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Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:34 am They would like their children to spend their time in school learning English, Math, and the basics rather than have pronoun confusion, affirmation of their childs dysphoria without parental notification or against the parents wishes, or teachers discussing their sexual orientation with 7 year olds. Parents want to have those conversations with their children when THEY see fit to do it, not any sooner, and to be able to deal with certain issues in a way they feel is best for their child. They would like for teachers and administrators to mind their own business when their son has an American flag sticker on his backpack instead of telling him its triggering for some students so he needs to take it off. They are fed up with activist teachers and their agendas.

Thats just some of the info Ive gathered from what Ive read/heard. This is a big reason why homeschooling and charter schools are so popular now.

Practically none of that stuff actually exists though - it's all scare stories. No child has ever been told they need to take an American flag sticker off their backpack because it's triggering. No school is eschewing English or Maths for "pronoun confusion". Yes, teachers may not hide away the fact that they have a husband/wife like they used to have to, but they're not going up to unsuspecting 7 year olds and saying, "I'm gay and you could be too if you work hard in school!" And, in case it's not abundantly obvious, no children are identifying as cats and being allowed to use a litter tray in schools, no matter what rumours Fox repeats.

They're not "the future that liberals want" - they're just scare stories, repeated and amplified by companies and figures who profit from people being scared.

The only thing in there which might be is "the future that liberals want" is "affirmation of a child's dysphoria without parental notification", but that's mostly because putting in place rules where teachers *have* to inform parents means that sometimes it's forcing the teacher to do something that they know may put the child in physical danger, so I'm leaning towards discretion about child protection over "parents have a right to know" there.

Puja

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:34 am

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:41 am

Donny osmond wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:44 am I wouldn't claim to know shit about American society or politics, but I saw this and wondered if it's possibly as accurate as anything else....

I always find it amazing that the left is attacked for incivility. Yes, there are absolutely obnoxious people on every fringe who drive people away, but it's not the left who use the epithet of "pedos" to describe marginalised groups and those who advocate for them - that's a mainstream right thing, endorsed and promoted by mainstream right leaders. Nor was it the "left" leader or "left" spokespeople who made constant streams of personal attacks about "DEI hire", "Slept her way to the top", "low IQ", etc.

The key bit of that diatribe is "They voted for the right to keep YOU out of decisions for their children." What decisions do they want to make that they feel the intolerant left would stop them from?

Puja

Donny's quoted text is accurate. The majority are fed up.

Frankly, most parents want their children to go to school to learn HOW to think (for themselves), instead of WHAT to think. They want their childten to be able to express their own thoughts and opinions... and to actually be allowed to have those thoughts/opinions/questions without being punished, shunned, or told they are wrong. They would like the opportunity to choose the public school their child goes to, whether it is in their district or not. They would like their children to spend their time in school learning English, Math, and the basics rather than have pronoun confusion, affirmation of their childs dysphoria without parental notification or against the parents wishes, or teachers discussing their sexual orientation with 7 year olds. Parents want to have those conversations with their children when THEY see fit to do it, not any sooner, and to be able to deal with certain issues in a way they feel is best for their child. They would like for teachers and administrators to mind their own business when their son has an American flag sticker on his backpack instead of telling him its triggering for some students so he needs to take it off. They are fed up with activist teachers and their agendas.

Thats just some of the info Ive gathered from what Ive read/heard. This is a big reason why homeschooling and charter schools are so popular now.

This is a very important thing to think about.

Control over the narrative has been lost. And the response has been to double down (and name call), and that’s not the way to take back control.

Couple with the fact that you (the dems in this case) are seen as the establishment, and the establishment has led to a where we are now…

And there’s no wonder the decision has been made to give power to someone who has consistently claimed he’s anti establishment, even if he’s not.

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:34 am

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:41 am

Donny osmond wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:44 am I wouldn't claim to know shit about American society or politics, but I saw this and wondered if it's possibly as accurate as anything else....

I always find it amazing that the left is attacked for incivility. Yes, there are absolutely obnoxious people on every fringe who drive people away, but it's not the left who use the epithet of "pedos" to describe marginalised groups and those who advocate for them - that's a mainstream right thing, endorsed and promoted by mainstream right leaders. Nor was it the "left" leader or "left" spokespeople who made constant streams of personal attacks about "DEI hire", "Slept her way to the top", "low IQ", etc.

The key bit of that diatribe is "They voted for the right to keep YOU out of decisions for their children." What decisions do they want to make that they feel the intolerant left would stop them from?

Puja

Donny's quoted text is accurate. The majority are fed up.

