RugbyRebels

My eldest son is possibly the world's worst cook and would put the Borgias to shame. Even he would struggle to cook up a pot full of Sarin from the contents of the pantry. In terms of rabbit holes, this one is pretty spectacular.

rowan wrote:

cashead wrote:

rowan wrote:Not when he did so explicitly to refute the comment about it being a restaurant in Britain, as anyone but a hapless idiot can see. Really clutching at straws now, aren't you.

It's pretty obvious you were having a go at British cuisine, to which he pointed out it was an Italian restaurant. Like, are you actually forgetting what you wrote?

Like, seriously. All you're proving right now is that you're out of your fucking mind.

It's a British franchise and the pub is in Britain. Stop blaming foreigners. You know what they call that, don't you

But it takes a big man to admit it when he's wrong, not a hapless infant with a massive chip on his shoulder...

Meanwhile, interesting read on rampant Russophobia: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/t ... nt-w517486

Holy shit, he wasn't talking about the ownership of the place, you stupid dumb fucking idiot.

cashead wrote:

rowan wrote:

cashead wrote: It's pretty obvious you were having a go at British cuisine, to which he pointed out it was an Italian restaurant. Like, are you actually forgetting what you wrote?

Like, seriously. All you're proving right now is that you're out of your fucking mind.

It's a British franchise and the pub is in Britain. Stop blaming foreigners. You know what they call that, don't you

But it takes a big man to admit it when he's wrong, not a hapless infant with a massive chip on his shoulder...

Meanwhile, interesting read on rampant Russophobia: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/t ... nt-w517486

Holy shit, he wasn't talking about the ownership of the place, you stupid dumb fucking idiot.

Sometimes Hapless reminds me of a fly after it's just been sprayed, spinning wildly, making lots of noise . . .

Craig Murray's view:

The same people who assured you that Saddam Hussein had WMD’s now assure you Russian “novochok” nerve agents are being wielded by Vladimir Putin to attack people on British soil. As with the Iraqi WMD dossier, it is essential to comb the evidence very finely. A vital missing word from Theresa May’s statement yesterday was “only”. She did not state that the nerve agent used was manufactured ONLY by Russia. She rather stated this group of nerve agents had been “developed by” Russia. Antibiotics were first developed by a Scotsman, but that is not evidence that all antibiotics are today administered by Scots.

Continues here: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... judgement/

"The use of a Novichok in the attack on the Skripals makes it highly likely that Russia was involved, because no one else knows how to make them, says John Lamb at Birmingham City University, UK. “The Novichok family was specifically created by Russia to be unknown in the West and as such it’ll be one of their most tightly guarded secrets,” he says.

Full article here -

https://www.newscientist.com/article/21 ... sia-do-it/

My mind is made up.

Rowan is a total legume. That Italian restaurant sidetrack was some of your best work yet, my little vegetable.

fivepointer wrote:"The use of a Novichok in the attack on the Skripals makes it highly likely that Russia was involved, because no one else knows how to make them, says John Lamb at Birmingham City University, UK. “The Novichok family was specifically created by Russia to be unknown in the West and as such it’ll be one of their most tightly guarded secrets,” he says.

Full article here -

https://www.newscientist.com/article/21 ... sia-do-it/

acetylcholinesterase Inhibitors are the only prescribed course of treatment available for Alzheimer’s. True story

morepork wrote:

That Italian restaurant sidetrack was some of your best work yet, my little vegetable.

Except that I wasn't the one blaming foreigners when it was a British franchise involved....

I was the one proving you all wrong about it. Doh!

acetylcholinesterase Inhibitors are the only prescribed course of treatment available for Alzheimer’s. True story


Here you go, educate yourself, and see how a former British Ambassador completely destroys this transparent Russophobic propaganda . . .

rowan wrote:Craig Murray's view:

The same people who assured you that Saddam Hussein had WMD’s now assure you Russian “novochok” nerve agents are being wielded by Vladimir Putin to attack people on British soil. As with the Iraqi WMD dossier, it is essential to comb the evidence very finely. A vital missing word from Theresa May’s statement yesterday was “only”. She did not state that the nerve agent used was manufactured ONLY by Russia. She rather stated this group of nerve agents had been “developed by” Russia. Antibiotics were first developed by a Scotsman, but that is not evidence that all antibiotics are today administered by Scots.

