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J Dory wrote:

Vengeful Glutton wrote:Black Lives Matter outraged....

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07 ... limelight/

A few fuckwits on twitter = "Black LIves Matter outraged..". Well done.

First World problems.

J Dory wrote:

Vengeful Glutton wrote:Black Lives Matter outraged....

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07 ... limelight/

A few fuckwits on twitter = "Black LIves Matter outraged..". Well done.

Looks like they worked hard to find a tweet by some twat that would discredit the noble Black Lives Matter cause. So who's exploiting the mass murder in Nice then?

rowan wrote:

J Dory wrote:

Vengeful Glutton wrote:Black Lives Matter outraged....

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07 ... limelight/

A few fuckwits on twitter = "Black LIves Matter outraged..". Well done.

Looks like they worked hard to find a tweet by some twat that would discredit the noble Black Lives Matter cause. So who's exploiting the mass murder in Nice then?

Well, some people have been exploiting it to push their anti-western agenda.

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:

J Dory wrote:
A few fuckwits on twitter = "Black LIves Matter outraged..". Well done.

Looks like they worked hard to find a tweet by some twat that would discredit the noble Black Lives Matter cause. So who's exploiting the mass murder in Nice then?

Well, some people have been exploiting it to push their anti-western agenda.

Unless you're talking about Hollande's attempt to link it to the war on Syria, I'm not aware of anyone really blaming the West for this. A few articles have certainly pointed the finger at Islam and the Middle East, however, without explicitly laying the blame there just yet. I'm sure they're searching this guy's home upside down right now looking for any shred of evidence which might link him to terrorism, even if only as a sympathiser to one or another of the root causes.

rowan wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:
Looks like they worked hard to find a tweet by some twat that would discredit the noble Black Lives Matter cause. So who's exploiting the mass murder in Nice then?

Well, some people have been exploiting it to push their anti-western agenda.

Unless you're talking about Hollande's attempt to link it to the war on Syria, I'm not aware of anyone really blaming the West for this. A few articles have certainly pointed the finger at Islam and the Middle East, however, without explicitly laying the blame there just yet. I'm sure they're searching this guy's home upside down right now looking for any shred of evidence which might link him to terrorism, even if only as a sympathiser to one or another of the root causes.

I was thinking more of the following quote.

rowan wrote:NATO is waging was across the Middle East, refugees are flooding into Europe, and France already has a Muslim population of 5 million, many of whom endure great hardship and descrimination. This is a recipe for disaster. But the media will soon tell us that ISIS has claimed it, thereby drawing attention away from the real issues involved, and creating the image of some Islamic terrorist super power which is capable of striking anywhere at any moment - thus serving as the pretext for continued NATO involvement in the Middle East . . .

So you, Stones of Granite, are an apologist for NATO's imperialist wars across the Middle East. Now I get it.

rowan wrote:So you, Stones of Granite, are an apologist for NATO's imperialist wars across the Middle East. Now I get it.

What I am not is someone who uses the deaths of innocent people coupled with baseless speculation to push a particular agenda.
I find it utterly disgusting.

I disagree. I think you just did that. I think you exploited the deaths of these people to launch an unprovoked attack on me because you are an apologist for NATO's wars in the Middle East and objected to the fact that I raised the issue. But this is a forum where people discuss and analyse politics, and it would be ridiculous to suggest that NATO's wars in the Middle East are not relevant. This is not an obituary column where we are confined to expressing our sorrows and condolences. Your sordid comments have revealed you as nothing less than an apologist for policies which are estimated to have killed as many as 8 million Muslims since the beginning of the 1990s, and then you have the gall to weep crocodile tears over the deaths of 84 people in France at the hands of a lunatic. That's a pretty good definition of "utterly disgusting."

rowan wrote:I disagree. I think you just did that. I think you exploited the deaths of these people to launch an unprovoked attack on me because you are an apologist for NATO's wars in the Middle East and objected to the fact that I raised the issue. But this is a forum where people discuss and analyse politics, and it would be ridiculous to suggest that NATO's wars in the Middle East are not relevant. This is not an obituary column where we are confined to expressing our sorrows and condolences. Your sordid comments have revealed you as nothing less than an apologist for policies which are estimated to have killed as many as 8 million Muslims since the beginning of the 1990s, and then you have the gall to weep crocodile tears over the deaths of 84 people in France at the hands of a lunatic. That's a pretty good definition of "utterly disgusting."

