Saints Vs Quins - Sat 5.30

[fivepointer]

On Fraser Dingwall: "Fraser's up and about and smiling so all good in that respect. They [medics) are uber-careful and if it takes five or six minutes (to treat a player), it's the right thing to do."

[Stom]

Need to write my weekly “Quins are a rabble” post.

God they were dreadful. Healey suggested in comms that Gilmore should be sacked for saying their season is over. I’d say he should also be sacked for playing Evans at 12.

Looking at their fixtures and other than Gloucester at home, they look like they’ll lose every single game for the rest of the season. something may spark at some point but they look like a zombie side waiting for the season to end where hopefully they’ll appoint an entirely new coaching team.

I would wholeheartedly agree.

And then you look at the unavailable list, and it's long and looks terrible...but there's no Hyde, Kerr, or Benson on it...

But on the other hand, when everyone is fit, who is our 12? Waghorn or Northmore? When the latter is really a 13? Recruiting has been awful again.

There's no way we're doing anything good this season because the squad is just awful. We have no depth in the backs, and 100,000 front row forwards. 5 of whom are currently injured, but that still leaves us with no injury crisis there, as we've still got enough to fill two full squads. And we're probably spending a fortune on 7 internationally capped front rows...when we have literally 0 senior inside centres.

[twitchy]

On Fraser Dingwall: "Fraser's up and about and smiling so all good in that respect. They [medics) are uber-careful and if it takes five or six minutes (to treat a player), it's the right thing to do."

Great news.

[FKAS]

Per Wiki the Quins coaching staff is.

First Team Coaching

Attack and backs Coach - Nick Evans
Scrum and transition coach - Adam Jones
Defence Coach - Jason Gilmore
Skills and transition coach - Gerrard Mullen
Lead rugby transition coach - England Matt Ferguson

That's a fairly small staff and does lack an overall leadership figure.

The squad isn't terrible, it's not great either but it really shouldn't be scraping along the bottom of the table and in genuine danger of finishing bottom. I may have predicted a fairly low finish for Quins at the start of the season but I thought they'd be competitive and edged out not walkovers with their defence coach/interim head coach saying the season was over days into the new year.

England women don't play until April, can Quins borrow Louis Deacon for a couple of months to put some steel back into that pack. Former head coach Andy Friend is available after leaving Connacht I think. There's got to be options available.

[Epaminondas Pules]

One silver lining for Quins was a prem debut for Elliot Williams at only 18 years old. Most pleasing was his scrum work. Talk about rock solid behind his prop!

[Stom]

Per Wiki the Quins coaching staff is.

First Team Coaching

Attack and backs Coach - Nick Evans
Scrum and transition coach - Adam Jones
Defence Coach - Jason Gilmore
Skills and transition coach - Gerrard Mullen
Lead rugby transition coach - England Matt Ferguson

That's a fairly small staff and does lack an overall leadership figure.

The squad isn't terrible, it's not great either but it really shouldn't be scraping along the bottom of the table and in genuine danger of finishing bottom. I may have predicted a fairly low finish for Quins at the start of the season but I thought they'd be competitive and edged out not walkovers with their defence coach/interim head coach saying the season was over days into the new year.

England women don't play until April, can Quins borrow Louis Deacon for a couple of months to put some steel back into that pack. Former head coach Andy Friend is available after leaving Connacht I think. There's got to be options available.

The squad just isn't balanced, though... It's not been for years, and we just keep buying sticky plasters. And it's compounded by the fact we just cannot keep any players fit, and we destroy our ethos by signing people like Harry Williams. It's just...

Yeah, I've fallen out of love with rugby over the past few years anyway. Partly due to the fact I have no one IRL to watch it with, but partly because, imo, the standard has just dropped outside of top international sides. Or maybe it's just because I watch Quins. But compared to the way we were playing a few seasons ago...this is poor. Very poor.

[Captainhaircut]

The squad just isn't balanced, though... It's not been for years, and we just keep buying sticky plasters. And it's compounded by the fact we just cannot keep any players fit, and we destroy our ethos by signing people like Harry Williams. It's just...

