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Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:40 pm
by morepork
The French won't let us do that to them. They are even bigger, love a run or two, and don't have old man le Roux at the back to run over the top of.

Have to say I just dig seeing Cheslin Kolbe having a crack. Electric on his feet.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:21 am
by Cameo
That game has me questioning my previous certainty that BB at the back is a massive mistake. He barely ran but he had a couple of moments of creativity that made all he difference - he was good last week too.

Added to that, being on the wing doesn't seem to hamper Will Jordan too much.

I think I would still like to see Jordan at 15, but Foster now has some evidence for keeping it as it was on Saturday.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:05 am
by J Dory
The pass to Jordan was legendary. Who would want to be an abs selector.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 7:16 am
by morepork
Cameo wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:21 am That game has me questioning my previous certainty that BB at the back is a massive mistake. He barely ran but he had a couple of moments of creativity that made all he difference - he was good last week too.

Added to that, being on the wing doesn't seem to hamper Will Jordan too much.

I think I would still like to see Jordan at 15, but Foster now has some evidence for keeping it as it was on Saturday.
That is where BB cut his teeth as a yoof. It's his natural environment.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:08 pm
by J Dory
<cough>warriors won again<cough>

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:41 pm
by morepork
Oh yes.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:42 pm
by morepork
J Dory wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:08 pm <cough>warriors won again<cough>
....and again...

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:57 pm
by J Dory
morepork wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2023 3:42 pm
J Dory wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:08 pm <cough>warriors won again<cough>
....and again...
I know, I'm starting to believe ....

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:08 pm
by Lizard
ABs v Boks was interesting. Probably the first time the R-Mo10/BB15 thing has really worked. But the Boks were foxing - didn’t contest some lineouts well away from their tryline, used some effective moves only once. They have form in keeping things under wraps before World Cups and I expect to see a fully armed and operational Bok team at the pointy end of that tournament.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:24 am
by Lizard
cashead wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2023 7:16 am I think you're giving Rassie and Nienaber way too much credit here. The Boks have shown no significant growth at any point like they did during the Jake White tenure.
I hope you’re right. It would be wonderful if they got to the RWC and basically just took a big runny shit with all their clothes on. But I would not bet on that right now.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 7:19 pm
by morepork
Wobblies are being coached on cynical defence. They got in our faces pretty good too. Still think France will have our number. Scott Barrett looking every millimetre the war horse we need, in the shape of a human dog roll. Halfbacks getting nailed is definitely a thing. A Smith had a hard day out there.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 10:04 pm
by Banquo
argentina should have turned the boks over.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 11:03 pm
by Lizard
Pretty satisfying result for the All Blacks, but we should at least that dominant over a team ranked 8th in the world.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:19 pm
by Cameo
Big games for Tamaiti Williams and Leicester Fainga'anuku I reckon. Could imagine both playing a big part at the World Cup or not going/not playing much

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:18 am
by morepork
France are gonna munch us. Ireland will fancy a piece too.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:51 am
by Lizard
OK. So now we know definitely and for sure that Richie Mo > DMac, just in case there was any doubt. What else?

Whitelock still has it.

Stevenson and Fainga'anuku are ok.

Sam Cane can't go the distance in a tight one.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 1:44 pm
by J Dory
The Smith - Richie Mo axis is key. Smiths passing is a cut above any other option. Richie Mo makes better decisions than D Mac.

Barrett, Telea and Jordan is the most balanced and generally just best back three combo. MoBeau interchange at first receiver adds creativity too.

Scott Barrett needs to be on the field somewhere.

Not sure who the starting hooker should be. De-Groot and Lomax 1 and 3.

Mid-field - Barrett Ioane or Leinert-Brown Ioane?

Frizzell and Ardie for shewer and then ....

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 2:41 pm
by morepork
Loosies, bar Savea, are a bit vulnerable. Sam’s Cane will get eaten by Aldritt et.al.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:12 pm
by Puja
morepork wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:18 am France are gonna munch us. Ireland will fancy a piece too.
Given that France B are currently demolishing Scotland without showing signs of breaking a sweat, I don't think you're going to be alone there. I suspect the only distinction you'll have is that your RWC won't stop at the same stage that you meet France.

Puja

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 9:05 pm
by BaldiePete
Puja wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:12 pm
morepork wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:18 am France are gonna munch us. Ireland will fancy a piece too.
Given that France B are currently demolishing Scotland without showing signs of breaking a sweat, I don't think you're going to be alone there. I suspect the only distinction you'll have is that your RWC won't stop at the same stage that you meet France.

Puja
We (Scotland) got our act together in the 2nd half, despite playing most of it with 14 men. The problem is that to have any chance at all against South Africa and Ireland we need to play like that for 80 minutes and have 15 men on the field.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:43 pm
by morepork
Puja wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 4:12 pm
morepork wrote: Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:18 am France are gonna munch us. Ireland will fancy a piece too.
Given that France B are currently demolishing Scotland without showing signs of breaking a sweat, I don't think you're going to be alone there. I suspect the only distinction you'll have is that your RWC won't stop at the same stage that you meet France.

Puja
Whoops

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:07 am
by Lizard
It looked like Fozzie either hadn’t given DMac the playbook, or had told him that ALB was knocking his missus off.

Re: The Champions of the Rugby, of 2023 at least.

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2023 12:08 pm
by Cameo
Funny game, but Australia with their stars (Skelton, Kerevi, and Koriobete) back are going to gradually get better so I think a win against them from behind with a b team is pretty good.

The debutants also improved as the game went on. Finau was very good in the last 20 or so.

Fainga'anuku also showed what he can do. Having Jordan on the wing means you can have someone like him on the bench.