Frankly, most parents want their children to go to school to learn HOW to think (for themselves), instead of WHAT to think. They want their childten to be able to express their own thoughts and opinions... and to actually be allowed to have those thoughts/opinions/questions without being punished, shunned, or told they are wrong. They would like the opportunity to choose the public school their child goes to, whether it is in their district or not. They would like their children to spend their time in school learning English, Math, and the basics rather than have pronoun confusion, affirmation of their childs dysphoria without parental notification or against the parents wishes, or teachers discussing their sexual orientation with 7 year olds. Parents want to have those conversations with their children when THEY see fit to do it, not any sooner, and to be able to deal with certain issues in a way they feel is best for their child. They would like for teachers and administrators to mind their own business when their son has an American flag sticker on his backpack instead of telling him its triggering for some students so he needs to take it off. They are fed up with activist teachers and their agendas.

Thats just some of the info Ive gathered from what Ive read/heard. This is a big reason why homeschooling and charter schools are so popular now.

Rationalise it all you want, you’re a fascist.

Stom wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:56 am

cashead wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:08 am

Stom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2024 11:59 am Well, the polls on voting intention have been skewing further and further from the reality in recent years, often very much over-egging the non-right wing votes.

This only seems to be significantly an issue in American elections. Most other elections have more or less gone as expected based on opinion polls - case in point the Japanese general elections late last month, where, if anything, the LDP's popularity - which was hitting historic lows under the previous prime minister Kishida - was overestimated and the government's ruling majority just got wiped out in a 76-seat swing.

Or shit, the UK elections, where the polls predicted a bloodbath for the Tories, and welp. Maybe there was a surprise in Truss losing her safe Tory seat and effectively having her parliamentary career ended, but considering how much of a dedicated failure turtle she is, that couldn't have been that big a surprise.

Yeah, OK, most likely it doesn't hold true across the board. I know most about UK elections, US elections, and Hungarian elections, all of which have had pretty poor polling results in recent times. Also, as Puja said: France. Oh, and the last election in Turkey was meant to be a narrow loss for Erdogan, no?

I’ll give you Turkey, but going into the 2022 elections in Hungary, Orban’s mob was leading in most polls, and going into the French elections, the National Rally were, by some distance, the highest polling bunch.

cashead wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:48 pm

Stom wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:56 am

cashead wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:08 am

This only seems to be significantly an issue in American elections. Most other elections have more or less gone as expected based on opinion polls - case in point the Japanese general elections late last month, where, if anything, the LDP's popularity - which was hitting historic lows under the previous prime minister Kishida - was overestimated and the government's ruling majority just got wiped out in a 76-seat swing.

Or shit, the UK elections, where the polls predicted a bloodbath for the Tories, and welp. Maybe there was a surprise in Truss losing her safe Tory seat and effectively having her parliamentary career ended, but considering how much of a dedicated failure turtle she is, that couldn't have been that big a surprise.

Yeah, OK, most likely it doesn't hold true across the board. I know most about UK elections, US elections, and Hungarian elections, all of which have had pretty poor polling results in recent times. Also, as Puja said: France. Oh, and the last election in Turkey was meant to be a narrow loss for Erdogan, no?

I’ll give you Turkey, but going into the 2022 elections in Hungary, Orban’s mob was leading in most polls, and going into the French elections, the National Rally were, by some distance, the highest polling bunch.

Fidesz were leading by a small amount, not enough for 2/3rds...now the former opposition parties have fallen apart and are polling under 10% combined.

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:59 am

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:34 am They would like their children to spend their time in school learning English, Math, and the basics rather than have pronoun confusion, affirmation of their childs dysphoria without parental notification or against the parents wishes, or teachers discussing their sexual orientation with 7 year olds. Parents want to have those conversations with their children when THEY see fit to do it, not any sooner, and to be able to deal with certain issues in a way they feel is best for their child. They would like for teachers and administrators to mind their own business when their son has an American flag sticker on his backpack instead of telling him its triggering for some students so he needs to take it off. They are fed up with activist teachers and their agendas.

Thats just some of the info Ive gathered from what Ive read/heard. This is a big reason why homeschooling and charter schools are so popular now.

Practically none of that stuff actually exists though - it's all scare stories. No child has ever been told they need to take an American flag sticker off their backpack because it's triggering. No school is eschewing English or Maths for "pronoun confusion". Yes, teachers may not hide away the fact that they have a husband/wife like they used to have to, but they're not going up to unsuspecting 7 year olds and saying, "I'm gay and you could be too if you work hard in school!" And, in case it's not abundantly obvious, no children are identifying as cats and being allowed to use a litter tray in schools, no matter what rumours Fox repeats.