Yeah, I've fallen out of love with rugby over the past few years anyway. Partly due to the fact I have no one IRL to watch it with, but partly because, imo, the standard has just dropped outside of top international sides. Or maybe it's just because I watch Quins. But compared to the way we were playing a few seasons ago...this is poor. Very poor.

As a Newcastle fan, I’ve spent the last few years watching the Prem as an England fan primarily. I watch every game either live or on playback (with the odd trip to watch Sale home games if I can make it work) and I think the quality in the last few years has been excellent.

Bath, Saints and Bristol when they get it right are all very strong sides who play really good rugby. Some sides have fallen off like Quins, Sarries and Exeter prior to this season but that’s just the been the cycle- you’re never going to have 10 teams looking brilliant.

[Scrumhead]

Per Wiki the Quins coaching staff is.

First Team Coaching

Attack and backs Coach - Nick Evans
Scrum and transition coach - Adam Jones
Defence Coach - Jason Gilmore
Skills and transition coach - Gerrard Mullen
Lead rugby transition coach - England Matt Ferguson

That's a fairly small staff and does lack an overall leadership figure.

The squad isn't terrible, it's not great either but it really shouldn't be scraping along the bottom of the table and in genuine danger of finishing bottom. I may have predicted a fairly low finish for Quins at the start of the season but I thought they'd be competitive and edged out not walkovers with their defence coach/interim head coach saying the season was over days into the new year.

England women don't play until April, can Quins borrow Louis Deacon for a couple of months to put some steel back into that pack. Former head coach Andy Friend is available after leaving Connacht I think. There's got to be options available.

Perfectly good suggestions. At this point though, I can’t imagine anyone being in a major rush to get involved.

It’s a thoroughly depressing time to be a Quins fan.

We’ve already written off the season, so it’s all about securing a decent appointment for next season. At least for anyone coming in, the only way is up …

Tiny plusses, but good to see Hobson taking his opportunity. We’ve needed a good understudy for Baxter and if he can continue on this trajectory, he’ll be a very decent option. Good to see Williams impress on his debut.

[FKAS]

Per Wiki the Quins coaching staff is.

First Team Coaching

Attack and backs Coach - Nick Evans
Scrum and transition coach - Adam Jones
Defence Coach - Jason Gilmore
Skills and transition coach - Gerrard Mullen
Lead rugby transition coach - England Matt Ferguson

That's a fairly small staff and does lack an overall leadership figure.

The squad isn't terrible, it's not great either but it really shouldn't be scraping along the bottom of the table and in genuine danger of finishing bottom. I may have predicted a fairly low finish for Quins at the start of the season but I thought they'd be competitive and edged out not walkovers with their defence coach/interim head coach saying the season was over days into the new year.

England women don't play until April, can Quins borrow Louis Deacon for a couple of months to put some steel back into that pack. Former head coach Andy Friend is available after leaving Connacht I think. There's got to be options available.

The squad just isn't balanced, though... It's not been for years, and we just keep buying sticky plasters. And it's compounded by the fact we just cannot keep any players fit, and we destroy our ethos by signing people like Harry Williams. It's just...

Yeah, I've fallen out of love with rugby over the past few years anyway. Partly due to the fact I have no one IRL to watch it with, but partly because, imo, the standard has just dropped outside of top international sides. Or maybe it's just because I watch Quins. But compared to the way we were playing a few seasons ago...this is poor. Very poor.

The ethos bit is the bit that seems confused for me. Yes, Quins were a run it heavy side back when they were competing at the top but they always had a good set piece and a ferocious defence with it, particularly at the breakdown. Those things seem to have slowly been eroded, the attack but gets front and centre coverage but it's the other bits that are holding Quins back. A pack with Turner, Dombrandt and Kenningham in it should be a menace at the breakdown and with Petti and CCS in there the opposition tight carriers should be worried about their ribs. Doesn't translate onto the pitch.

Some of the signings could have been a lot better for Quins, they are primed for a good clearout for next season though and that would give them cap to play with. To Scrumhead's point now would be a great time to get involved as a head coach because you can help finish the recruitment to what you want and any mild improvement you can bring will be welcomed with open arms. Joining in the summer you are going to be given a squad. Stopping Quins extending Lewies and Launchbury again for instance might be a priority.

