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Re: Diamond gone from Sales
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:02 pm
by Stom
Puja wrote:Digby wrote:I'd deny he's done a good hob depending on what the criteria are
He did an excellent job stabilising them as a solid Prem side and he's brought in some excellent players, but since stabilising them the development has all seemed to come from player acquisition, and it's not easy to see what's being done with that spend. At best the of the ball is clunky, often times they have enough power that doesn't matter, but it looks a big spend (and it's hardly just Manu) to be 4th-7th
It's easy to forget that it's only very recently that they've not been a bottom-half of the table club. They were involved in relegation battles and haven't finished higher than 6th until last year (when, arguably, they were likely robbed of 3rd by COVID). Until quite recently, they were in the Worcester/Irish position of developing players and seeing them get poached by bigger clubs - Taylor, Gaskell, Wiggy, Hodgson, Foden, Haley, Addison, Thomas, etc.
Yes, he has done some big spending on players and has likely overpaid, but he's had to while raising their reputation and changing them to a side that players will join to be successful, rather than just for a pension.
I don't like the man, but he's done a good job with the money IMO.
Puja
TBH, Richards at Quins did better with probably less money. Mallinder at Saints, too. And they did it with a core of young English players, not by importing a migrant dinghy worth of Saffas.
Sorry, but considering the investment, you'd expect Sale to have risen up the table. And we're not talking about rising from nowhere here, these are former champions. In fact, it'd only been 4 years when Diamond took over, so you could consider their relegation form to have been a bad blip rather than the norm.
No, I don't think he's been that good.
Sure, he's been better than some of the absolute crap we've had, but that's not a high bar.
Re: Diamond gone from Sales
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:38 pm
by Mellsblue
Digby wrote:Puja wrote:
I wouldn't say that was unfair - he's probably not got enough about him to take them to the very top. It really is hard for me to defend him cause I really don't like the guy, but he has been successful by a lot of metrics.
Puja
You get people like Meehan, Jones and so on and you can see what they're trying to do and all the detail therein. You might not like it, it might not even work but there is a lot of detail. Dimes once he's got the effort part sorted seems to have the sort of detail you'd expect from Bob who coaches Apmthill 3rds on a weekend and Thursday nights.
When there was detail at Sale it all seemed to come from Cips, and even Cips had to deal with the Chuckle Brothers at centre.
Still, we now get the enjoyment of a rugby league coach taking over and that's at least brand new thinking
I know Bob, too. Great bloke. Shame about his dyslexia and shame on you for perpetuating the cruel joke.
Re: Diamond gone from Sales
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2020 4:42 pm
by Digby
Mellsblue wrote:Digby wrote:Puja wrote:
I wouldn't say that was unfair - he's probably not got enough about him to take them to the very top. It really is hard for me to defend him cause I really don't like the guy, but he has been successful by a lot of metrics.
Puja
You get people like Meehan, Jones and so on and you can see what they're trying to do and all the detail therein. You might not like it, it might not even work but there is a lot of detail. Dimes once he's got the effort part sorted seems to have the sort of detail you'd expect from Bob who coaches Apmthill 3rds on a weekend and Thursday nights.
When there was detail at Sale it all seemed to come from Cips, and even Cips had to deal with the Chuckle Brothers at centre.
Still, we now get the enjoyment of a rugby league coach taking over and that's at least brand new thinking
I know Bob, too. Great bloke. Shame about his dyslexia and shame on you for perpetuating the cruel joke.
I'm pretty sure Scott Robertson is dyslexic, and that that's a known public thing, and that that isn't exactly hurting the Crusaders. Whereas my rugby coaching career never even started, so it might not be spelling that's key.
I would like to know what happens during a game if you shout left/right to a dyslexic, anyone able to speak to that?