COVID19

[paddy no 11]

We're in lockdown now.

No schools, no nursery, no nothing.

And I'm going to take full advantage. It really helps that my business is fully able to cope with this, my wife's, too.

But for, let's say, building contractors...who work on contract for companies. Or anyone else who's been pushed onto 0 hour contracts or contract positions rather than employed... They're absolutely screwed.

This virus should seriously expose the true nature of neo-capitalism. Once it's over, we should have a global uprising and rebalance the system so it doesn't screw everyone who isn't an entrepreneur.

Amen - Construction companies in Ireland have been removing people from their books as employees and redesignating them self employed to avoid paying social protection etc. All these people about 25000 are now looking at months without pay. All this was done legally - ridiculous stuff

[Digby]

We're in lockdown now.

No schools, no nursery, no nothing.

And I'm going to take full advantage. It really helps that my business is fully able to cope with this, my wife's, too.

But for, let's say, building contractors...who work on contract for companies. Or anyone else who's been pushed onto 0 hour contracts or contract positions rather than employed... They're absolutely screwed.

This virus should seriously expose the true nature of neo-capitalism. Once it's over, we should have a global uprising and rebalance the system so it doesn't screw everyone who isn't an entrepreneur.

Amen - Construction companies in Ireland have been removing people from their books as employees and redesignating them self employed to avoid paying social protection etc. All these people about 25000 are now looking at months without pay. All this was done legally - ridiculous stuff

There might be some school of thought that following the biggest pandemic we've lived through a global uprising would be less than helpful. And for all one might have issues with the dispersement of riches within a capitalist system no other system has ever catered for the masses, not one, not ever, which might also inform some thinking.

[Mikey Brown]

So... incremental changes then?

[Digby]

Well I'd go for some changes to the allocating of resources, and I'd like to see some serious work done on UBI, not perhaps moving to UBI but at least some serious research into what it means for taxes, what it might do to social security, what impact it might have on the market. But given I'm yet to vote for a winning electoral outcome I might not be the person to consult

[paddy no 11]

Good luck to everyone in this - could be a rough few months

[morepork]

Many people here are still not taking this seriously. They are getting spurious information from inappropriate sources. The inefficiencies and absurdities of a for-profit health model are about to be laid very bare. Singapore Korea and Taiwan all had a wealth of experience borne of the SARS episode which, as painful as it was, has provided a template for effective management. A crucial piece of the management strategy is clear, accurate, honest communication. This is so badly lacking and now it's too little too late. So many people are going to be thrust into poverty by this.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... via%3Dihub

In a world of polarising distrust and trade tensions, the spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), both within nations and internationally, is aided and abetted by misinformation that circumnavigates the planet in microseconds. Such misinformation is not all malevolent, although its impact can be devastating. The only bastion of defence against rising public panic, financial market hysteria, and unintended misunderstandings of the science and epidemiology of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is agile, accurate, worldwide-available counter-information that takes the high moral ground and conveys a consistently science-driven narrative. Some have sought to limit misinformation about COVID-19 on social media by pressuring corporations, such as Facebook, Weibo, and Twitter, to censor bad actors—an approach that has not stopped conspiracy theorists, trolls, and liars.

[morepork]

Herd immunity ? ...clever but the Govt. will probs. moo-ve move back to the S Kor stringent testing model, if the natives get restless with the poor explaining.
( what about the older middle-aged who don't get cocooned eh ? )
That mRNA article looks promising but hurt my brain quite quick - maybe this emergency will allow a bit of fast-tracking.
60-odd cases in Russia so far - must have stringent travel checks in place already, or maybe just less international travel..

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04283461

https://apnews.com/8089a3d0ec8f9fde971bddd7b3aa2ba1

[Stom]

We're in lockdown now.

No schools, no nursery, no nothing.

And I'm going to take full advantage. It really helps that my business is fully able to cope with this, my wife's, too.

But for, let's say, building contractors...who work on contract for companies. Or anyone else who's been pushed onto 0 hour contracts or contract positions rather than employed... They're absolutely screwed.

