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Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:21 am
by Digby
I know there are foot marks, but this ball is pitching a long way outside the leg stump and the umpires don't seem bothered, this isn't what I'd expect to be allowed ball after ball
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:06 am
by Which Tyler
Hmmm, no point batting beyond that wicket being lost, already ,400+ up, and surely want as long as reasonably possible to bowl them out
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:15 am
by Which Tyler
Even kes point now with 2 new batsmen, which will inevitably slow the scoring rate.
You've got enough of a lead, if you're not getting an extra 4 per over then why bother? Especially if you've got your bowlers out there anyway, so they're not exactly recuperating
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:20 am
by Digby
Give how much Leach is coming down the pitch playing shots alongside Archer running down the pitch I'd be willing to guess what they're still doing out there
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:26 am
by Which Tyler
Fair point, but it's not buying us Indian wickets.
We've already set them a new world record run chase.
Nice little freebee confidence booster for Ashwin there, ahead of the 2nd test
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:33 am
by Stom
Insanity.
Well, at least we'll have a few overs of new ball. Who will get it? Anderson surely, but will the other end go to a spinner?
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:50 am
by Digby
I don't perhaps agree with not wanting more overs, but this way the ball will be harder come the start of play tomorrow when our bowlers are fresher, and we'll still get plenty of overs with a 2nd new ball at it's best if needed.
Uneven bounce from Archer, really quite low. India might need to not drive unless it's well pitched up
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 10:54 am
by Digby
Leach struggling, perhaps with the hard ball, perhaps just struggling
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 11:54 am
by Stom
Digby wrote:Leach struggling, perhaps with the hard ball, perhaps just struggling
I'm not sure he's actually that good... unfortunately.
Pujara is the worry. He can easily stick around for the whole day. Need an Anderson special, I feel, or Jofra to find another gear, or some golden arm from Root.
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:02 pm
by fivepointer
I didnt see much point in batting on after we reached a lead of 400. We could have had another 7/8 overs at India today and still been perfectly fresh to resume in the morning.
Lovely ball from Leach to get the wicket. More of that required.
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2021 3:37 pm
by Digby
Captains tend to be cautious, and we don't have Swann anymore. I can't say I blame Root for not trusting Leach and Bess
If the game is about the 20-25 overs of each of the new balls it doesn't make much difference to us. The only other threat we might have is Anderson and his reverse swing. Much more likely this comes down to how much India want to save the game
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:18 pm
by fivepointer
Good decision to bat on!
All round top effort from England.
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:20 pm
by Digby
I don't think we let a session of cricket go past that we didn't compete well in, yes sometimes India edged it but that was impressive from the call at the toss to the last wicket. I don't know if that's the best England win, but it's one of the most consistent strong displays in a game for sure
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:21 am
by Digby
A really good response from India after going 3 down, not sure what England are trying to do other than hope their spinners get control of line and length (which would be an odd thing given how how many years they've bowled without that)
Interesting to see how batsman now sweep so happily to the ball wide of off stump, that's a new challenge to the finger spinner and especially the ones who only go one way
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:10 am
by Digby
6 down now, but by heavens this is a day 3 or 4 pitch already. India will be pleased to have runs in the bank
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:20 am
by Which Tyler
Digby wrote:6 down now, but by heavens this is a day 3 or 4 pitch already. India will be pleased to have runs in the bank
They'll be even more pleased to have the better spin bowlers
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:27 am
by Stom
Which Tyler wrote:Digby wrote:6 down now, but by heavens this is a day 3 or 4 pitch already. India will be pleased to have runs in the bank
They'll be even more pleased to have the better spin bowlers
Yet on the first test showing, we oddly have the better players of spin...
Maybe suggesting our spinners aren’t actually that bad or that India’s aren’t actually that good...
If we can keep them under 350, we have a chance
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:28 am
by Stom
But why the hell is root bowling with the new ball?!
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 11:46 am
by Galfon
That's a big 300 on this track.Kohli's review of his clean-bowl was most unusual...shame..
Pant could disrupt things a bit tomorrow.Can only think Root had some cunning plan, but not clear tbh.
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 12:49 pm
by Digby
Root is getting spin bowling much faster, so why not take the new ball and get the bounce too.
And Kohli, for all that was actually very funny given just how out he was, is likely to be in quite a lot of trouble. Though they might only fine him and then even if it's a big fine that's nothing to Kohli. If they don't act on this they're condoning abuse being directed at the umpires. I hope at least it encourages our top order not to drive expansively and to try and make India bowl well over 100 overs, we'll see
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 5:38 am
by Which Tyler
This is the England I remember from the 90s and early 00s.
Will India enforce the follow-on?
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:10 am
by Puja
Which Tyler wrote:This is the England I remember from the 90s and early 00s.
Will India enforce the follow-on?
In fairness, this is a horrible bloody pitch. Ashwin is literally unplayable on this surface and India have tightened the screw well.
Puja
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:28 am
by Digby
Yep, I think had we batted superbly we might have added 70-80 more. Variable bounce, sometimes significant bounce and sharp spin makes this a lottery, maybe the ball does fly just wide of your bat and off stump often enough you get to 50, but that's going to be down to dumb luck more than the batsman
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:37 am
by Galfon
India have bowled and batted on a very poor Test wicket better than Eng, they probably knew they would.
This match is a goner know so they'll have to take it on the chin.
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 11:33 am
by Digby
Kohli does love a whinge, to the point of now contesting a DRS. Visually I did think Root was out lbw but what value is there in telling the umpire the DRS ball tracking is wrong? And at what point does the game sit on one of its absolute stars?