Very lucid and whatnot, but unfortunately this all, ALL, rides on the assumption that SoG has used "NATO's wars in the Middle East" to build an argument against you in some way. He hasn't even mentioned it. Your hysteria is your undoing, Rolo Polo. Your eagerness to turn EVERY FWCING THREAD into an anti-US polemic has been by turns interesting, pitiful, boring and amusing. It's really about time you let your pathological hatred of 1st world English speaking countries run its course. Unless you want to cut out the interesting and amusing parts (in truth these ended a while ago) and continue to be, by turns, pitiful and boring.

Donny Osmond - another apologist for NATO's wars in the Middle East. It is not "Anti-US polemic" to discuss the issue when we are talking about terrorism in Europe. On the contrary, it is very clearly as relevant as scrums are to rugby. It turns out that this probably was not an act of terrorism, but unfortunately it was initially reported as such where I'm sitting. As soon as I got a clearer idea of what had actually occurred I immediately shifted the attention away from the Middle East and focused it on domestic issues instead. Did you miss that part, Donny? So your eagerness to attack someone who is simply commenting on an issue which has been introduced to this forum (by someone else) by analysing the information as it comes to light, is what is truly pitiful and boring hysteria, but not the least amusing. You too have exploited the deaths of these 84 people to promote your own denialist agenda and pathological Islamophobic hatred.

Here we go, I suggest you educate yourselves, boys:

Hollande’s reference to IS in Syria, in this regard, misses the mark. Because France is not just waging war in Syria. France is waging war much closer to home, precisely where this criminal black market supply network links up: North Africa.

This is the eighth point: The persistence with which France is being targeted can only be explained by the escalation of a secretive war with IS being carried out just across the border in the Maghreb.

Over the last half decade, Islamist militant factions affiliated to both the Islamic State and al-Qaeda have dramatically expanded their foothold in North Africa. Spurred by the vacuum left from the aborted NATO war on Libya, which successfully ousted deposed Muammar Gaddafi but left the country in a state of internecine civil war, Islamist groups have found a new base there.

Libya is now the perfect springboard for Islamist militants to expand their reach across North Africa and the Sahel.

The result is patchwork of rapidly growing cells of jihadists loyal to multiple terrorist franchises: Ansar al-Shariah, Al Mourabitoun, Boko Haram, al-Qaeda in the Maghreb, and Islamic State.

The militants have also set up shop in Mali, even more so in the wake France’s intervention there. Launched in 2013 to rollback an Islamist militant uprising in the north, the intervention has converted into a semi-colonial arrangement.

France now has a permanent military presence in Mali, but as Human Rights Watch (HRW) finds in its World Report 2016, security continues to deteriorate with increased attacks from Islamist groups and abuses by Mali government forces. The French military presence has seen an intensification of Islamic violence, which has “increased in the north and spread into central and southern Mali,” according to HRW.

But the brutality of the France-backed Mali regime has only served to vindicate the Islamists.

France’s war has swept across the region. There are now about 3,500 French troops stationed across military bases in Mali, Mauritania, Niger, Burkina Faso and Chad, which is the command and control hub for a regional American-French military-security complex.

In addition to the French, US Special Operations forces are engaged in a secret programme to establish elite counterterrorism units in Niger, Mali, Mauritania and Libya.

But as noted in Foreign Affairs by Nathaniel Powell, a specialist in the history of French military interventions, this operation “may be doing more harm than good, since it provides crucial support to the repressive governments that are at the heart of the Sahel’s problems”.

More here: http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/ni ... 2054902305

If only I could bottle faux outrage and crocodile tears.

Indeed What happened last night was horrible. Nobody's trying to trivialise it. Quite the opposite, in fact.

rowan wrote:Indeed What happened last night was horrible. Nobody's trying to trivialise it. Quite the opposite, in fact.

rowan wrote:Donny Osmond - another apologist for NATO's wars in the Middle East. It is not "Anti-US polemic" to discuss the issue when we are talking about terrorism in Europe. On the contrary, it is very clearly as relevant as scrums are to rugby. It turns out that this probably was not an act of terrorism, but unfortunately it was initially reported as such where I'm sitting. As soon as I got a clearer idea of what had actually occurred I immediately shifted the attention away from the Middle East and focused it on domestic issues instead. Did you miss that part, Donny? So your eagerness to attack someone who is simply commenting on an issue which has been introduced to this forum (by someone else) by analysing the information as it comes to light, is what is truly pitiful and boring hysteria, but not the least amusing. You too have exploited the deaths of these 84 people to promote your own denialist agenda and pathological Islamophobic hatred.

Boringly pitiful. Pitifully boring. Quote 1 single point I've made about "NATO's wars in the Middle East".

