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Re: Trump

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:21 pm
by Which Tyler
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10 ... e-advisers
“I Hate Everyone in the White House!”: Trump Seethes as Advisers Fear the President Is “Unraveling”
In recent days, I’ve spoken with a half dozen prominent Republicans and Trump advisers, and they all describe a White House in crisis as advisers struggle to contain a president who seems to be increasingly unfocused and consumed by dark moods.

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Re: Trump

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:34 pm
by Sandydragon
Which Tyler wrote:https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10 ... e-advisers
“I Hate Everyone in the White House!”: Trump Seethes as Advisers Fear the President Is “Unraveling”
In recent days, I’ve spoken with a half dozen prominent Republicans and Trump advisers, and they all describe a White House in crisis as advisers struggle to contain a president who seems to be increasingly unfocused and consumed by dark moods.

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Unraveling at a time when there is a major international crisis brewing inAsia. Great.

Re: Trump

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:57 pm
by morepork
Drink in the wisdom. A financial genius at work:

"The country, we took it over in 20 trillion you know the last eight years they borrowed more than it did in the whole history of our country. So they borrowed more than $10 trillion. Right? And yet we picked up $5.2 trillion just in the stock market. Possibly picked up the whole thing in terms of the first nine months. In terms of value. So you can say in one sense, we are really increasing values and may be in a sense, we are reducing debt. We are very honored by it and very, very happy by what's happening in Wall Street."

Re: Trump

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:36 pm
by WaspInWales
Which Tyler wrote:https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10 ... e-advisers
“I Hate Everyone in the White House!”: Trump Seethes as Advisers Fear the President Is “Unraveling”
In recent days, I’ve spoken with a half dozen prominent Republicans and Trump advisers, and they all describe a White House in crisis as advisers struggle to contain a president who seems to be increasingly unfocused and consumed by dark moods.

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Tbh, I think Trump and his base benefit from these articles. It may have happened, it may not have happened (although I can very well picture it happening), but the unnamed sources and speculation just give Trump the chance to cry 'fake news' and you can't blame him for doing so. Tiny hands, the WH and others keep denying the allegations and that's all they have to do to convince their base.

It would be great it someone could actually produce concrete proof of these things. I'm not sure that would convince the most hardened Trump fans as many have disregarded the Access Hollywood tapes as not important.

Re: Trump

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:08 pm
by Which Tyler
Sandydragon wrote: Unraveling at a time when there is a major international crisis brewing inAsia. Great.
My biggest problem with the article is the suggestion that Trump was ravelled in the first place

Re: Trump

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:13 pm
by morepork
Uncle Bulgaria forgets to sign the executive order he was talking about 15 seconds ago. Again.


Re: Trump

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:19 pm
by WaspInWales
morepork wrote:Uncle Bulgaria forgets to sign the executive order he was talking about 15 seconds ago. Again.

Fooking hell. Is it me or is his signature getting bigger?

Re: Trump

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:21 pm
by WaspInWales
Which Tyler wrote:
Sandydragon wrote: Unraveling at a time when there is a major international crisis brewing inAsia. Great.
My biggest problem with the article is the suggestion that Trump was ravelled in the first place
Very good :lol:

Virtual green awarded.

Re: Trump

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:23 am
by Which Tyler
WaspInWales wrote: Fooking hell. Is it me or is his signature getting bigger?
Not only bigglier, but betterer too!


Shortly after the election I read an article / interview with Howard Stern. He and Trump used to be really close, but he said their friendship soured after Trump did a complete 180 on his views (in the interview he said that Trump had always been fairly liberal, except on taxes and regulations, which makes sense for a rich businessman). Anyways, he predicted that Trump wouldn't make it through the term, specifically because he would have some type of mental breakdown and either resign or engage in self destructive behaviors. It seems like HS was spot on. And he said this would happen because Trump, at his core, just wants to be loved by everyone, and that that is simply not possible in politics, especially when your political style is to be as divisive as possible (he also intimated that this divisive nature was a new trait in Trump. He recognized that Trump had always been petty and vindictive, but he never saw Trump behave like the way he is now).

Re: Trump

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:43 pm
by Digby
So the State visit is well and truly off, no ride down The Mall in a horse drawn carriage with cheering admirers which it seems is what Trump expected. Instead he gets some version of an official visit which included sit down time with the Queen. The Queen has responded by handing over more duties to Charles, and one hopes by the time Trump arrives he's left with a sit down with Andrew or Edward.

Re: Trump

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:23 pm
by kk67
Digby wrote: Edward.
..and Fergie.

Re: Trump

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:26 pm
by kk67
Which Tyler wrote:
WaspInWales wrote: Fooking hell. Is it me or is his signature getting bigger?
Not only bigglier, but betterer too!


Shortly after the election I read an article / interview with Howard Stern. He and Trump used to be really close, but he said their friendship soured after Trump did a complete 180 on his views (in the interview he said that Trump had always been fairly liberal, except on taxes and regulations, which makes sense for a rich businessman). Anyways, he predicted that Trump wouldn't make it through the term, specifically because he would have some type of mental breakdown and either resign or engage in self destructive behaviors. It seems like HS was spot on. And he said this would happen because Trump, at his core, just wants to be loved by everyone, and that that is simply not possible in politics, especially when your political style is to be as divisive as possible (he also intimated that this divisive nature was a new trait in Trump. He recognized that Trump had always been petty and vindictive, but he never saw Trump behave like the way he is now).
One psychopath thought another psychopath was reasonably liberal.....?. Sweet.

