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Which Tyler wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 12:40 pm
Which Tyler wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 5:45 pm Expect a lost vote of no confidence at the first available opportunity.
He'll probably have a shorter term as PM than Truss
Quite honestly, I'm impressed - I didn't think he had 3 months in him.
In fairness, I don't believe he actually tried to do much of anything in those 3 months, which probably helped.

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Yeah, it looks like this IS the first available opportunity
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To Macron the left is as bad as the far right. I've a horrible feeling that he'll piss about trying to appoint PMs from the centre till he pulls a blinding move that will wrong-foot everyone - calling a general election. Which Le Pen will win this time.
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I've got a crazy idea for Macron. How about picking a Prime Minister from the group that won the most seats in the election? Bit radical but could be worth trying. Give it a go, Emmanuel!
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He hates Melanchon even more than he hates LaStylo
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Son of Mathonwy wrote: Wed Sep 10, 2025 11:33 pm I've got a crazy idea for Macron. How about picking a Prime Minister from the group that won the most seats in the election? Bit radical but could be worth trying. Give it a go, Emmanuel!
Got really annoyed with the BBC reporting on this. They had an article going, "What can Macron possibly do next?" and it was mostly tutting and, "Seems intractable, doesn't it?" The suggestion of "Appoint a leader that the largest bloc in parliament wants" was mentioned as an afterthought near the end as an "I suppose he could try this if he wants to gamble," suggestion.

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Puja wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 9:03 am
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Wed Sep 10, 2025 11:33 pm I've got a crazy idea for Macron. How about picking a Prime Minister from the group that won the most seats in the election? Bit radical but could be worth trying. Give it a go, Emmanuel!
Got really annoyed with the BBC reporting on this. They had an article going, "What can Macron possibly do next?" and it was mostly tutting and, "Seems intractable, doesn't it?" The suggestion of "Appoint a leader that the largest bloc in parliament wants" was mentioned as an afterthought near the end as an "I suppose he could try this if he wants to gamble," suggestion.

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The BBC have lost all sense of impartiality by now. It's a joke.
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Stom wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 10:09 am
Puja wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 9:03 am
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Wed Sep 10, 2025 11:33 pm I've got a crazy idea for Macron. How about picking a Prime Minister from the group that won the most seats in the election? Bit radical but could be worth trying. Give it a go, Emmanuel!
Got really annoyed with the BBC reporting on this. They had an article going, "What can Macron possibly do next?" and it was mostly tutting and, "Seems intractable, doesn't it?" The suggestion of "Appoint a leader that the largest bloc in parliament wants" was mentioned as an afterthought near the end as an "I suppose he could try this if he wants to gamble," suggestion.

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The BBC have lost all sense of impartiality by now. It's a joke.
Channel 4 were almost as bad. No suggestion that a left-wing PM could be tried.

Having said that, the left-wing MP they interviewed seemed to be more keen on Macron stepping down than having a PM from her group . . . although that may be because they know Macron will never select one of them.
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Stom wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 10:09 am
Puja wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 9:03 am
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Wed Sep 10, 2025 11:33 pm I've got a crazy idea for Macron. How about picking a Prime Minister from the group that won the most seats in the election? Bit radical but could be worth trying. Give it a go, Emmanuel!
Got really annoyed with the BBC reporting on this. They had an article going, "What can Macron possibly do next?" and it was mostly tutting and, "Seems intractable, doesn't it?" The suggestion of "Appoint a leader that the largest bloc in parliament wants" was mentioned as an afterthought near the end as an "I suppose he could try this if he wants to gamble," suggestion.

