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Re: World 12s Tournament
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:30 pm
by Peej
The question is also not so much where they money comes from, but where does it go? How does this get back into grassroots rugby?
Re: World 12s Tournament
Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2021 4:43 pm
by Digby
Puja wrote:Digby wrote:Puja wrote:
I never like any suggestion of reducing player numbers, not least because I don't know where you'd cut them from. Copy league and reduce the back row? Not only does that remove some of the best players in the game, but it also screws participation rugby - name me an amateur team that's short on players who want to play flanker! Cut the backs? I suppose you could lose the fullback, but one player's not making a massive difference to the defensive line and cutting a fast skillful player seems to go against the motive for reducing numbers.
Puja
Some of those best players could take up roles elsewhere of course.
Thank you Eddie, but I don't need BCurry at 9 or Earl on the wing right now.
Puja
Possibly they'd take up those roles years earlier rather than persist in developing in roles which no longer exist. That said would we actually see a reduction on the skills of the centres picked with people like Haskell in the centres instead, unintended consequences and all that
Re: World 12s Tournament
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 9:50 am
by jimKRFC
You can put Danny Care down as wanting a peice of the pie:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... e-exciting
Re: World 12s Tournament
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:35 am
by Digby
He's arguing both the game needs to grow and attract more people, and the game needs to focus on raising money for the best 12 players per union so the unions can retain those players. Which is... interesting
Re: World 12s Tournament
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:04 am
by jimKRFC
Digby wrote:
He's arguing both the game needs to grow and attract more people, and the game needs to focus on raising money for the best 12 players per union so the unions can retain those players. Which is... interesting
To be fair to him there's a bigger interview with him in the telegraph (behind the rather flimsy paywall) where he talks about struggling to get his child into the Lions and the general lack of open, running, rugby currently being played and the 12s comes up as minor part of that. So I may have been a little harsh in my initial comments...
Re: World 12s Tournament
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:21 am
by Puja
jimKRFC wrote:Digby wrote:
He's arguing both the game needs to grow and attract more people, and the game needs to focus on raising money for the best 12 players per union so the unions can retain those players. Which is... interesting
To be fair to him there's a bigger interview with him in the telegraph (behind the rather flimsy paywall) where he talks about struggling to get his child into the Lions and the general lack of open, running, rugby currently being played and the 12s comes up as minor part of that. So I may have been a little harsh in my initial comments...
I mean, I pity anyone who watched the Lions, let alone an innocent child. Hopefully we don't see rugby like that again - will be cheering Aus and NZ in the Rugby Championship in the hope that further success won't vindicate it.
Puja
Re: World 12s Tournament
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:51 am
by Gloskarlos
Didn't his son watch the prem final he featured in? some of the best rugby around to be seen? pretty selective comments. Lions games are rarely great spectacles for non-purists, but some of the games played towards the end of last season were fabulous to watch.
Re: World 12s Tournament
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:18 pm
by Digby
jimKRFC wrote:Digby wrote:
He's arguing both the game needs to grow and attract more people, and the game needs to focus on raising money for the best 12 players per union so the unions can retain those players. Which is... interesting
To be fair to him there's a bigger interview with him in the telegraph (behind the rather flimsy paywall) where he talks about struggling to get his child into the Lions and the general lack of open, running, rugby currently being played and the 12s comes up as minor part of that. So I may have been a little harsh in my initial comments...
We've seen over and over when sides involved in XVs want to run the ball it can be an open and entertaining game. But for whatever reason those same sides often choose to worry about losing and are aided and abetted by the referees to produce some lamentable rugby, if not always as bad as the Lions tour.
The game could choose to promote coaches who will insist on faster more open rugby, as is there are more than a few Gatlands around
Re: World 12s Tournament
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:51 pm
by morepork
It's the people that hire the coaches who are out of touch. What sort of diamond-studded dildo would think it in the best interests of the game to hire Gatland three tours in a row? The games are dull because the game is administered by dull pricks that are probably upset that women can drink in the public bar.
Re: World 12s Tournament
Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:18 pm
by Digby
Maybe it's the same people as one finds in Waikato
Re: World 12s Tournament
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2021 9:42 am
by Peej
The organisers of this are still refusing to let the dead die. Despite World Rugby refusing to sanction the tournament, they are suggesting players will be able to make anything from 90-250k for three week's worth of work.