They're not "the future that liberals want" - they're just scare stories, repeated and amplified by companies and figures who profit from people being scared.

The only thing in there which might be is "the future that liberals want" is "affirmation of a child's dysphoria without parental notification", but that's mostly because putting in place rules where teachers *have* to inform parents means that sometimes it's forcing the teacher to do something that they know may put the child in physical danger, so I'm leaning towards discretion about child protection over "parents have a right to know" there.

Puja

It has and does happen...its made news. American flags on things even like trucks in the school parking lot... one child had "Dont tread on me" on his backpack and it caused a stink... I dont think its happened hundreds of times but enough to make news and adds to the feeling that academia/education systems have become agenda driven instead of a safe place for diverse thought and ideas.

Cool. You’re a fascist.

cashead wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:27 pm

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:34 am

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:41 am

I always find it amazing that the left is attacked for incivility. Yes, there are absolutely obnoxious people on every fringe who drive people away, but it's not the left who use the epithet of "pedos" to describe marginalised groups and those who advocate for them - that's a mainstream right thing, endorsed and promoted by mainstream right leaders. Nor was it the "left" leader or "left" spokespeople who made constant streams of personal attacks about "DEI hire", "Slept her way to the top", "low IQ", etc.

The key bit of that diatribe is "They voted for the right to keep YOU out of decisions for their children." What decisions do they want to make that they feel the intolerant left would stop them from?

Puja

Donny's quoted text is accurate. The majority are fed up.

Frankly, most parents want their children to go to school to learn HOW to think (for themselves), instead of WHAT to think. They want their childten to be able to express their own thoughts and opinions... and to actually be allowed to have those thoughts/opinions/questions without being punished, shunned, or told they are wrong. They would like the opportunity to choose the public school their child goes to, whether it is in their district or not. They would like their children to spend their time in school learning English, Math, and the basics rather than have pronoun confusion, affirmation of their childs dysphoria without parental notification or against the parents wishes, or teachers discussing their sexual orientation with 7 year olds. Parents want to have those conversations with their children when THEY see fit to do it, not any sooner, and to be able to deal with certain issues in a way they feel is best for their child. They would like for teachers and administrators to mind their own business when their son has an American flag sticker on his backpack instead of telling him its triggering for some students so he needs to take it off. They are fed up with activist teachers and their agendas.

Thats just some of the info Ive gathered from what Ive read/heard. This is a big reason why homeschooling and charter schools are so popular now.

Rationalise it all you want, you’re a fascist.

lol...Awwwe, Bless your heart. If I thought for a moment that you knew what an actual fascist was, your opinion of me might have hurt my wittle feelers. The hypocricy is stunning.

BTW.. words like nazi, fascist, bigot, and even terf have lost their power and influence.

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:42 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:59 am

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:34 am They would like their children to spend their time in school learning English, Math, and the basics rather than have pronoun confusion, affirmation of their childs dysphoria without parental notification or against the parents wishes, or teachers discussing their sexual orientation with 7 year olds. Parents want to have those conversations with their children when THEY see fit to do it, not any sooner, and to be able to deal with certain issues in a way they feel is best for their child. They would like for teachers and administrators to mind their own business when their son has an American flag sticker on his backpack instead of telling him its triggering for some students so he needs to take it off. They are fed up with activist teachers and their agendas.

Thats just some of the info Ive gathered from what Ive read/heard. This is a big reason why homeschooling and charter schools are so popular now.

Practically none of that stuff actually exists though - it's all scare stories. No child has ever been told they need to take an American flag sticker off their backpack because it's triggering. No school is eschewing English or Maths for "pronoun confusion". Yes, teachers may not hide away the fact that they have a husband/wife like they used to have to, but they're not going up to unsuspecting 7 year olds and saying, "I'm gay and you could be too if you work hard in school!" And, in case it's not abundantly obvious, no children are identifying as cats and being allowed to use a litter tray in schools, no matter what rumours Fox repeats.

They're not "the future that liberals want" - they're just scare stories, repeated and amplified by companies and figures who profit from people being scared.

The only thing in there which might be is "the future that liberals want" is "affirmation of a child's dysphoria without parental notification", but that's mostly because putting in place rules where teachers *have* to inform parents means that sometimes it's forcing the teacher to do something that they know may put the child in physical danger, so I'm leaning towards discretion about child protection over "parents have a right to know" there.

Puja

It has and does happen...its made news. American flags on things even like trucks in the school parking lot... one child had "Dont tread on me" on his backpack and it caused a stink... I dont think its happened hundreds of times but enough to make news and adds to the feeling that academia/education systems have become agenda driven instead of a safe place for diverse thought and ideas.