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The BBC have lost all sense of impartiality by now. It's a joke.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewn9k0w9rxo

Lecornu steps down, blaming "partisans" for being unwilling to "compromise" (cf. accept the centrist line) and the BBC's reporting merely says, "President Macron... now faces a set of unenviable choices - resignation, new elections or the appointment of a new prime minister who may well be toppled within weeks." :roll:

Just pick a leftist! Pick someone who is acceptable to the largest bloc in the parliament and you'll be amazed how much easier it'll be to achieve a working majority, cause they'll have 195 of the 289 votes needed straight away, which means you need only 94 of the 168 centrist politicians on board. The "compromises" should be being constructed by starting from the NFP's positions and then moving steadily right until enough Centrists are willing to join in, not starting from the Centrist positions and shouting at the Left to join in or bring down the country and let Bardella in.

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Puja wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 11:10 am
Stom wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 10:09 am
Puja wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 9:03 am

Got really annoyed with the BBC reporting on this. They had an article going, "What can Macron possibly do next?" and it was mostly tutting and, "Seems intractable, doesn't it?" The suggestion of "Appoint a leader that the largest bloc in parliament wants" was mentioned as an afterthought near the end as an "I suppose he could try this if he wants to gamble," suggestion.

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The BBC have lost all sense of impartiality by now. It's a joke.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewn9k0w9rxo

Lecornu steps down, blaming "partisans" for being unwilling to "compromise" (cf. accept the centrist line) and the BBC's reporting merely says, "President Macron... now faces a set of unenviable choices - resignation, new elections or the appointment of a new prime minister who may well be toppled within weeks." :roll:

Just pick a leftist! Pick someone who is acceptable to the largest bloc in the parliament and you'll be amazed how much easier it'll be to achieve a working majority, cause they'll have 195 of the 289 votes needed straight away, which means you need only 94 of the 168 centrist politicians on board. The "compromises" should be being constructed by starting from the NFP's positions and then moving steadily right until enough Centrists are willing to join in, not starting from the Centrist positions and shouting at the Left to join in or bring down the country and let Bardella in.

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They'd prefer the far right to the left. That goes for Macron and the BBC.

It is just unacceptably bad journalism to ignore the obvious, democratic and as yet untried option.
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Son of Mathonwy wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 2:56 pm
Puja wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 11:10 am
Stom wrote: Thu Sep 11, 2025 10:09 am

The BBC have lost all sense of impartiality by now. It's a joke.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cewn9k0w9rxo

Lecornu steps down, blaming "partisans" for being unwilling to "compromise" (cf. accept the centrist line) and the BBC's reporting merely says, "President Macron... now faces a set of unenviable choices - resignation, new elections or the appointment of a new prime minister who may well be toppled within weeks." :roll:

Just pick a leftist! Pick someone who is acceptable to the largest bloc in the parliament and you'll be amazed how much easier it'll be to achieve a working majority, cause they'll have 195 of the 289 votes needed straight away, which means you need only 94 of the 168 centrist politicians on board. The "compromises" should be being constructed by starting from the NFP's positions and then moving steadily right until enough Centrists are willing to join in, not starting from the Centrist positions and shouting at the Left to join in or bring down the country and let Bardella in.

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They'd prefer the far right to the left. That goes for Macron and the BBC.

It is just unacceptably bad journalism to ignore the obvious, democratic and as yet untried option.
Having read more into it, it appears the "partisans" that Lecornu is referring to are actually the centre right party with their 40 MPs. Normally, it'd be easy to ignore them, but that's made significantly harder when a quarter of the parliament is National Front and you're steadfastly refusing to reach out to the third that's leftist. No wonder they're getting bolshy (pun intended) given the leverage they've been gifted.

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It's amazing, the coverage of this. I watched both the BBC and C4's news on it and neither mentioned the Left group at all while both showed the right group complaining and LePen saying Macron needs to resign etc. A viewer of this could not possibly get a clear understanding.

Unless that understanding is that it's essential that France's politicians put their egos aside and enact an austerity programme ASAP, because how else can revenue be raised??
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Hey, you know how I tried to fix this broken picture frame by hitting it with a hammer?

Yeah, didn't work, did it?

Well, I know exactly how to fix the picture frame now!

Is it hit it with a hammer?

YES! Of course! I hit it with a hammer!


It's like a sketch from Fry & Laurie, ffs. Incompetent.
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