Re: Trump

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:29 pm
by WaspInWales
If the Dems somehow get their shit together over the next few years, whilst Trump continues to malign, divide and attack Americans, there's a decent chance they can be back in the WH and in control of the houses come 2020...that's also assuming Trump avoids impeachment and the GOP avoids a catastrophic implosion as a result. Anyway, if the Dems manage to do that, just watch every single Trump order be overturned whilst Trump watches on utter embarrassment.

The way he has attacked Obama's legacy has been disturbing to say the least. There's no consideration to the consequences to the millions of Americans and other people around the world who will be affected by Trump's actions. It's all about beating the black man from Kenya who never should have been president.

Re: Trump

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:14 pm
by Which Tyler
Given that this is Trump ( and granted, he's a white supremacist)
I don't think his desire to turn everything Obama worked on to shit is because Obama was black, or shouldn't have been president; but that Obama insulted Trump once. IMO, that's the root reason he ran for president in the first place, and it's why he wants to destroy Obama's legacy. Literally nothing is more important to him than his own ego, the president hurt his ego, and so he needs to be torn destroyed.

Re: Trump

Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 11:51 pm
by WaspInWales
Which Tyler wrote:Given that this is Trump ( and granted, he's a white supremacist)
I don't think his desire to turn everything Obama worked on to shit is because Obama was black, or shouldn't have been president; but that Obama insulted Trump once. IMO, that's the root reason he ran for president in the first place, and it's why he wants to destroy Obama's legacy. Literally nothing is more important to him than his own ego, the president hurt his ego, and so he needs to be torn destroyed.
Fair point. I've read a few articles about Trump's legendary vindictiveness and need for revenge.

I think it's probably a mix of both the need for revenge and the fact that Obama was black that is behind the executive orders.

Re: Trump

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:16 am
by Digby
Obama did in fairness pass a number of executive orders which very likely over-reached the executive power of his office, I might happen to agree with Obama's aims and I'd also agree Congress is filled with lunatics funded by Pharma companies, HMOs, the NRA and so on, but the system should still see Congress passing bills and providing the budget that supports the legislative agenda.

Which isn't to say Trump is trying to be in any way helpful, it certainly doesn't seem he's doing anything other than having a temper tantrum, but Obama did open the door further when it comes to Executive Orders. Taking a longer term view on whether we should have reached this point is why even most leading Republicans are't interested in seeing senate votes going to 50+1

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:20 pm
by J Dory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... ive_orders

Seems Obama was relatively conservative in terms of the number of executive orders with 276. Roosevelt tops the list with 3728.

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:09 pm
by morepork
Goldman Sachs are pulling the Trumpet's strings again. Hot on the heels of the narrative on tax breaks for estates and properties, and cuts for corporate tax, comes a renewed assault on social welfare to, you know, pay for the tax cuts. It's the same old song played by this latest iteration of good old trickle down, but with the added bonus of the intellectual clout of noted raconteur and man of words, Donald's TRump:

"People are taking advantage of the system and then other people aren't receiving what they really need to live and we think it is very unfair to them. Because some people are really taking advantage of our system from that standpoint."

This orange bitch is being played like a mother fucker by the same old corporate establishment.

Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:50 pm
by J Dory
Bernie's take on the tax cuts.


Re: Trump

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:50 pm
by Digby
Talk about disrespecting the flag, Trump will be livid when he finds the arsehole who hasn't been phoning and writing families of soldiers who've lost military family members, worse the arsehole then made up (lied) on the spot that previous Presidents hadn't contacted families in such situations. This is clearly bigly worse than taking a knee, and Trump will be out for the orange blood of the tosser responsible

Re: Trump

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:24 pm
by kk67
morepork wrote:Goldman Sachs are pulling the Trumpet's strings again.
Not a hugely bigly surprise. We have the same problem in the UK.
People think that a Conservative government were elected to govern but actually it's just Price Waterhouse Coopers that are running the country.....badly.

Re: Trump

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:44 am
by Which Tyler
Class as always:

Trump to pregnant widow of U.S. Army Sgt. La David Johnson's: "he knew what he signed up for"

Said widow was en route to the airport to collect husband's casket at the time.

Re: Trump

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 3:24 pm
by morepork
Dear god he needs to just STFU.

Re: Trump

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:47 am
by Sandydragon
Which Tyler wrote:Class as always:

Trump to pregnant widow of U.S. Army Sgt. La David Johnson's: "he knew what he signed up for"

Said widow was en route to the airport to collect husband's casket at the time.
Absolute cnut. As MP says, time to STFU.
What I still find amazing is that so many of his base supporters back him after comments like this, although the fact the soldier was black might have something to do with that.

Re: Trump

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:16 am
by Digby
Sandydragon wrote:
Which Tyler wrote:Class as always:

Trump to pregnant widow of U.S. Army Sgt. La David Johnson's: "he knew what he signed up for"

Said widow was en route to the airport to collect husband's casket at the time.
Absolute cnut. As MP says, time to STFU.
What I still find amazing is that so many of his base supporters back him after comments like this, although the fact the soldier was black might have something to do with that.
It's only surprising he didn't double down on his criticism of McCain not being a hero as he was captured and say a soldier being killed is a quitter and a failure.