Continues here: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... judgement/

rowan wrote:

morepork wrote:

That Italian restaurant sidetrack was some of your best work yet, my little vegetable.

Except that I wasn't the one blaming foreigners when it was a British franchise involved....

I was the one proving you all wrong about it. Doh!

acetylcholinesterase Inhibitors are the only prescribed course of treatment available for Alzheimer’s. True story




Here you go, educate yourself, and see how a former British Ambassador completely destroys this transparent Russophobic propaganda . . .

rowan wrote:Craig Murray's view:

The same people who assured you that Saddam Hussein had WMD’s now assure you Russian “novochok” nerve agents are being wielded by Vladimir Putin to attack people on British soil. As with the Iraqi WMD dossier, it is essential to comb the evidence very finely. A vital missing word from Theresa May’s statement yesterday was “only”. She did not state that the nerve agent used was manufactured ONLY by Russia. She rather stated this group of nerve agents had been “developed by” Russia. Antibiotics were first developed by a Scotsman, but that is not evidence that all antibiotics are today administered by Scots.

Continues here: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... judgement/

What has that to do with the pharmacological targeted of dysfunctional cholinergic networks in the major age related dementia burden in the general population? Is it Italian food? You should ask one of the residents in your home. Maybe they could flick you some galantamine.

The Russia thing is just a ruse...it was obviously the Italians!

Joking aside, if it looks like a Russian duck, swims like a Russian duck, quacks like a Russian duck and murders a bunch of its fellow Russian ducks...

It's probably a Russian duck they're looking for.

What I don't get is why May delivers a midnight ultimatum to Russia. What is the point?

Does she think Putin is going to apologize, or offer to look into it?

Is she just posturing for effect?

Either way, the effort is going to seem pretty ineffective. The deadline passes and Russia says "WTF are you on about. Prove it, then come talk to me".

The deadline has passed, Russia don't give a fuck so, now what?

Another 48 hours? (Murphy and Nolte)

Harsh words?

Sanctions?

rowan wrote:

morepork wrote:

That Italian restaurant sidetrack was some of your best work yet, my little vegetable.

Except that I wasn't the one blaming foreigners when it was a British franchise involved....

I was the one proving you all wrong about it. Doh!

Keep banging on that drum. It makes you look like a sane person. You're proving something alright, but it's not what you think.

I mean, really, you'd have to be a Russophobic idiot to believe this, as much as you would've had to have been an Islamophobic idiot to have believed the lies that preceded America's invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya & Syria:

One person who worked with Sergei Skripal in Russia's foreign spy agency when the double agent was based in Moscow is retired colonel Vladimir Koshelev .

Speaking to Euronews, he dismissed the idea that the Kremlin could have been involved in the Salisbury attack.

''We should not to exclude the possibility of another state's participation but which state, that's the big question. Possibly Britain's secret services decided to make use of their former spy, on the other hand it's also possible that, what we might call, a "friendly" secret service took part in this. This is just one possible scenario. I'd like to point out, why not another country which used to be part of the Soviet Union, where there are warehouses with these types of weapons, for instance Ukraine"

Story continues here: http://www.euronews.com/2018/03/13/-why ... n-britain-

rowan wrote:I mean, really, you'd have to be a Russophobic idiot to believe this, as much as you would've had to have been an Islamophobic idiot to have believed the lies that preceded America's invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya & Syria:

One person who worked with Sergei Skripal in Russia's foreign spy agency when the double agent was based in Moscow is retired colonel Vladimir Koshelev .

Speaking to Euronews, he dismissed the idea that the Kremlin could have been involved in the Salisbury attack.

''We should not to exclude the possibility of another state's participation but which state, that's the big question. Possibly Britain's secret services decided to make use of their former spy, on the other hand it's also possible that, what we might call, a "friendly" secret service took part in this. This is just one possible scenario. I'd like to point out, why not another country which used to be part of the Soviet Union, where there are warehouses with these types of weapons, for instance Ukraine"

Story continues here: http://www.euronews.com/2018/03/13/-why ... n-britain-

So, let’s get this straight. We are being asked to believe that a ruler, who is a former KGB agent and who has form in having political opponents murdered (e.g. Boris Nemtsov), and who has openly stated that Russian traitors will be killed, has had no involvement in this, and instead, the British Secret Service has stolen highly secret Russian nerve agent and smuggled it into the UK to carry out a false flag attack.