Throw an insult, obliquely reference something completely unrelated, squeal hysterically for longer and louder until the grown-ups lose interest, then pat yourself on the back for being sooooooo clever. I might get t-shirts printed for you and your brethren.

rowan wrote:I disagree. I think you just did that. I think you exploited the deaths of these people to launch an unprovoked attack on me because you are an apologist for NATO's wars in the Middle East and objected to the fact that I raised the issue. But this is a forum where people discuss and analyse politics, and it would be ridiculous to suggest that NATO's wars in the Middle East are not relevant. This is not an obituary column where we are confined to expressing our sorrows and condolences. Your sordid comments have revealed you as nothing less than an apologist for policies which are estimated to have killed as many as 8 million Muslims since the beginning of the 1990s, and then you have the gall to weep crocodile tears over the deaths of 84 people in France at the hands of a lunatic. That's a pretty good definition of "utterly disgusting."

Logic never was your strong point.
Your anti-western polemic was made before the blood had had time to dry on the streets of Nice, and now you're just deflecting.

Donny osmond wrote:

rowan wrote:Donny Osmond - another apologist for NATO's wars in the Middle East. It is not "Anti-US polemic" to discuss the issue when we are talking about terrorism in Europe. On the contrary, it is very clearly as relevant as scrums are to rugby. It turns out that this probably was not an act of terrorism, but unfortunately it was initially reported as such where I'm sitting. As soon as I got a clearer idea of what had actually occurred I immediately shifted the attention away from the Middle East and focused it on domestic issues instead. Did you miss that part, Donny? So your eagerness to attack someone who is simply commenting on an issue which has been introduced to this forum (by someone else) by analysing the information as it comes to light, is what is truly pitiful and boring hysteria, but not the least amusing. You too have exploited the deaths of these 84 people to promote your own denialist agenda and pathological Islamophobic hatred.

Boringly pitiful. Pitifully boring. Quote 1 single point I've made about "NATO's wars in the Middle East".

Throw an insult, obliquely reference something completely unrelated, squeal hysterically for longer and louder until the grown-ups lose interest, then pat yourself on the back for being sooooooo clever. I might get t-shirts printed for you and your brethren.

Yet again, Donny, it is YOU throwing insults at other posters.

Donny osmond wrote:

rowan wrote:Donny Osmond - another apologist for NATO's wars in the Middle East. It is not "Anti-US polemic" to discuss the issue when we are talking about terrorism in Europe. On the contrary, it is very clearly as relevant as scrums are to rugby. It turns out that this probably was not an act of terrorism, but unfortunately it was initially reported as such where I'm sitting. As soon as I got a clearer idea of what had actually occurred I immediately shifted the attention away from the Middle East and focused it on domestic issues instead. Did you miss that part, Donny? So your eagerness to attack someone who is simply commenting on an issue which has been introduced to this forum (by someone else) by analysing the information as it comes to light, is what is truly pitiful and boring hysteria, but not the least amusing. You too have exploited the deaths of these 84 people to promote your own denialist agenda and pathological Islamophobic hatred.

Boringly pitiful. Pitifully boring. Quote 1 single point I've made about "NATO's wars in the Middle East".

Throw an insult, obliquely reference something completely unrelated, squeal hysterically for longer and louder until the grown-ups lose interest, then pat yourself on the back for being sooooooo clever. I might get t-shirts printed for you and your brethren.

What he means is, that anyone who offers any criticism of his polemics is an apologist for blah blah.

Before they discovered it was a lone-wolf loon ... Doh!

Rep. Peter King (R-NY) said Thursday that U.S. intelligence agencies have to “surveil the Muslim communities, watch them more carefully” given what happened in Nice.

“We have to forget about hurting people’s feelings,” he told Megyn Kelly on Fox News. “The fact is there are people out there who want to kill us.”

“There are people in the Muslim community. It’s a small minority, but they are there.”

“If we hold back, it’s looked upon as a sign of weakness,” King said. “We have to have more surveillance.

Also on Fox News Thursday, Zuhdi Jasser, a commentator who has spread Islamophobia in the U.S. and is well-known for his conspiracy theories about Islam, said that defeating terrorism means defeating “political Islam” and the “sharia state.”
Jasser called for describing terrorism and violent extremism as “violent Islamism” instead and said Western governments need to look at the “pre-cursor ideologies.”

He also said no leaders of Arab countries will do more because “they’re drinking from the same drug, the intoxicant of theocratic Islam, the sharia state.”

Donald Trump military adviser and retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn blamed all Muslim leaders on Fox News Thursday and called for leaders of Muslim countries to condemn “this radical form of this ideology in their bloodstream and declare that this thing cannot exist on this planet.”

