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[Mikey Brown]

What do you want me to say? Maybe that’s an unfair phrase to use, as I said. But whether she’s genuinely callous or just out of her depth it impacts people’s lives.

I’m sure there are lots of good people across the board, but we see her wilfully misleading people and her actions don’t seem to correlate with what she preaches.

It’s a fairly thankless task I suppose. If you’re reading this Jo I’m sorry I called you a scumbag but please try and do better.

[fivepointer]

Swinson is no scum bag. I'd take her ahead of Johnson and Corbyn in a heartbeat, but its fair to say that she and the LibDem campaign havent struck the chords that i thought they would do.

The most impressive leader has been Adam Price of Plaid Cymru.

[Banquo]

Meanwhile, bloody Farage looks on cackling...'my work here is done'.

[Sandydragon]

Swinson is no scum bag. I'd take her ahead of Johnson and Corbyn in a heartbeat, but its fair to say that she and the LibDem campaign havent struck the chords that i thought they would do.

The most impressive leader has been Adam Price of Plaid Cymru.

Totally agree about Price. He comes across very well and seems to put practicalities and facts over ideology.

[Digby]

Swinson is no scum bag. I'd take her ahead of Johnson and Corbyn in a heartbeat, but its fair to say that she and the LibDem campaign havent struck the chords that i thought they would do.

The most impressive leader has been Adam Price of Plaid Cymru.

Totally agree about Price. He comes across very well and seems to put practicalities and facts over ideology.

Right up until he has to talk budgets

[Banquo]

Swinson is no scum bag. I'd take her ahead of Johnson and Corbyn in a heartbeat, but its fair to say that she and the LibDem campaign havent struck the chords that i thought they would do.

The most impressive leader has been Adam Price of Plaid Cymru.

Totally agree about Price. He comes across very well and seems to put practicalities and facts over ideology.

Right up until he has to talk budgets

hardly alone there!

[Which Tyler]

Well, posted my vote off today.
I've not been impressed by the Lib Dems this campaign, but (apparently) they've got the best chance of beating our ERG twatopotamus, so they got my vote.

https://tactical.vote/compare?

[Stom]

So I'm back in the UK and my parents get The Times.

Any mention of Amazon and the NHS? Nope.
Any mention of what Arlene Foster said? Nope.
Any mention of what some random Jewish guy said about Corbyn? Hell Yeah!

It's truly abysmal.

There's even been an analysis of stories that shows almost a quarter of all screentime has been on the Tories 2 main topics (Brexit and tax), while only 13% has been on Labour's 2 main topics (Health and the environment).

Now I can understand Brexit being high on the agenda, but tax? More than the NHS?

[Mellsblue]

Tax isn’t one of Labour’s main topics?!?!?!? Are you joking. I’d assume it’s being talked about as the tax plans of the two main parties are so radically different. Both are pumping a shed load more money into the NHS. There’s not much to go at there.

I’m scrolling through the content of my digital Times. Can’t see anything about ‘some random Jewish guy’. What are you referencing? I also can’t see anything about Arlene Foster but she’s not one of two people who could be PM by the weekend, so I can see why it might not be covered.

As for what is in The Times. Lead article is about Boris visiting Labour heartlands, ie where the election will be won and lost. Labour get about as many words during the piece as the Conservatives do. There are then three articles on the Conservatives, one on how Whitehall don’t think we’ll be out of the EU at the end of next year and four pieces on Labour. That looks an awful lot like Labour come off better. The final piece on Labour is about how they are dominating the Conservatives on Instagram, with 4 million views compared to 1.2 million.

The social media bias towards Labour and Remain is truly abysmal. It’s a conspiracy to disenfranchise the elderly and brain wash the young!! (Did I do that correctly?)

[Stom]

Oh, and as a migrant myself, this nonsense is utterly terrible. Where are the other politicians calling it out? not just Sturgeon?

[Mellsblue]

Yep. It’s a terrible thing to say. Sad thing is he doesn’t really believe that but knows it plays well in Labour’s heartlands. You know you’ve messed up when you let Sturgeon take the moral high ground. Probably suits her to distract from recent poor results of Scottish schools and the plummeting trust in the SNP to run the NHS in Scotland.

[Digby]

Does this mean Boris now thinks rich Russians should actually have to pay their tax? Is that the migrants he was talking about?

[Stom]

Does this mean Boris now thinks rich Russians should actually have to pay their tax? Is that the migrants he was talking about?

Remember, rich white migrants are called "expats".

[Mellsblue]

Just caught up with Arlene Foster’s intervention. Funny how she’s a liar when you disagree with her but a paragon of truth when she’s on your side. Boris is lying about checks in the Irish Sea, but normally on this board we are told you can’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth.

