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Digby wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Digby wrote:Why at an individual level? Or put another way, will every other defendant and even jailed person be allowed to state they've got a case of I don't want to face prosecution or didn't want to and be spared the justice system henceforth?

Or are we simply saying it's a no to extraditing to the USA, and not that this should only apply to Assange? If it's simply not being done because Assange is sad that's not even close to good enough for me, send him on his way.

And many people expose the rich and powerful, most don't end up with this problem, and indeed Assange could have avoided this problem were he not quite such a craven attention seeker and had showed some modicum of responsibility

On an individual level in that one human being has suffered far too much already.

It's quite clear to me that justice here should involve dealing with those who perpetrate or cover up war crimes rather than those who expose them.

Suffered because he withdrew to an embassy to avoid the charges in the first place? If that's suffering he did it to himself and I've roughly sod all sympathy, if anything it's vexing because he's cost us a lot of wasted time and money, and he gets no leeway for being an entitled prick

If we're sending him to a

place that doesn't have sufficient standards of justice then fine, don't send him, but I think typically we don't state that about the US

and I'm not interested in making Assange an exception

Zhivago wrote:

Digby wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: On an individual level in that one human being has suffered far too much already.

It's quite clear to me that justice here should involve dealing with those who perpetrate or cover up war crimes rather than those who expose them.

Suffered because he withdrew to an embassy to avoid the charges in the first place? If that's suffering he did it to himself and I've roughly sod all sympathy, if anything it's vexing because he's cost us a lot of wasted time and money, and he gets no leeway for being an entitled prick

If we're sending him to a

place that doesn't have sufficient standards of justice then fine, don't send him, but I think typically we don't state that about the US

and I'm not interested in making Assange an exception

We are talking about the country where privately run prison companies influence sentencing?

Digby wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Digby wrote:
Suffered because he withdrew to an embassy to avoid the charges in the first place? If that's suffering he did it to himself and I've roughly sod all sympathy, if anything it's vexing because he's cost us a lot of wasted time and money, and he gets no leeway for being an entitled prick

If we're sending him to a

place that doesn't have sufficient standards of justice then fine, don't send him, but I think typically we don't state that about the US

and I'm not interested in making Assange an exception

We are talking about the country where privately run prison companies influence sentencing?

Yes they do, but that's not the stated basis for Assange not taking a trip, and it's not it would seem a cause for concern when it comes to others being sent over so shouldn't only apply to Julian

Zhivago wrote:

Digby wrote:

Zhivago wrote:
We are talking about the country where privately run prison companies influence sentencing?

Yes they do, but that's not the stated basis for Assange not taking a trip, and it's not it would seem a cause for concern when it comes to others being sent over so shouldn't only apply to Julian

My point was that the prison system is a corrupt shambles in the US - that's effectively the reason that was given. That the US prison system cannot guarantee the safety of a mentally unwell prisoner such as Assange.

Digby wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Digby wrote:
Yes they do, but that's not the stated basis for Assange not taking a trip, and it's not it would seem a cause for concern when it comes to others being sent over so shouldn't only apply to Julian

My point was that the prison system is a corrupt shambles in the US - that's effectively the reason that was given. That the US prison system cannot guarantee the safety of a mentally unwell prisoner such as Assange.

Which is fine, but can prisons anywhere make that guarantee? Because I doubt it, and it means Assange isn't being treated equally, and that's a problem.

Zhivago wrote:

Digby wrote:

Zhivago wrote:
My point was that the prison system is a corrupt shambles in the US - that's effectively the reason that was given. That the US prison system cannot guarantee the safety of a mentally unwell prisoner such as Assange.

Which is fine, but can prisons anywhere make that guarantee? Because I doubt it, and it means Assange isn't being treated equally, and that's a problem.

In any case, the yanks didn't let us have that American who killed the Brit by dangerous driving, so sod them. I wouldn't let them have a single soul.

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Assange obtained that information through espionage. Effectively Bradley Manning extracted data and handed it to a third party,
Despite knowing that it was highly classified.

If Assange helped Manning do that, then he is in serious shit. I’d cheerfully see him extradited on the basis that he has cost us enough money over the past decade with his grandstanding.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/yes ... journalist

You're coming across more right wing than The Spectator. Have a gold star.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Assange obtained that information through espionage. Effectively Bradley Manning extracted data and handed it to a third party,
Despite knowing that it was highly classified.

If Assange helped Manning do that, then he is in serious shit. I’d cheerfully see him extradited on the basis that he has cost us enough money over the past decade with his grandstanding.

Interesting moral perspective. Assuming you actually mean that, I hope you never have any power over me.

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Assange obtained that information through espionage. Effectively Bradley Manning extracted data and handed it to a third party,
Despite knowing that it was highly classified.

If Assange helped Manning do that, then he is in serious shit. I’d cheerfully see him extradited on the basis that he has cost us enough money over the past decade with his grandstanding.

Interesting moral perspective. Assuming you actually mean that, I hope you never have any power over me.

He's not a British citizen so frankly I'd be glad to get shot of him. I'd happily deport him to Australia and let them have the aggro.

Digby wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: Interesting moral perspective. Assuming you actually mean that, I hope you never have any power over me.

He's not a British citizen so frankly I'd be glad to get shot of him. I'd happily deport him to Australia and let them have the aggro.

He's lost his bail bid though, somehow the judge didn't think he could be trusted.