RugbyRebels

Enjoyed Princess Ronaldo's criticism of Iceland.

What on earth was he expecting them to do?

rowan wrote:I had an argument with my English colleague about this on the way home today. He said the English hooligans are poor victimized little darlings who everybody likes to wind up, and that the Russian Neo Nazis carried out a premeditated attack on them for no reason. But I pointed out that I saw the English hooligans on telly the other day singing racist songs about all the other countries. He claimed this was propaganda. In that case they must have done a pretty good voice over!!

It's western media disinformation. Obviously.

In any case, your (and to be honest, also mine) prejudices are about to be proven founded, as it seems that there are bus loads of English yobs on their way to France to take on the Russians at their own game.

G'wan Slovakia!

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:I had an argument with my English colleague about this on the way home today. He said the English hooligans are poor victimized little darlings who everybody likes to wind up, and that the Russian Neo Nazis carried out a premeditated attack on them for no reason. But I pointed out that I saw the English hooligans on telly the other day singing racist songs about all the other countries. He claimed this was propaganda. In that case they must have done a pretty good voice over!!

It's western media disinformation. Obviously.

In any case, your (and to be honest, also mine) prejudices are about to be proven founded, as it seems that there are bus loads of English yobs on their way to France to take on the Russians at their own game.

It's not prejudice if it's factual. & you agree yourself that it's factual.

Cracking goal!

rowan wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:I had an argument with my English colleague about this on the way home today. He said the English hooligans are poor victimized little darlings who everybody likes to wind up, and that the Russian Neo Nazis carried out a premeditated attack on them for no reason. But I pointed out that I saw the English hooligans on telly the other day singing racist songs about all the other countries. He claimed this was propaganda. In that case they must have done a pretty good voice over!!

It's western media disinformation. Obviously.

In any case, your (and to be honest, also mine) prejudices are about to be proven founded, as it seems that there are bus loads of English yobs on their way to France to take on the Russians at their own game.

It's not prejudice if it's factual. & you agree yourself that it's factual.

No, there is a difference between perceptions and facts. I perceive all football fans and English ones in particular to be boorish twats. The facts on the ground are that Russian fans launched an unprovoked attack on English fans inside the stadium in Marseille. This is the act for which the Russian team was punished by UEFA, not the twattish behaviour of all the fans outside on the streets.

Give your head a wobble and see if you can unmuddle perceptions from facts.

Why oh why did the Slovakian coach send on another striker when they were 2-0 up?!?

Within a minute or two, Russia pulled a goal back and it has been one way traffic since!

Russia looking likely to get an equalizer too.

Slovakia just hold on to win!

Out of the two teams playing then, a Slovakia win was better for England because they're our final game. If England beat Slovakia they'll finish ahead of them in the group.
I don't think a poor Russia will beat Wales, if that is how it pans out that would leave England with two chances to qualify.
We could actually lose to Wales and still qualify by beating Slovakia(assuming Russia don't beat Wales).

Hopefully we can win the two final games just to make sure though.

twitchy wrote:

The russians had been planning that attack for months. They aren't "hooligans" in the british sense they are off duty police/army. Very suspect how they managed to get into the country in the first place.

This has been rattling around in my mind for awhile now. It's an incredibly believable assertion. I'd be fascinated to know more.
It would certainly explain the quick-marching and how they have the money and documents to travel freely.
You can imagine Vlad' paying for the whole thing as it's some cheap publicity for 'Project; don't f*ck with me'..

I was almost willing the Russians to kick off in the stadium....then I thought of the embarrassment if England still failed to get out of the group!

WaspInWales wrote:I was almost willing the Russians to kick off in the stadium....then I thought of the embarrassment if England still failed to get out of the group!

It Wales beat England, disqualification might not be an issue for either Russia or England.

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: It's western media disinformation. Obviously.

In any case, your (and to be honest, also mine) prejudices are about to be proven founded, as it seems that there are bus loads of English yobs on their way to France to take on the Russians at their own game.

It's not prejudice if it's factual. & you agree yourself that it's factual.

No, there is a difference between perceptions and facts. I perceive all football fans and English ones in particular to be boorish twats. The facts on the ground are that Russian fans launched an unprovoked attack on English fans inside the stadium in Marseille. This is the act for which the Russian team was punished by UEFA, not the twattish behaviour of all the fans outside on the streets.

Give your head a wobble and see if you can unmuddle perceptions from facts.

I didn't dispute what the Russians did, but I thought it would have been more appropriate to punish both sides, that's all.

rowan wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:
It's not prejudice if it's factual. & you agree yourself that it's factual.

No, there is a difference between perceptions and facts. I perceive all football fans and English ones in particular to be boorish twats. The facts on the ground are that Russian fans launched an unprovoked attack on English fans inside the stadium in Marseille. This is the act for which the Russian team was punished by UEFA, not the twattish behaviour of all the fans outside on the streets.

Give your head a wobble and see if you can unmuddle perceptions from facts.

I didn't dispute what the Russians did, but I thought it would have been more appropriate to punish both sides, that's all.

Why?

Albania look tidy - several 'arf chances.Fra can't be too complacent. Can't believe Evra is still in the mix.

Pogba for the ineffectual Martial...
Meanwhile, it's kicking off already in Lille.
Looks like this could be the only 'round 2' Eng. & Rus. will see if it carries on.

Fra cut loose..in the 90th min.
2 fine goals.Salut!

rowan wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:
It's not prejudice if it's factual. & you agree yourself that it's factual.

No, there is a difference between perceptions and facts. I perceive all football fans and English ones in particular to be boorish twats. The facts on the ground are that Russian fans launched an unprovoked attack on English fans inside the stadium in Marseille. This is the act for which the Russian team was punished by UEFA, not the twattish behaviour of all the fans outside on the streets.

Give your head a wobble and see if you can unmuddle perceptions from facts.

I didn't dispute what the Russians did, but I thought it would have been more appropriate to punish both sides, that's all.

For the scenes on the streets, both FAs were warned.

For the scenes in the stadium, the Russians were punished.

Ever has it worked so. Or at least since football became solely about money...

Sterling has to hit the target there!

Disappointing free kick from Kane.

Sterling is having a bit of a mare.

Ohhhh

Better use of a free kick.

This is embarrassing.

The Hungarian commentator is basically just saying: That was a bad ball. Bad pass from Rooney. Bad control from Kane. It's so static. Sterling is really playing badly.

And when a Hungarian says you're playing badly at football, you're playing badly.


Football is a simple thing, it's about two things: space and time. Find the spaces, change the pace of the match. We are slow, we don't move into spaces, we don't close down, we can't control the ball. It's terrible. I'm sorry, but Roy is probably the worst coach at this tournament. We have ok players now, but they suddenly cannot play when they're put together. And it's not like the French where they're all playing for themselves, they're trying to play as a team, but they suddenly are unable to trap a bloody ball.

Brilliant I do want to cheer for Wales here, because Roy needs to be gone for good, and we need to understand that the kind of football our team plays is appallingly bad, and we don't even deserve to be in the tournament.

I hope we lose to Slovakia, too.