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Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: If you follow the house rules then there is no problem. Perhaps you could ask other left leaning posters how often they have been banned?

You can try to make a martyr case for this if you want, but the proof just isn't there.

Suit yourself, but you will kill this place if you carry on like this.

In your opinion.

Yes, your authoritarian mindset will drive away left-wing posters, and you'll be left with a bubble of right-wing fanaticism with some lone dissenting voices that get quieter and quieter. But don't take my word for it - just watch it unfold.

Sandydragon wrote:

UGagain wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
Since you have made this public.

You requested clarification on why you received a warning. It was for ignoring a moderator's instructions. I stated to you, quite clearly, that if you disagreed with my action, you should escalate the complaint to an administrator, as per the rules of the board.

You chose to ignore the process and whine instead. Your call.

You point blank refused to discuss the issues going on here after I offered to do so.

There is no process and you know it.

You want to ban people who you can't win arguments against. You will invent reasons to do so and try to block any means of appeal.

That's the process.

Incorrect. You moaned after receiving a warning for not following a moderator's instruction. I am not going to debate with you why you got that warning, the rules are clear.

This is nothing to do with censorship, plenty of posters routinely offer their opinions on here which I don't agree with, or any of the other moderators for that matter. The issue is one of attitude. Be the martyr if you wish, but any action taken against you is because of your attitude to other posters, not for your views.

Crying about it doesn't change that basic fact.

what was the instruction?

TBH just handing out orders seems a bit off. Why don't you just leave him alone ffs?!?

Jesus Christ lads, look at the state of this. Take a step back, and have a fucking word with yourselves.

Stooo wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

UGagain wrote:

You point blank refused to discuss the issues going on here after I offered to do so.

There is no process and you know it.

You want to ban people who you can't win arguments against. You will invent reasons to do so and try to block any means of appeal.

That's the process.

Incorrect. You moaned after receiving a warning for not following a moderator's instruction. I am not going to debate with you why you got that warning, the rules are clear.

This is nothing to do with censorship, plenty of posters routinely offer their opinions on here which I don't agree with, or any of the other moderators for that matter. The issue is one of attitude. Be the martyr if you wish, but any action taken against you is because of your attitude to other posters, not for your views.

Crying about it doesn't change that basic fact.

what was the instruction?

TBH just handing out orders seems a bit off. Why don't you just leave him alone ffs?!?

This board is modded in the same way as all the others. He was warned about abusing another poster.

Please have a look at the rules of the board, they are pretty clear.

SD why not have a day off ffs?!?!

This place is dying on it's arse. "abusing" another poster?! Do fuck off.

Stooo wrote:SD why not have a day off ffs?!?!

This place is dying on it's arse. "abusing" another poster?! Do fuck off.

We will agree to disagree then.

Sandydragon wrote:

Stooo wrote:SD why not have a day off ffs?!?!

This place is dying on it's arse. "abusing" another poster?! Do fuck off.

We will agree to disagree then.

In other words, you'll ignore the criticism, instead of listening to it. Like I said, this place will die a death if you continue this way.

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Stooo wrote:SD why not have a day off ffs?!?!

This place is dying on it's arse. "abusing" another poster?! Do fuck off.

We will agree to disagree then.

In other words, you'll ignore the criticism, instead of listening to it. Like I said, this place will die a death if you continue this way.

Because your criticism is ill informed. No one has had any sanction against them due to their opinions. You have a perception that moderators are discriminating against leftist posters, yet that is not the case.

How are moderators supposed to take on board your comments when their underlying premise is incorrect?

Sanctions are only issued for breaking the house rules. They are clearly posted and, if anything, we give a significant amount of leeway to posters. However, there are red lines and when they are crossed we will take action.

If you are trying to construct a martyr scenario then you are doing so erroneously. I've explained this to you enough times now, so I'm just going to leave you with your perceptions. I'm not wasting time discussing something that is basically untrue.

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
We will agree to disagree then.

In other words, you'll ignore the criticism, instead of listening to it. Like I said, this place will die a death if you continue this way.

Because your criticism is ill informed. No one has had any sanction against them due to their opinions. You have a perception that moderators are discriminating against leftist posters, yet that is not the case.

How are moderators supposed to take on board your comments when their underlying premise is incorrect?

Sanctions are only issued for breaking the house rules. They are clearly posted and, if anything, we give a significant amount of leeway to posters. However, there are red lines and when they are crossed we will take action.