Right.

Stones of granite wrote:

rowan wrote:I mean, really, you'd have to be a Russophobic idiot to believe this, as much as you would've had to have been an Islamophobic idiot to have believed the lies that preceded America's invasions of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya & Syria:

One person who worked with Sergei Skripal in Russia's foreign spy agency when the double agent was based in Moscow is retired colonel Vladimir Koshelev .

Speaking to Euronews, he dismissed the idea that the Kremlin could have been involved in the Salisbury attack.

''We should not to exclude the possibility of another state's participation but which state, that's the big question. Possibly Britain's secret services decided to make use of their former spy, on the other hand it's also possible that, what we might call, a "friendly" secret service took part in this. This is just one possible scenario. I'd like to point out, why not another country which used to be part of the Soviet Union, where there are warehouses with these types of weapons, for instance Ukraine"

Story continues here: http://www.euronews.com/2018/03/13/-why ... n-britain-

So, let’s get this straight. We are being asked to believe that a ruler, who is a former KGB agent and who has form in having political opponents murdered (e.g. Boris Nemtsov), and who has openly stated that Russian traitors will be killed, has had no involvement in this, and instead, the British Secret Service has stolen highly secret Russian nerve agent and smuggled it into the UK to carry out a false flag attack.

Right.

So we are being asked to believe that Britain, the most warmongering, racist, duplicitous nation in history, which even today is involved in genocidal wars on countries across the Middle East, while supporting a vicious dictatorship in Saudi Arabia and Apartheid in Israel (having basically created those twin evils itself), could not have possibly staged the entire thing which occurred in Britain; and that Vladimir Putin has decided to poison a double agent, whom he personally pardoned and released, for no reason at all, and to do so right on the eve of the Russian elections and a couple of months out from the FIFA World Cup in Russia? & of course he personally rigged the American elections and bombed lots of babies in Syria for fun as well (while preventing NATO from taking it over and installing another puppet government subservient to its whims). Yes, if you are a Russophobic idiot, you might believe all that.

Oh man, the guy that completely misinterpreted "Italian restaurant" in the most convoluted way and flew off the handle is accusing others of being idiots.

WaspInWales wrote:Joking aside, if it looks like a Russian duck, swims like a Russian duck, quacks like a Russian duck and murders a bunch of its fellow Russian ducks...

Yep, but you'd hope we'd have more than the agent used was developed in Russia in breach of the spirit of the ban on their use.

Digby wrote:

WaspInWales wrote:Joking aside, if it looks like a Russian duck, swims like a Russian duck, quacks like a Russian duck and murders a bunch of its fellow Russian ducks...

Yep, but you'd hope we'd have more than the agent used was developed in Russia in breach of the spirit of the ban on their use.

Looks like Russophobic idiots, swims like Russophobic idiots, quacks like Russophobic idiots and believes the Russophobic propaganda of its warmongering Russophobic leadership . . .

Given this is something involving spies, I do wonder if perhaps the double agent turned again and Mi6 did poison him and framed the FSB in the process.

Or indeed Russia is responsible.

Such intrigue is impossible to unravel in my opinion. People shouldn't be naive to the possibility that we did it though.

Zhivago wrote:Given this is something involving spies, I do wonder if perhaps the double agent turned again and Mi6 did poison him and framed the FSB in the process.

Or indeed Russia is responsible.

Such intrigue is impossible to unravel in my opinion. People shouldn't be naive to the possibility that we did it though.

Ok, news just coming in. I've been privy to a snippet of conversation that happened deep in the bowels of the Cabinet Office Briefing Rooms between Theresa May and the heads of the Secret Intelligence Service and the Security Service.

PMTM: Right, you bastards, I am in deep doo-doo here with this fucking Brexit shambles, I want Mi5 to take out that cunt Boris.

Head of Mi5: er.... which Boris, we've got hundreds of the cunts

PMTM: The blond cunt with the floppy hair. Look, I've been looking through Margaret Thatchers playbook of how to get yourself out the shit, and I'm particularly enthusiastic about the chapter "Pick a war with a tinpot dictator". It seems she did pretty well with that one, so I want some of that. Boris
sounds Russian, make it look like the fucking Russians did it, then threaten to bomb the shit out the cunts.

