a fully fit and firing SA team who have progressed a bit from where they are now could beat us even if we play well.

It’s hard to say whether SA are on the up or not. I think so but it’s been a bit rocky for them.

You’ve also got to remember that SA have never beaten a really good side in a RWC QF. They’ve got through against the likes of Samoa, Fiji, 1999 England and 2015 Wales. They’ve lost to NZ and Aust, which is Ireland’s level now.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

paddy no 11 wrote:Nah no one's had the strength in depth he's had. He still picked Dave Kearney v argentina in the world cup not the work of a genius imo. Guy got some great results but I'll pass on the cult aspect is all

You do get that the depth and his tenure at Leinster and Ireland aren't a coincidence right?

It pains me to say it but Kearney was magisterial in both wins over the All Blacks; I would go so far as to say that without him we may not have won either game. For all the hype about Larmour he appeared decidedly dodgy under the rain of high balls that the Argentines (rightly) sent his way this Autumn; had Kearney been on the park I suspect we would have cut their kicking game off and the game would not have been nearly so arse-twitchy.

I agree that Joe has the benefit of real strength in depth, but this is a direct result of being caught out in the last QF against Argentina. In its wake, it was Joe who determined to improve our depth and Joe who got the Jackeens playing the way he wants them to play so that they can fit seamlessly into the Irish set up.

I don't think it is fair to write all of the praise off as 'cult'. He is a superb coach and one who has achieved remarkable things.

Lizard wrote:

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Lizard wrote: Taking you “to the brink” is as good you’ve had it by a long way. No other coach has even given you so much as a semi...

I have a horrible feeling we'll be out in the QF again. Even if we top the group a fully fit and firing SA team who have progressed a bit from where they are now could beat us even if we play well.

It’s hard to say whether SA are on the up or not. I think so but it’s been a bit rocky for them.

You’ve also got to remember that SA have never beaten a really good side in a RWC QF. They’ve got through against the likes of Samoa, Fiji, 1999 England and 2015 Wales. They’ve lost to NZ and Aust, which is Ireland’s level now.

Ireland have never beaten anybody in a RWC QF!

I think The Springboks are undoubtedly 'up'. Rassie has turned a bunch of no-hopers into a side that is capable of beating anyone on the day. If we (Ireland) look back to the thrashing we handed them in Dublin in 2017 and expect to do the same if we meet them in Japan, then we'll be humped dry.

Ireland have also never gone into a RWC having beaten the All Blacks

Well,

That was a heady ride, we went from number 1 to getting dry humped in less than a fortnight


Only the Irish can take you on that journey and enjoy both ends of the spectrum the same

When it comes to World Cups, South Africa are flat-track bullies who haven’t beaten anyone of real consequence since 1995.

1999 - beat a fairly poor England before dropping out v Aust.
2003 - lost to England in their pool, then got smashed by NZ in the QF.
2007 - sure, they won but they had a weak pool (beating the runner up 36-0), only had Fiji to contend with in the QF (thanks to Welsh ineptness), Argentina in the SF (who had never beaten SA before and were 5 years away from joining TRC), and England in the final who they had already beaten 36-0.
2011 - barely scraped by Wales in the pool and capitulated to Aussie in the QF
2015 - no real competition in the pool but still lost to Japan, scraped by Wales in the QF and then fell over v NZ in the SF.

Lizard wrote:

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

paddy no 11 wrote:The media hysteria is the issue for me Eug, undoubtedly he has had great success but he's had some serious raw materials to work with and any Irish coach who's competent would be on an upward trend, eh and he needs to get a world cup final with this lot

lots of Irish coaches have had serious raw materials and got nowhere near. We could play really well all tournament and still lose in the QF.

Your possible QF opponents are the All Blacks or Springboks. You beat both these sides last time out so I would say that making the Semi Finals is a dead cert for you.

Going to RWC2003, England were 10 from 14 against the SH Big 3. Heading into RWC2019, Ireland are 9 from 13. You can’t lose.

Most Irish fans are quite realistic, and not getting carried away with the result of the NZ game a couple of weeks ago, but do appreciate that you are still smarting. I'm sure the natural order of things will be restored before too long, so don't worry and try not to lose sleep over it.

I’m not smarting, it was a deserved win. But you need to understand the pressure of supporting the Team That Always Wins

i feel for you Liz, I really do. It must be fecking miserable.

BBD wrote:Well,

That was a heady ride, we went from number 1 to getting dry humped in less than a fortnight


Only the Irish can take you on that journey and enjoy both ends of the spectrum the same

Old Irish proverb: If life hands you a tube of deep heat, do not be tempted to use it as lubricant and stick with the dry humping.

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:i feel for you Liz, I really do. It must be fecking miserable.

Oh it is, Serj. The pinnacle of emotional joy for an All Blacks fan recently has been modest satisfaction at yet another expected win. We don’t get the ecstasy of finally defeating a heretofore formidable opponent. We don’t get the frisson of excitement you must have at being real contenders for the RWC, just acceptance that we are in the running followed by bitterness and frustration if we don’t win, and mere relief if we do. (2015 was good, I guess.)

At least we have this in common

Anyone know who won ????