If you are trying to construct a martyr scenario then you are doing so erroneously. I've explained this to you enough times now, so I'm just going to leave you with your perceptions. I'm not wasting time discussing something that is basically untrue.

It's not just me. I don't want to speak for others, but I have read posts from Stom, UG, Stoo, and even morepork that criticise your modding to some extent. There are probably other posters who find such opinions a damning verdict on the modding here.

Now, you can and probably will choose not to listen to the growing number of voices asking for a less provocative, less selective moderation style, but it would be much better to take the feedback on board. I don't think it's necessary to resign or anything drastic, but it might be helpful to acknowledge this situation, however much you feel the perception does not match reality.

And to prevent such perception in the future, a more credible panel of moderators could only help.

Sandydragon wrote:

Stooo wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
Incorrect. You moaned after receiving a warning for not following a moderator's instruction. I am not going to debate with you why you got that warning, the rules are clear.

This is nothing to do with censorship, plenty of posters routinely offer their opinions on here which I don't agree with, or any of the other moderators for that matter. The issue is one of attitude. Be the martyr if you wish, but any action taken against you is because of your attitude to other posters, not for your views.

Crying about it doesn't change that basic fact.

what was the instruction?

TBH just handing out orders seems a bit off. Why don't you just leave him alone ffs?!?

This board is modded in the same way as all the others. He was warned about abusing another poster.

Please have a look at the rules of the board, they are pretty clear.

Which was a false allegation that you had to construct after the fact by means of logical fallacy.

There was no abuse. There was a political opinion expressed which you found offensive so you ordered me to 'calm down'.

So now I have a new warning issued for apparently in this thread "throwing around the racist term".

WTF?

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:
In other words, you'll ignore the criticism, instead of listening to it. Like I said, this place will die a death if you continue this way.

Because your criticism is ill informed. No one has had any sanction against them due to their opinions. You have a perception that moderators are discriminating against leftist posters, yet that is not the case.

How are moderators supposed to take on board your comments when their underlying premise is incorrect?

Sanctions are only issued for breaking the house rules. They are clearly posted and, if anything, we give a significant amount of leeway to posters. However, there are red lines and when they are crossed we will take action.

If you are trying to construct a martyr scenario then you are doing so erroneously. I've explained this to you enough times now, so I'm just going to leave you with your perceptions. I'm not wasting time discussing something that is basically untrue.

It's not just me. I don't want to speak for others, but I have read posts from Stom, UG, Stoo, and even morepork that criticise your modding to some extent. There are probably other posters who find such opinions a damning verdict on the modding here.

Now, you can and probably will choose not to listen to the growing number of voices asking for a less provocative, less selective moderation style, but it would be much better to take the feedback on board. I don't think it's necessary to resign or anything drastic, but it might be helpful to acknowledge this situation, however much you feel the perception does not match reality.

And to prevent such perception in the future, a more credible panel of moderators could only help.

"I don't want to speak for others, so that's exactly what I'm going to do." Gonna stick up for Sandy on this one, because the person who kicked off all this moaning got temporarily banned because they have a mindset of "If they don't agree with me, it gives me licence to make personal attacks."

Plus I don't think "don't be a shithead" is an unreasonable rule, and if you're going to perpetually skate on the edge of the rules, you're going to slip and slice your balls on the sharp edge of it sooner or later.

UG is like a terrier-huntaway cross in some ways, arguably superficially annoying, slobbering all over you with a stick that you don't want to throw then and there, but a racist he is not.

morepork wrote:UG is like a terrier-huntaway cross in some ways, arguably superficially annoying, slobbering all over you with a stick that you don't want to throw then and there, but a racist he is not.

Yeah that explains why there was a thread of abuse toward me before I even rejoined, I suppose.

If the right don't want to have their grand assertions challenged, they shouldn't make them. Nor should they try to bluff their way through by condescending to those with the facts on their side.

UGagain wrote:

morepork wrote:UG is like a terrier-huntaway cross in some ways, arguably superficially annoying, slobbering all over you with a stick that you don't want to throw then and there, but a racist he is not.

Yeah that explains why there was a thread of abuse toward me before I even rejoined, I suppose.

If the right don't want to have their grand assertions challenged, they shouldn't make them. Nor should they try to bluff their way through by condescending to those with the facts on their side.

Good advice, you'd do well to take it.

I suppose seeing people shit talk you before you even got here would put your back up a tad, but christ almighty, you really need to chill the fuck out, and having a meltdown every time someone calls you a shithead doesn't help.