Which was entirely the narrative.

And I get the angst, I do. Things are shit, and government hasn't helped with some pretty insane decisions across the board. But this is just apportioning blame somewhere, creating a strawman that draws attention away from what's been going on.

We've seen it throughout politics in different countries.

And I do understand. Yet I still disagree, because I feel like things that are not very common should not form the basis of an entire strategy. I feel like it would be better to focus on what happens regularly, or more regularly. Because kids can be "assholes" all the time, and just because it happened with a label attached to it doesn't make it any different from the countless trillion other times kids were assholes.

C'mon Coco, are you seriously claiming the republicans are the party of diverse thought and ideas? I don't remember what they used to stand for, but now, it's all about controlling the narrative, the courts and the vote. The dems have lost the plot, clearly, they lost. They have themselves to blame. My take, no one is listening to the people who are suffering, the "working class". Trump is pretending to, but he doesn't care about anyone or anything except himself and he's dumb as a post. It's about to become abundantly clear once he's forced to govern again, which I don't think is something he actually wants, but here we fucking are. 4 more years down the toilet, what a waste. Forget my political leanings, anyone but Trump on either side would have been better for the USA and the world.

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:42 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:59 am

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:34 am They would like their children to spend their time in school learning English, Math, and the basics rather than have pronoun confusion, affirmation of their childs dysphoria without parental notification or against the parents wishes, or teachers discussing their sexual orientation with 7 year olds. Parents want to have those conversations with their children when THEY see fit to do it, not any sooner, and to be able to deal with certain issues in a way they feel is best for their child. They would like for teachers and administrators to mind their own business when their son has an American flag sticker on his backpack instead of telling him its triggering for some students so he needs to take it off. They are fed up with activist teachers and their agendas.

Thats just some of the info Ive gathered from what Ive read/heard. This is a big reason why homeschooling and charter schools are so popular now.

Practically none of that stuff actually exists though - it's all scare stories. No child has ever been told they need to take an American flag sticker off their backpack because it's triggering. No school is eschewing English or Maths for "pronoun confusion". Yes, teachers may not hide away the fact that they have a husband/wife like they used to have to, but they're not going up to unsuspecting 7 year olds and saying, "I'm gay and you could be too if you work hard in school!" And, in case it's not abundantly obvious, no children are identifying as cats and being allowed to use a litter tray in schools, no matter what rumours Fox repeats.

They're not "the future that liberals want" - they're just scare stories, repeated and amplified by companies and figures who profit from people being scared.

The only thing in there which might be is "the future that liberals want" is "affirmation of a child's dysphoria without parental notification", but that's mostly because putting in place rules where teachers *have* to inform parents means that sometimes it's forcing the teacher to do something that they know may put the child in physical danger, so I'm leaning towards discretion about child protection over "parents have a right to know" there.

Puja

It has and does happen...its made news. American flags on things even like trucks in the school parking lot... one child had "Dont tread on me" on his backpack and it caused a stink... I dont think its happened hundreds of times but enough to make news and adds to the feeling that academia/education systems have become agenda driven instead of a safe place for diverse thought and ideas.

Sadly, "it's made news" does not necessarily equal "it actually happened", especially not if the news in question is Fox News. If you go and look at the details behind these "news" stories, it always ends up being, "There were reports of..." and "A post on Facebook said that..." and "People have heard it happening to their friends and their friends' friends; it's everywhere!" There is never actually any instance of the event in question, just a nice emotive story.

To quote Fox and OAN's unofficial motto, "Feelings don't care about facts."

Puja

Fucking hell. This page was a laugh.

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:34 am

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:41 am

Donny osmond wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 7:44 am I wouldn't claim to know shit about American society or politics, but I saw this and wondered if it's possibly as accurate as anything else....

I always find it amazing that the left is attacked for incivility. Yes, there are absolutely obnoxious people on every fringe who drive people away, but it's not the left who use the epithet of "pedos" to describe marginalised groups and those who advocate for them - that's a mainstream right thing, endorsed and promoted by mainstream right leaders. Nor was it the "left" leader or "left" spokespeople who made constant streams of personal attacks about "DEI hire", "Slept her way to the top", "low IQ", etc.

The key bit of that diatribe is "They voted for the right to keep YOU out of decisions for their children." What decisions do they want to make that they feel the intolerant left would stop them from?

Puja

Donny's quoted text is accurate. The majority are fed up.