This virus should seriously expose the true nature of neo-capitalism. Once it's over, we should have a global uprising and rebalance the system so it doesn't screw everyone who isn't an entrepreneur.

Amen - Construction companies in Ireland have been removing people from their books as employees and redesignating them self employed to avoid paying social protection etc. All these people about 25000 are now looking at months without pay. All this was done legally - ridiculous stuff

There might be some school of thought that following the biggest pandemic we've lived through a global uprising would be less than helpful. And for all one might have issues with the dispersement of riches within a capitalist system no other system has ever catered for the masses, not one, not ever, which might also inform some thinking.

Do you not understand that we don't live in a capitalist system?

The current system is broken. Capitalism works, this doesn't.

[Digby]

Amen - Construction companies in Ireland have been removing people from their books as employees and redesignating them self employed to avoid paying social protection etc. All these people about 25000 are now looking at months without pay. All this was done legally - ridiculous stuff

There might be some school of thought that following the biggest pandemic we've lived through a global uprising would be less than helpful. And for all one might have issues with the dispersement of riches within a capitalist system no other system has ever catered for the masses, not one, not ever, which might also inform some thinking.

Do you not understand that we don't live in a capitalist system?

The current system is broken. Capitalism works, this doesn't.

It's sprained, not broken. And we could change it, but we keep voting in people who want to protect it, so we get what we deserve on that front

[Sandydragon]

Good luck to everyone in this - could be a rough few months

Yeah. Stay safe folks.

[Stom]

There might be some school of thought that following the biggest pandemic we've lived through a global uprising would be less than helpful. And for all one might have issues with the dispersement of riches within a capitalist system no other system has ever catered for the masses, not one, not ever, which might also inform some thinking.

Do you not understand that we don't live in a capitalist system?

The current system is broken. Capitalism works, this doesn't.

It's sprained, not broken. And we could change it, but we keep voting in people who want to protect it, so we get what we deserve on that front

I disagree, it’s broken.

[paddy no 11]

Reading Robert savianos gomorrah now, between these cunts screwing us from below and the 1% fcuking us from the top there's going to fuck all left but a hollowed out over extended middle

If we could get thru this virus episode it might change things up a bit

[Galfon]

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04283461
https://apnews.com/8089a3d0ec8f9fde971bddd7b3aa2ba1

cheers MP..was wondering how this type of vaccine was ro be administered and it's the meaty shoulder muscle (as per TB I recall )- double dose 1 month apart.
Also following the standard safety/reaction time of a year means next summer for trial completion - bit misleading of Trumpy-pants to raise hopes by saying 'vaccine ready soon' when sub-text reads 'for a 1 year trial'..so the fast-tracking is not feasible, medically speaking.

[Digby]

Do you not understand that we don't live in a capitalist system?

The current system is broken. Capitalism works, this doesn't.

It's sprained, not broken. And we could change it, but we keep voting in people who want to protect it, so we get what we deserve on that front

I disagree, it’s broken.

By and large people are living longer than ever with more disposable income than ever. Those not living longer are ignoring advice left right and centre on diet and exercise. It's not as equitable as I'd like, and there are real concerns around sustainability for me, but it's still making progress

[morepork]

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04283461
https://apnews.com/8089a3d0ec8f9fde971bddd7b3aa2ba1

cheers MP..was wondering how this type of vaccine was ro be administered and it's the meaty shoulder muscle (as per TB I recall )- double dose 1 month apart.
Also following the standard safety/reaction time of a year means next summer for trial completion - bit misleading of Trumpy-pants to raise hopes by saying 'vaccine ready soon' when sub-text reads 'for a 1 year trial'..so the fast-tracking is not feasible, medically speaking.

The trial has bypassed the usually requisite preclinical animal safety studies on account of the acute nature of the current situation. This may actually delay safety assessment in the event an adverse reaction to the treatment is observed in hoomans. If that happens, it goes back to animals before going anywhere near peeps...