[Mellsblue]

we destroy our ethos by signing people like Harry Williams.

Explain this one to me.

[Mikey Brown]

Per Wiki the Quins coaching staff is.

First Team Coaching

Attack and backs Coach - Nick Evans
Scrum and transition coach - Adam Jones
Defence Coach - Jason Gilmore
Skills and transition coach - Gerrard Mullen
Lead rugby transition coach - England Matt Ferguson

That's a fairly small staff and does lack an overall leadership figure.

The squad isn't terrible, it's not great either but it really shouldn't be scraping along the bottom of the table and in genuine danger of finishing bottom. I may have predicted a fairly low finish for Quins at the start of the season but I thought they'd be competitive and edged out not walkovers with their defence coach/interim head coach saying the season was over days into the new year.

England women don't play until April, can Quins borrow Louis Deacon for a couple of months to put some steel back into that pack. Former head coach Andy Friend is available after leaving Connacht I think. There's got to be options available.

The squad just isn't balanced, though... It's not been for years, and we just keep buying sticky plasters. And it's compounded by the fact we just cannot keep any players fit, and we destroy our ethos by signing people like Harry Williams. It's just...

Yeah, I've fallen out of love with rugby over the past few years anyway. Partly due to the fact I have no one IRL to watch it with, but partly because, imo, the standard has just dropped outside of top international sides. Or maybe it's just because I watch Quins. But compared to the way we were playing a few seasons ago...this is poor. Very poor.

The ethos bit is the bit that seems confused for me. Yes, Quins were a run it heavy side back when they were competing at the top but they always had a good set piece and a ferocious defence with it, particularly at the breakdown. Those things seem to have slowly been eroded, the attack but gets front and centre coverage but it's the other bits that are holding Quins back. A pack with Turner, Dombrandt and Kenningham in it should be a menace at the breakdown and with Petti and CCS in there the opposition tight carriers should be worried about their ribs. Doesn't translate onto the pitch.

Some of the signings could have been a lot better for Quins, they are primed for a good clearout for next season though and that would give them cap to play with. To Scrumhead's point now would be a great time to get involved as a head coach because you can help finish the recruitment to what you want and any mild improvement you can bring will be welcomed with open arms. Joining in the summer you are going to be given a squad. Stopping Quins extending Lewies and Launchbury again for instance might be a priority.

Yep. I’m boring myself with how many times I’ve said it, but we love the knackered, injury-prone, ex-international (that probably appears like a bargain for some reason) especially at lock.

Someone like Petti coming in and looking so underwhelming is disappointing though. I was excited about that signing but haven’t really had the chance to see him play for us.

[Epaminondas Pules]

One silver lining for Quins was a prem debut for Elliot Williams at only 18 years old. Most pleasing was his scrum work. Talk about rock solid behind his prop!

Just watched again and at Hobson’s last scrum he gets folded in half. His only problem being Williams is rock solid and doesn’t move an inch so Hobson gets concertinered between the opposing tighthead and his own lock!

[Stom]

we destroy our ethos by signing people like Harry Williams.

Explain this one to me.

Sharing anti-covid nonsense along with Hepburn and Slade. Not a fan.

[Puja]

Looking at their fixtures and other than Gloucester at home, they look like they’ll lose every single game for the rest of the season. something may spark at some point but they look like a zombie side waiting for the season to end where hopefully they’ll appoint an entirely new coaching team.

Newcastle away to come - lose that and they could genuinely finish bottom.

Puja

[Mellsblue]

we destroy our ethos by signing people like Harry Williams.

Explain this one to me.

Sharing anti-covid nonsense along with Hepburn and Slade. Not a fan.

Why does that destroy Quins’ ethos?

[Danno]

Explain this one to me.

Sharing anti-covid nonsense along with Hepburn and Slade. Not a fan.

Why does that destroy Quins’ ethos?

Not liking cunts.

[Beasties]

Just watched this game, brilliant for us neutrals.

Saints are just a joy to watch.
Hendy is in a rich vein of form.
And that lad Williams is gonna be mahoosive when he becomes a man.
And the ref was very clear and controlled things well.