Frankly, most parents want their children to go to school to learn HOW to think (for themselves), instead of WHAT to think. They want their childten to be able to express their own thoughts and opinions... and to actually be allowed to have those thoughts/opinions/questions without being punished, shunned, or told they are wrong. They would like the opportunity to choose the public school their child goes to, whether it is in their district or not. They would like their children to spend their time in school learning English, Math, and the basics rather than have pronoun confusion, affirmation of their childs dysphoria without parental notification or against the parents wishes, or teachers discussing their sexual orientation with 7 year olds. Parents want to have those conversations with their children when THEY see fit to do it, not any sooner, and to be able to deal with certain issues in a way they feel is best for their child. They would like for teachers and administrators to mind their own business when their son has an American flag sticker on his backpack instead of telling him its triggering for some students so he needs to take it off. They are fed up with activist teachers and their agendas.

Thats just some of the info Ive gathered from what Ive read/heard. This is a big reason why homeschooling and charter schools are so popular now.

Who is it who's doing the book burnings again?

Literally every accusation against the democrats in that screed is truer of the republicans

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:42 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:59 am

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:34 am They would like their children to spend their time in school learning English, Math, and the basics rather than have pronoun confusion, affirmation of their childs dysphoria without parental notification or against the parents wishes, or teachers discussing their sexual orientation with 7 year olds. Parents want to have those conversations with their children when THEY see fit to do it, not any sooner, and to be able to deal with certain issues in a way they feel is best for their child. They would like for teachers and administrators to mind their own business when their son has an American flag sticker on his backpack instead of telling him its triggering for some students so he needs to take it off. They are fed up with activist teachers and their agendas.

Thats just some of the info Ive gathered from what Ive read/heard. This is a big reason why homeschooling and charter schools are so popular now.

Practically none of that stuff actually exists though - it's all scare stories. No child has ever been told they need to take an American flag sticker off their backpack because it's triggering. No school is eschewing English or Maths for "pronoun confusion". Yes, teachers may not hide away the fact that they have a husband/wife like they used to have to, but they're not going up to unsuspecting 7 year olds and saying, "I'm gay and you could be too if you work hard in school!" And, in case it's not abundantly obvious, no children are identifying as cats and being allowed to use a litter tray in schools, no matter what rumours Fox repeats.

They're not "the future that liberals want" - they're just scare stories, repeated and amplified by companies and figures who profit from people being scared.

The only thing in there which might be is "the future that liberals want" is "affirmation of a child's dysphoria without parental notification", but that's mostly because putting in place rules where teachers *have* to inform parents means that sometimes it's forcing the teacher to do something that they know may put the child in physical danger, so I'm leaning towards discretion about child protection over "parents have a right to know" there.

Puja

It has and does happen...its made news. American flags on things even like trucks in the school parking lot... one child had "Dont tread on me" on his backpack and it caused a stink... I dont think its happened hundreds of times but enough to make news and adds to the feeling that academia/education systems have become agenda driven instead of a safe place for diverse thought and ideas.

This is fiction. A feeling is no substitute for data. "One child". You don't need protection from big government, you need basic instruction in the laws of probability. I teach undergrads and postgrads in basic molecular biology right up to the nuances of neurochemistry in neurodegenerative disease. At a public University. In no way shape or form have educating students on the laws of nature and how to observe and question the variances in these laws in a controlled empirical context been thwarted by the kind of attitude you claim exists. I've been held accountable for swearing in lectures and having a barely legible accent on occasion, but never have I used the platform to impose a doctrine of social conformity. Nor have any of my colleagues across the country, because we are fucking scientists. I participate every year in programs that give high school kids exposure to laboratory work in a (biologically) controlled environment (yes, biohazards are real) on top of obtaining funding from federal and industry sources for scientific initiatives that serve public health, employ talented local scientists, and have led to multiple initiatives that are manifest in controlled clinical trials for drugs that address real unmet public health needs that keep the population productive . The US has the best R&D environment on the planet that, with oversight from the FDA and NIH, ensures money is not wasted on the type of ideological vanity that you seem obsessed with. Who are you to judge this effort by us, who sweat blood to mentor the next generation of informed, motivated, and educated young people for the communal good? Take the option of charter or home schooling if you like, but keep your fingers out of the public purse if you choose to do so and front up to genuine peer reviewed scrutiny when you fall on your arse. I'm so sick of observing the Universe through the haze of this non-existent crisis.

All that and he doesn’t know how to form a paragraph.

Down with this sort of thing.

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:08 pm

cashead wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:27 pm

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:34 am

Donny's quoted text is accurate. The majority are fed up.