UGagain wrote:

morepork wrote:UG is like a terrier-huntaway cross in some ways, arguably superficially annoying, slobbering all over you with a stick that you don't want to throw then and there, but a racist he is not.

Yeah that explains why there was a thread of abuse toward me before I even rejoined, I suppose.

If the right don't want to have their grand assertions challenged, they shouldn't make them. Nor should they try to bluff their way through by condescending to those with the facts on their side.

Fuck Right Vs. Left Lassie, everyone on here should be able to put their views out there. I don't think for a minute that you are racist. That is bullshit. If you aren't racist then you are a legitimate part of a dialogue. Just keep saying what you need to say and don't get in the mud.

morepork wrote:

UGagain wrote:

morepork wrote:UG is like a terrier-huntaway cross in some ways, arguably superficially annoying, slobbering all over you with a stick that you don't want to throw then and there, but a racist he is not.

Yeah that explains why there was a thread of abuse toward me before I even rejoined, I suppose.

If the right don't want to have their grand assertions challenged, they shouldn't make them. Nor should they try to bluff their way through by condescending to those with the facts on their side.

Fuck Right Vs. Left Lassie, everyone on here should be able to put their views out there. I don't think for a minute that you are racist. That is bullshit. If you aren't racist then you are a legitimate part of a dialogue. Just keep saying what you need to say and don't get in the mud.

No. He is alleging that I've called someone a racist. Which in the playbook is personal abuse most foul and gets one banned.

In my case, I don't even have to use the term or level it at a poster for it to be an offence.

Any one on the right can say what they want and sling abuse without sanction and even receive encouragement from the mods.

This is blatant censorship and sickening hypocrisy.

Yeah, but it's 10pm and 35 degrees here. I have made an open fire and grilled whole bass. My world is tasty but acutely uncomfortable. The gusset of my skids is like Chernobyl. We now have to eat inside. Think of the children.

UGagain wrote:

No. He is alleging that I've called someone a racist. Which in the playbook is personal abuse most foul and gets one banned.

In my case, I don't even have to use the term or level it at a poster for it to be an offence.

Any one on the right can say what they want and sling abuse without sanction and even receive encouragement from the mods.

This is blatant censorship and sickening hypocrisy.

Uh...

http://rugbyrebels.co/board/viewtopic.p ... 051#p29051

UGagain wrote:I've got to get a screenshot of that particular piece of r---t stupidity.

You don't even understand when you r-----m is r----m, do you?

cashead wrote:

UGagain wrote:

No. He is alleging that I've called someone a racist. Which in the playbook is personal abuse most foul and gets one banned.

In my case, I don't even have to use the term or level it at a poster for it to be an offence.

Any one on the right can say what they want and sling abuse without sanction and even receive encouragement from the mods.

This is blatant censorship and sickening hypocrisy.

Uh...

http://rugbyrebels.co/board/viewtopic.p ... 051#p29051

UGagain wrote:I've got to get a screenshot of that particular piece of r---t stupidity.

You don't even understand when you r-----m is r----m, do you?

Hardly worth a warning. Firstly he's not calling out anyone as a racist, just pointing out what he thinks is racism. In this case, a dispute about European colonization of the near east. Instead of enterring into a discussion about what constitutes racism, Sandy just starts using his mod hammer.

That's not the post I was referring to.

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UGagain wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

UGagain wrote:
Imagine that. Your demand to not even indirectly criticise your ethos.

It is everything to do with censorship.

You can't tolerate people who consistently expose your arguments for the nonsense that they are.

You're full of shit.

Those are the rules you agreed to on joining this place. You get to abide by them, just the same as everyone else.

I didn't agree to you censoring my posts or you banning words.

And don't pretend that that isn't what you've done.

You've deemed that no one is allowed to identify your or your clique's views as f---ism and that you can't be called on your r--ism.

Who the fuck are you to deem this so?

Fuck you.

Mod hammer Kamber?

I suspect most people either don't notice the modding, which is fine, or think it good, which is fine, and either way people would typically be grateful for those giving up their time to mod the boards - so cheers to the mods.

Digby wrote:I suspect most people either don't notice the modding, which is fine, or think it good, which is fine, and either way people would typically be grateful for those giving up their time to mod the boards - so cheers to the mods.

And again we find you speaking for 'most people'. What possesses you to think that you do?

Most people aren't far right authoritarians.

Edinburgh in Exile wrote:Jesus Christ lads, look at the state of this. Take a step back, and have a fucking word with yourselves.

Agreed.
The right wingnuts are a bunch of self fulfilling knuts. Hence Trump.