[Stom]

Just caught up with Arlene Foster’s intervention. Funny how she’s a liar when you disagree with her but a paragon of truth when she’s on your side. Boris is lying about checks in the Irish Sea, but normally on this board we are told you can’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth.

Oh, I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be reported...

Otherwise Boris would never be seen!!!

I'm just amazed at some opinions. My dad is adamant the BBC is biased against the Tories. And I just have to keep trying to point things out to him.

Like basic principles of capitalism. Or what the proposed taxation changes of each party mean for him.

And people like him are all going to go out and vote for bloody Boris.

The UK needs a root and branch reform of the press.

Reading The Times made me so damn sad. Let me just post some of the headlines...

Johnson to blitz seats in Labour heartlands (PM will warn of 'great betrayal' under Corbyn)
Johnson vows end to migrants 'treating Britain as their own' (with a picture of him and other ministers smiling)
McDonnell admits antisemitism has harmed campaign
Corbyn tried to gag press
NHS leader attacks Labour and Tories for misleading promises (his quotes don't seem to talk about Labour at all)
Lofty ambitions for railways look like pie in the sky

And that's not as bad as Sat or Friday.

[Stom]

Oh, and the image of the boy on the floor? Page 11 and only mentioned once in paragraph 12 of a minor column (the one about the NHS leader attacking Labour when he doesn't appear to have).

[Stom]

Oh, and where's the story about Amazon getting access to NHS data for free?

[Stom]

Seriously, it's no wonder my parents always think I'm a conspiracy theorist when I tell them things. It's insane.

[Mellsblue]

Just caught up with Arlene Foster’s intervention. Funny how she’s a liar when you disagree with her but a paragon of truth when she’s on your side. Boris is lying about checks in the Irish Sea, but normally on this board we are told you can’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth.

Oh, I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be reported...

Otherwise Boris would never be seen!!!

I'm just amazed at some opinions. My dad is adamant the BBC is biased against the Tories. And I just have to keep trying to point things out to him.

Like basic principles of capitalism. Or what the proposed taxation changes of each party mean for him.

And people like him are all going to go out and vote for bloody Boris.

The UK needs a root and branch reform of the press.

Reading The Times made me so damn sad. Let me just post some of the headlines...

Johnson to blitz seats in Labour heartlands (PM will warn of 'great betrayal' under Corbyn)
Johnson vows end to migrants 'treating Britain as their own' (with a picture of him and other ministers smiling)
McDonnell admits antisemitism has harmed campaign
Corbyn tried to gag press
NHS leader attacks Labour and Tories for misleading promises (his quotes don't seem to talk about Labour at all)
Lofty ambitions for railways look like pie in the sky

And that's not as bad as Sat or Friday.

Going off this post and many previous, your idea of free press seems to be that they should only print what you agree with.

So, who are the BBC bias against? Your Dad thinks the right, loads of people think the left.

Struggling to see what makes you sad with any of those headlines. Unless it’s they’re all negative rather than than you think it shows bias. In which case, I’d agree. You’ve also missed the one about the Whitehall leak about not leaving the EU by the end of next year, as promised by Boris. That’s a big negative against Bozza.

I think your best idea is not to talk to your dad about politics if you think he’s so uneducated about the subject.

[Mellsblue]

Oh, and where's the story about Amazon getting access to NHS data for free?

Here. Note the date.

[Stom]

Just caught up with Arlene Foster’s intervention. Funny how she’s a liar when you disagree with her but a paragon of truth when she’s on your side. Boris is lying about checks in the Irish Sea, but normally on this board we are told you can’t believe a word that comes out of her mouth.

Oh, I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be reported...

Otherwise Boris would never be seen!!!

I'm just amazed at some opinions. My dad is adamant the BBC is biased against the Tories. And I just have to keep trying to point things out to him.

Like basic principles of capitalism. Or what the proposed taxation changes of each party mean for him.

And people like him are all going to go out and vote for bloody Boris.

The UK needs a root and branch reform of the press.

Reading The Times made me so damn sad. Let me just post some of the headlines...

Johnson to blitz seats in Labour heartlands (PM will warn of 'great betrayal' under Corbyn)
Johnson vows end to migrants 'treating Britain as their own' (with a picture of him and other ministers smiling)
McDonnell admits antisemitism has harmed campaign
Corbyn tried to gag press
NHS leader attacks Labour and Tories for misleading promises (his quotes don't seem to talk about Labour at all)
Lofty ambitions for railways look like pie in the sky

And that's not as bad as Sat or Friday.

Going off this post and many previous, your idea of free press seems to be that they should only print what you agree with.