Frankly, most parents want their children to go to school to learn HOW to think (for themselves), instead of WHAT to think. They want their childten to be able to express their own thoughts and opinions... and to actually be allowed to have those thoughts/opinions/questions without being punished, shunned, or told they are wrong. They would like the opportunity to choose the public school their child goes to, whether it is in their district or not. They would like their children to spend their time in school learning English, Math, and the basics rather than have pronoun confusion, affirmation of their childs dysphoria without parental notification or against the parents wishes, or teachers discussing their sexual orientation with 7 year olds. Parents want to have those conversations with their children when THEY see fit to do it, not any sooner, and to be able to deal with certain issues in a way they feel is best for their child. They would like for teachers and administrators to mind their own business when their son has an American flag sticker on his backpack instead of telling him its triggering for some students so he needs to take it off. They are fed up with activist teachers and their agendas.

Thats just some of the info Ive gathered from what Ive read/heard. This is a big reason why homeschooling and charter schools are so popular now.

Rationalise it all you want, you’re a fascist.

lol...Awwwe, Bless your heart. If I thought for a moment that you knew what an actual fascist was, your opinion of me might have hurt my wittle feelers. The hypocricy is stunning.

BTW.. words like nazi, fascist, bigot, and even terf have lost their power and influence.

I don't give a fuck what your rationalisations are, you vote for fascist even once, you're a fascist. You've admitted to doing this on at least three occasions.

Any young women in your orbit? Daughters, nieces, etc? Go on, tell them why you voted for a rapist, against their right to bodily autonomy. Then, tell us all how that conversation went.

J Dory wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:17 pm C'mon Coco, are you seriously claiming the republicans are the party of diverse thought and ideas? I don't remember what they used to stand for, but now, it's all about controlling the narrative, the courts and the vote. The dems have lost the plot, clearly, they lost. They have themselves to blame. My take, no one is listening to the people who are suffering, the "working class". Trump is pretending to, but he doesn't care about anyone or anything except himself and he's dumb as a post. It's about to become abundantly clear once he's forced to govern again, which I don't think is something he actually wants, but here we fucking are. 4 more years down the toilet, what a waste. Forget my political leanings, anyone but Trump on either side would have been better for the USA and the world.

No, what I am saying is the Republican party is the party pushing for the rights of parents to decide what is best for their own children.

lmao

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:33 pm

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:42 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:59 am

Practically none of that stuff actually exists though - it's all scare stories. No child has ever been told they need to take an American flag sticker off their backpack because it's triggering. No school is eschewing English or Maths for "pronoun confusion". Yes, teachers may not hide away the fact that they have a husband/wife like they used to have to, but they're not going up to unsuspecting 7 year olds and saying, "I'm gay and you could be too if you work hard in school!" And, in case it's not abundantly obvious, no children are identifying as cats and being allowed to use a litter tray in schools, no matter what rumours Fox repeats.

They're not "the future that liberals want" - they're just scare stories, repeated and amplified by companies and figures who profit from people being scared.

The only thing in there which might be is "the future that liberals want" is "affirmation of a child's dysphoria without parental notification", but that's mostly because putting in place rules where teachers *have* to inform parents means that sometimes it's forcing the teacher to do something that they know may put the child in physical danger, so I'm leaning towards discretion about child protection over "parents have a right to know" there.

Puja

It has and does happen...its made news. American flags on things even like trucks in the school parking lot... one child had "Dont tread on me" on his backpack and it caused a stink... I dont think its happened hundreds of times but enough to make news and adds to the feeling that academia/education systems have become agenda driven instead of a safe place for diverse thought and ideas.

Sadly, "it's made news" does not necessarily equal "it actually happened", especially not if the news in question is Fox News. If you go and look at the details behind these "news" stories, it always ends up being, "There were reports of..." and "A post on Facebook said that..." and "People have heard it happening to their friends and their friends' friends; it's everywhere!" There is never actually any instance of the event in question, just a nice emotive story.

To quote Fox and OAN's unofficial motto, "Feelings don't care about facts."

Puja

Puja it has happened in a few states over the last 3-4 years. Tennessee (removal of 7 yr olds shirt for displaying AKA 1908), Colorado (Gadsden flag on backpack), Oklahoma (American flag removal from back of truck), Indiana (removal of American flag from vehicle), Virginia (removal of American flag from truck), Indiana (removal of shirt that said "I hope I dont get killed for being black today... ACLU even got involved)... Im sure theres a few more - definitely happened.

My point in saying these incidents have made news was simply to elaborate on the list of things parents are tired of... they saw it on the national news and it just added fuel to the already smoldering embers.

cashead wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:38 am

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:08 pm

cashead wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 6:27 pm

Rationalise it all you want, you’re a fascist.

lol...Awwwe, Bless your heart. If I thought for a moment that you knew what an actual fascist was, your opinion of me might have hurt my wittle feelers. The hypocricy is stunning.