[Galfon]

...Meanwhile an inevitable disaster scenario is developing; As bog-rolls fly off the shelves and leave 'em bare, quick-thinking grabstas moved quickly on to rolls of kitchen paper-towels as fall-back...for what exactly ?
well not wiping the milk off the kitchen table it seems.
As everyone and his dog knows, this stuff is non- dispersable in the soiled-waste drains and sewers, and combined with gallons of fat that also gets coveniently disposed of thereto, the country is heading for block-down..

[Puja]

Working from home (if possible) just needs to be the way forward now. Many private companies are doing this already, it’s should just be the norm now. I appreciate not everyone can but if it thins out the number of people using public transport or crowding hot dealing environment then it has to be a good thing.

My work absolutely, 100% can be done from home. However, the company I work for don't like it, as it gives them less control over us and less ability to monitor us. They were insistent that it was not possible until last week when suddenly all the IT software sprang fully formed from the head of Zeus when there was a possibility of money being lost.

I could very easily work from home. But I'm getting ready to go on a train to get into the office because my work are arseholes.

Puja

[Stom]

Working from home (if possible) just needs to be the way forward now. Many private companies are doing this already, it’s should just be the norm now. I appreciate not everyone can but if it thins out the number of people using public transport or crowding hot dealing environment then it has to be a good thing.

My work absolutely, 100% can be done from home. However, the company I work for don't like it, as it gives them less control over us and less ability to monitor us. They were insistent that it was not possible until last week when suddenly all the IT software sprang fully formed from the head of Zeus when there was a possibility of money being lost.

I could very easily work from home. But I'm getting ready to go on a train to get into the office because my work are arseholes.

Puja

Surely companies like that could be sued for endangering public health? The quicker we can get rid of them/that mindset, the better

[Mikey Brown]

Until the government officially enforces anything surely businesses are free to do whatever they want? I think I’m in a similar situation. Is Boris likely to risk certain businesses taking a hit for the sake of a few lives?

Some mighty encouraging stuff in here.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKBN21413E

[Puja]

Working from home (if possible) just needs to be the way forward now. Many private companies are doing this already, it’s should just be the norm now. I appreciate not everyone can but if it thins out the number of people using public transport or crowding hot dealing environment then it has to be a good thing.

My work absolutely, 100% can be done from home. However, the company I work for don't like it, as it gives them less control over us and less ability to monitor us. They were insistent that it was not possible until last week when suddenly all the IT software sprang fully formed from the head of Zeus when there was a possibility of money being lost.

I could very easily work from home. But I'm getting ready to go on a train to get into the office because my work are arseholes.

Puja

Surely companies like that could be sued for endangering public health? The quicker we can get rid of them/that mindset, the better

No chance - Boris isn't declaring or ordering anything; he's simply "urging" people and companies to social distance. That way, he's not responsible for things and none of his mates in the insurance industry have to pay out anything, cause people are choosing to close/running out of customers, rather than being ordered to by the government.

Puja

[Stom]

My work absolutely, 100% can be done from home. However, the company I work for don't like it, as it gives them less control over us and less ability to monitor us. They were insistent that it was not possible until last week when suddenly all the IT software sprang fully formed from the head of Zeus when there was a possibility of money being lost.

I could very easily work from home. But I'm getting ready to go on a train to get into the office because my work are arseholes.

Puja

Surely companies like that could be sued for endangering public health? The quicker we can get rid of them/that mindset, the better

No chance - Boris isn't declaring or ordering anything; he's simply "urging" people and companies to social distance. That way, he's not responsible for things and none of his mates in the insurance industry have to pay out anything, cause people are choosing to close/running out of customers, rather than being ordered to by the government.

Puja

The UK is technically still in the EU. The checks and balances of the free world are still available to you...lol.

[Which Tyler]

[paddy no 11]

Who is that man?

Yet again another scenario where having 2 jurisdictions on the island of Ireland is a disaster, unlike Brexit this one is going to cost lives if Johnson and foster continue being cunts

[Which Tyler]

Who is that man?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Galsworthy

[Digby]

Who is that man?

Yet again another scenario where having 2 jurisdictions on the island of Ireland is a disaster, unlike Brexit this one is going to cost lives if Johnson and foster continue being cunts

How can you possibly know which side is taking the right approach?