So, who are the BBC bias against? Your Dad thinks the right, loads of people think the left.

Struggling to see what makes you sad with any of those headlines. Unless it’s they’re all negative rather than than you think it shows bias. In which case, I’d agree. You’ve also missed the one about the Whitehall leak about not leaving the EU by the end of next year, as promised by Boris. That’s a big negative against Bozza.

I think your best idea is not to talk to your dad about politics if you think he’s so uneducated about the subject.

The BBC I think generally does a good job of being unbiased. It sometimes allows too much extremity in the quest to allow all voices, and different parts of it have some inbuilt biases (the economists are slightly biased toward conservatism because that's what they've been taught, as I've grown up I don't hold it against them).

I missed the Whitehall leak because it wasn't a headline, it was a minor box within the migrants article.

And I just checked Sunday's paper for the Amazon article and it's another small box on page 4.

[Digby]

I don't imagine there's a lack of left wing publications, just a lack of people buying them

[Mellsblue]

Oh, I don't believe a word that comes out of her mouth. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be reported...

Otherwise Boris would never be seen!!!

I'm just amazed at some opinions. My dad is adamant the BBC is biased against the Tories. And I just have to keep trying to point things out to him.

Like basic principles of capitalism. Or what the proposed taxation changes of each party mean for him.

And people like him are all going to go out and vote for bloody Boris.

The UK needs a root and branch reform of the press.

Reading The Times made me so damn sad. Let me just post some of the headlines...

Johnson to blitz seats in Labour heartlands (PM will warn of 'great betrayal' under Corbyn)
Johnson vows end to migrants 'treating Britain as their own' (with a picture of him and other ministers smiling)
McDonnell admits antisemitism has harmed campaign
Corbyn tried to gag press
NHS leader attacks Labour and Tories for misleading promises (his quotes don't seem to talk about Labour at all)
Lofty ambitions for railways look like pie in the sky

And that's not as bad as Sat or Friday.

Going off this post and many previous, your idea of free press seems to be that they should only print what you agree with.

So, who are the BBC bias against? Your Dad thinks the right, loads of people think the left.

Struggling to see what makes you sad with any of those headlines. Unless it’s they’re all negative rather than than you think it shows bias. In which case, I’d agree. You’ve also missed the one about the Whitehall leak about not leaving the EU by the end of next year, as promised by Boris. That’s a big negative against Bozza.

I think your best idea is not to talk to your dad about politics if you think he’s so uneducated about the subject.

The BBC I think generally does a good job of being unbiased. It sometimes allows too much extremity in the quest to allow all voices, and different parts of it have some inbuilt biases (the economists are slightly biased toward conservatism because that's what they've been taught, as I've grown up I don't hold it against them).

I missed the Whitehall leak because it wasn't a headline, it was a minor box within the migrants article.

And I just checked Sunday's paper for the Amazon article and it's another small box on page 4.

Cool. We agree on the BBC. Let’s be fair, it’s impossible for any organisation or individual to be completely unbiased.

The tablet version of the The Times gives the Whitehall leak it’s own page. Page 4 for the data ‘sale’ story seems prominent enough for me. Also, the paper has coveted the sale of NHS data very prominently over the course of the last few months and may feel that it’s done it’s part in that front, plus everything is second class news unless directly related to the election. It’s also covered the part about why selling/giving away data is in the national interest: it’s used to create algorithms for earlier and more consistent diagnosis. The latest hope is that the Orwellian ’assistants’ in our homes will diagnose illnesses before we even think to see a doctor. The difference here is that the data can be used outside of the UK. We should be charging for that privilege.

On reading back, the point about not discussing politics with your dad was not a dig or me being flippant. It’s a genuine tactic of mine with family members on topics in which we disagree. No minds will be changed but tempers may flare.

[Mellsblue]

I don't imagine there's a lack of left wing publications, just a lack of people buying them

There’s a lack of people buying any publications. Most ‘information’ is now gleaned in bite sized chunks on social media. A platform any old nut job can post a ‘fact’.

[Digby]

I don't imagine there's a lack of left wing publications, just a lack of people buying them

There’s a lack of people buying any publications. Most ‘information’ is now gleaned in bite sized chunks on social media. A platform any old nut job can post a ‘fact’.

Something I know all too well from my time posting with the twitter handle Boris Johnson's Mum

I had on the social media side been told that so far Labour have outspent the Tories, but the Tories were aping Brexit campaign and saving a massive spend for these final few days. For myself, and I might not be watching enough social media, I've only seen two Labour adds, both on YouTube, and both were those annoying pieces of shit you can't skip, no idea what they said as I muted them both, but they did feature the NHS logo.