BTW.. words like nazi, fascist, bigot, and even terf have lost their power and influence.

I don't give a fuck what your rationalisations are, you vote for fascist even once, you're a fascist. You've admitted to doing this on at least three occasions.

Any young women in your orbit? Daughters, nieces, etc? Go on, tell them why you voted for a rapist, against their right to bodily autonomy. Then, tell us all how that conversation went.

You are very much entitled to your opinion cashead, but Ive never asked for or needed your approval on my opinions or views. I only offered a confirmation to Donnys post and tried to explain the point puja was confused about.

I dont care if anyone here agrees or disagrees with me. I do try to answer questions if somebody is truly wanting to understand a different point of view though.

There are many women in my orbit... family and friends alike - most voted similarly but a few did not. The ones that did not vote for Trump roll their eyes at the body autonomy schtick when its brought up, as its not much of a blip on most peoples radar even though the establishment pushes it... its tiresome and they think too much emphasis was put in to that narrative when other things were more important to most women.

Apparently most women in the USA agreed.

Coco wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 3:58 am

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:33 pm

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:42 pm

It has and does happen...its made news. American flags on things even like trucks in the school parking lot... one child had "Dont tread on me" on his backpack and it caused a stink... I dont think its happened hundreds of times but enough to make news and adds to the feeling that academia/education systems have become agenda driven instead of a safe place for diverse thought and ideas.

Sadly, "it's made news" does not necessarily equal "it actually happened", especially not if the news in question is Fox News. If you go and look at the details behind these "news" stories, it always ends up being, "There were reports of..." and "A post on Facebook said that..." and "People have heard it happening to their friends and their friends' friends; it's everywhere!" There is never actually any instance of the event in question, just a nice emotive story.

To quote Fox and OAN's unofficial motto, "Feelings don't care about facts."

Puja

Puja it has happened in a few states over the last 3-4 years. Tennessee (removal of 7 yr olds shirt for displaying AKA 1908), Colorado (Gadsden flag on backpack), Oklahoma (American flag removal from back of truck), Indiana (removal of American flag from vehicle), Virginia (removal of American flag from truck), Indiana (removal of shirt that said "I hope I dont get killed for being black today... ACLU even got involved)... Im sure theres a few more - definitely happened.

My point in saying these incidents have made news was simply to elaborate on the list of things parents are tired of... they saw it on the national news and it just added fuel to the already smoldering embers.

lol, way to bury the lede.

Coco wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:43 am

cashead wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:38 am

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:08 pm

lol...Awwwe, Bless your heart. If I thought for a moment that you knew what an actual fascist was, your opinion of me might have hurt my wittle feelers. The hypocricy is stunning.

BTW.. words like nazi, fascist, bigot, and even terf have lost their power and influence.

I don't give a fuck what your rationalisations are, you vote for fascist even once, you're a fascist. You've admitted to doing this on at least three occasions.

Any young women in your orbit? Daughters, nieces, etc? Go on, tell them why you voted for a rapist, against their right to bodily autonomy. Then, tell us all how that conversation went.

You are very much entitled to your opinion cashead, but Ive never asked for or needed your approval on my opinions or views. I only offered a confirmation to Donnys post and tried to explain the point puja was confused about.

I dont care if anyone here agrees or disagrees with me. I do try to answer questions if somebody is truly wanting to understand a different point of view though.

There are many women in my orbit... family and friends alike - most voted similarly but a few did not. The ones that did not vote for Trump roll their eyes at the body autonomy schtick when its brought up, as its not much of a blip on most peoples radar even though the establishment pushes it... its tiresome and they think too much emphasis was put in to that narrative when other things were more important to most women.

Apparently most women in the USA agreed.

"body autonomy schtick." Well, that says it all, doesn't it? It's a significant issue for younger women, women of colour - particularly black, and people of lower income. Your posts on here make it plenty clear you're, to some extent, insulated by privilege, but this statement also highlights how incapable of empathy you really are.

But, fascists lacking in empathy; water is wet and night follows day.

Absolutely loving all the non American men explaining to the American woman how and why she's wrong about American society and politics, then throwing in a few insults for good measure. This is what everyone loves about the Left.

Coco wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 3:58 am

Puja wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 10:33 pm

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:42 pm

It has and does happen...its made news. American flags on things even like trucks in the school parking lot... one child had "Dont tread on me" on his backpack and it caused a stink... I dont think its happened hundreds of times but enough to make news and adds to the feeling that academia/education systems have become agenda driven instead of a safe place for diverse thought and ideas.