Head of Mi6: Wait a cotton-picking moment here, according to my sources, the Russians have got lots of whiz-bangy stuff. Are you sure you want to go annoying them?

Head of Mi5: er,....I'm still not really sure which Boris you want topped, there are few blond Boris's.

PMTM: Look you dizzy cunt, if you can't find the right Boris, I'll give the job to Mi6.

Head of Mi5: but, but, you can't do that! Assassinations within the UK are my job!!!

Head of Mi6: I've got a better idea than topping Boris. We've got this cunt on the books, ex-Russian spy, costing us a fortune with his expensive eating habits, and if we slip him some Russian nerve agent that we recently acquired through nefarious means, then it will definitely look like the Russians did it.

Head of Mi5: wait, are you really sure you want to do that? For fuck's sake the Conservative party practically runs on Russian donations, and the property market in London will tank if the Russkies pull out.

PMTM: I don't give a fuck!! I need to create a smokescreen to cover this arsefucking I'm getting from the EU....Wait! Russian nerve agent? Any chance you could slip some to Michel Barnier?

rest of conversation is lost in noise.

I'm in Nantes, France this week.
Last night I went into town for a meal and selected an Indian Restaurant for a change from fois gras and steak frites.
What a poor choice. The food was poor quality and bland, but wait! The Restaurant is owned by a French company!

What conclusion should I draw from this?

Clearly, all French cuisine is shite.

This message brought to you by the power of Rowan's branded stick-your-head-up-your-arse-and-talk-a-lot-of-shite logic algorithm.

I think we can rule out an attempt to meddle in the Russian elections. Mainly as it’s not really an election but also because I doubt this would displease the supporters of the Putin strong man act, if anything they’ll be praising him. Even if it did persuade a few that he’s a nutter I doubt it would induce the collapse in support required. Even Nick Timothy couldn’t lose an election with a 97% rating in the polls.

I doubt it’s UK actors as it’s a ‘bit’ too headline grabbing. There are probably a hundred plus ways to make him disappear that wouldn’t trouble page 52 of the Guardian let alone lead the 10 o’clock news.

Luckily, Comrade Corbyn has decided to focus on Russian donations to the Conservative party, despite them being Russophobic.

Im suprised our friends on the left haven’t blamed it on the English/western hedge funded that served the Italian food, in a stodgy British way, and therefore, by extension, capitalism. It’s certainly more plausible than a few theories on here.

Zhivago wrote:Given this is something involving spies, I do wonder if perhaps the double agent turned again and Mi6 did poison him and framed the FSB in the process.

Or indeed Russia is responsible.

Such intrigue is impossible to unravel in my opinion. People shouldn't be naive to the possibility that we did it though.

Good comments. We can't rule out anything, of course, and probably the real culprits will never be known for sure. Cui bono? I don't see a plausible motive for Russia doing it, while there is a plausible motive for Britain - wanting to demonize Putin on the eve of the Russian elections. He has thwarted NATO's rapacious plans in Syria, of course, which is the very reason Russophobic racism has reached fever pitch over the past couple of years.

Meanwhile, these guys still haven't got over the fact I proved them wrong about the restaurant being Italian.

Hmmm, what else has Theresa May been up to lately . . . ?

Saudi Arabia is near a long-delayed deal to buy 48 Typhoon fighters. The country’s military already have 72; some are being used in Yemen. The Campaign Against Arms Trade says the UK has licensed £4.6bn of arms sales to Riyadh since the bombardment began in 2015. Though Theresa May reportedly raised her “deep concerns” about the war with the crown prince, Britain boasts of providing humanitarian aid while supplying the weapons that fuel the world’s worst manmade humanitarian crisis and supporting the Saudi air campaign.

The UN says that 8.5 million Yemenis are at risk of famine. Its humanitarian chief describes conditions as “catastrophic”. The shattered health system battles diphtheria and cholera. The country’s new special envoy, former British diplomat Martin Griffiths, must try to revive the moribund attempts to find a political exit. Whatever the hopes of the Saudi crown prince, there is not a military solution.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... tains-duty

Why is dislike of a repressive oligarchy the same as dislike of a country the sods at the top are dictating to? I suspect many who have huge problems with Putin and Co aren't remotely Russia phobic.