In next 24 hours, I dare Arab & Persian world "leaders" to step up to the plate and declare their Islamic ideology sick and must B healed.

“I want these leaders in this Muslim world that have this radical Islamic ideology festering, metastasizing, to stand up, and stand up tonight and be counted, and say something to condemn this attack that we have just seen,” he added before claiming that “this is a world war.”

Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) called for halting Syrian refugee resettlement in the U.S. on Friday morning — though the attacker is French — and halting immigration from any countries “considered to be hotbeds of terrorism.”

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2016/07/ ... ce-attack/

rowan wrote:Before they discovered it was a lone-wolf loon ... Doh!

Rep. Peter King (R-NY) said Thursday that U.S. intelligence agencies have to “surveil the Muslim communities, watch them more carefully” given what happened in Nice.

“We have to forget about hurting people’s feelings,” he told Megyn Kelly on Fox News. “The fact is there are people out there who want to kill us.”

“There are people in the Muslim community. It’s a small minority, but they are there.”

“If we hold back, it’s looked upon as a sign of weakness,” King said. “We have to have more surveillance.

Also on Fox News Thursday, Zuhdi Jasser, a commentator who has spread Islamophobia in the U.S. and is well-known for his conspiracy theories about Islam, said that defeating terrorism means defeating “political Islam” and the “sharia state.”
Jasser called for describing terrorism and violent extremism as “violent Islamism” instead and said Western governments need to look at the “pre-cursor ideologies.”

He also said no leaders of Arab countries will do more because “they’re drinking from the same drug, the intoxicant of theocratic Islam, the sharia state.”

Donald Trump military adviser and retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn blamed all Muslim leaders on Fox News Thursday and called for leaders of Muslim countries to condemn “this radical form of this ideology in their bloodstream and declare that this thing cannot exist on this planet.”

In next 24 hours, I dare Arab & Persian world "leaders" to step up to the plate and declare their Islamic ideology sick and must B healed.

“I want these leaders in this Muslim world that have this radical Islamic ideology festering, metastasizing, to stand up, and stand up tonight and be counted, and say something to condemn this attack that we have just seen,” he added before claiming that “this is a world war.”

Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) called for halting Syrian refugee resettlement in the U.S. on Friday morning — though the attacker is French — and halting immigration from any countries “considered to be hotbeds of terrorism.”

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2016/07/ ... ce-attack/

They appear to be about as quick at jumping to conclusions as you are.

Neighbours told the channel he was not particularly interested in religion, adding that he preferred girls and salsa.
They said that he had been unhappy since he divorce, and that he suffered from financial problems.
Neighbors described him as “depressed and unstable, even agressive” of late. They put this down to his “marital and financial problems”.
One told BFM TV he was “more into women than religion“.
“He (didn’t) pray and like(d) girls and Salsa,” according to BFM’s crime correspondent.

Telegraph

What I want to know is how, in a country on high alert, could the security services allow a man to drive a truck into a pedestrian area with a weapon. It's unbelievable.

UGagain wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:

rowan wrote:Donny Osmond - another apologist for NATO's wars in the Middle East. It is not "Anti-US polemic" to discuss the issue when we are talking about terrorism in Europe. On the contrary, it is very clearly as relevant as scrums are to rugby. It turns out that this probably was not an act of terrorism, but unfortunately it was initially reported as such where I'm sitting. As soon as I got a clearer idea of what had actually occurred I immediately shifted the attention away from the Middle East and focused it on domestic issues instead. Did you miss that part, Donny? So your eagerness to attack someone who is simply commenting on an issue which has been introduced to this forum (by someone else) by analysing the information as it comes to light, is what is truly pitiful and boring hysteria, but not the least amusing. You too have exploited the deaths of these 84 people to promote your own denialist agenda and pathological Islamophobic hatred.

Boringly pitiful. Pitifully boring. Quote 1 single point I've made about "NATO's wars in the Middle East".

Throw an insult, obliquely reference something completely unrelated, squeal hysterically for longer and louder until the grown-ups lose interest, then pat yourself on the back for being sooooooo clever. I might get t-shirts printed for you and your brethren.

Yet again, Donny, it is YOU throwing insults at other posters.

What's your chest size mate?

Once again the fluffy bunnies display their hypocrisy.

It looks like the French police are keeping an open mind at least. 5 arrests have followed the attack. Notwithstanding the mental health issues the attacker had, there is at least the possibility that he was exploited.

I notice ISIS have claimed some responsibility, although that could be just jumping on the bandwagon. Although the fact they do publish attack ideas using weapons like lorries gives rise to the possibility that they inspired the attack, if they didn't actually coordinate it.