Sadly, "it's made news" does not necessarily equal "it actually happened", especially not if the news in question is Fox News. If you go and look at the details behind these "news" stories, it always ends up being, "There were reports of..." and "A post on Facebook said that..." and "People have heard it happening to their friends and their friends' friends; it's everywhere!" There is never actually any instance of the event in question, just a nice emotive story.

To quote Fox and OAN's unofficial motto, "Feelings don't care about facts."

Puja

Puja it has happened in a few states over the last 3-4 years. Tennessee (removal of 7 yr olds shirt for displaying AKA 1908), Colorado (Gadsden flag on backpack), Oklahoma (American flag removal from back of truck), Indiana (removal of American flag from vehicle), Virginia (removal of American flag from truck), Indiana (removal of shirt that said "I hope I dont get killed for being black today... ACLU even got involved)... Im sure theres a few more - definitely happened.

My point in saying these incidents have made news was simply to elaborate on the list of things parents are tired of... they saw it on the national news and it just added fuel to the already smoldering embers.

Again, incidents reported on =!= incidents actually happening (or there not being significant context that completely changes the story beyond "You can't wear an American flag into school"). I will agree that "parents saw it on the news and it added fuel to their smouldering embers", but it's 99% scare stories, promoted by people who profit from people being scared about "the left and their activist teachers coming to take away American flags and teach your 5 year old about anal sex."

Puja

Donny osmond wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 8:39 am

Absolutely loving all the non American men explaining to the American woman how and why she's wrong about American society and politics, then throwing in a few insults for good measure. This is what everyone loves about the Left.

Cashead is not the rest of us. And Coco has yet to react to Morepork, the only one with actual, real world experience in the "situations" she describes.

Coco wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:43 am

cashead wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2024 2:38 am

Coco wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 9:08 pm

lol...Awwwe, Bless your heart. If I thought for a moment that you knew what an actual fascist was, your opinion of me might have hurt my wittle feelers. The hypocricy is stunning.

BTW.. words like nazi, fascist, bigot, and even terf have lost their power and influence.

I don't give a fuck what your rationalisations are, you vote for fascist even once, you're a fascist. You've admitted to doing this on at least three occasions.

Any young women in your orbit? Daughters, nieces, etc? Go on, tell them why you voted for a rapist, against their right to bodily autonomy. Then, tell us all how that conversation went.

You are very much entitled to your opinion cashead, but Ive never asked for or needed your approval on my opinions or views. I only offered a confirmation to Donnys post and tried to explain the point puja was confused about.

I dont care if anyone here agrees or disagrees with me. I do try to answer questions if somebody is truly wanting to understand a different point of view though.

There are many women in my orbit... family and friends alike - most voted similarly but a few did not. The ones that did not vote for Trump roll their eyes at the body autonomy schtick when its brought up, as its not much of a blip on most peoples radar even though the establishment pushes it... its tiresome and they think too much emphasis was put in to that narrative when other things were more important to most women.

Apparently most women in the USA agreed.

Just to clarify something, most women in the USA did NOT vote for Trump. Most voted for Harris. The largest voting group for Trump is white male...take that what you will.

Obviously there will be state by state differences, because the USA is basically a load of smaller countries put together.

But on the rest of what you've said so far:

Have you thought about checking the veracity of the information you've decided is fact? I know that this is something I like to do, and when I don't, I get shown up for it, and apologize. Like with the poor Algerian woman in the Olympic boxing, where I took the initial reports at face value and commented before doing my research. After I did my research, I apologized for my initial view, and then said my true thoughts on the issue.

For instance, how credible does it sound that a bumper sticker that was SIMPLY an American flag was forcibly removed? There's a chance it's not true, but what if it's partially true? And the bumper sticker in question was of the American flag with an offensive, racist, xenophobic, sexist, or other kind of phrase? If a news station reports that:

"A random man was stopped outside a school today and asked to remove his offensive bumper sticker"...the question would be: HOW IS THIS NEWS!!!

So the fact it's reported as just the flag, whether it is or is not wholly or partially true, gives the implication that this reporting is not in fact to bring you news, but to deepen the culture war taking place, and ensure that you feel like you need to vote in a certain way, which will promote certain interests...

I just can't help but look at, for instance, the Sharks on Shark Tank and feel like: Would I rather trust Mark Cuban with my life, money, and kids...or Kevin O'Leary...and I sure as hell wouldn't trust "Mr. Wonderful" with anything. And which one is the Trump fan?