Anti-Russian rhetoric

[Digby]

I think we can rule out an attempt to meddle in the Russian elections. Mainly as it’s not really an election but also because I doubt this would displease the supporters of the Putin strong man act, if anything they’ll be praising him.

If anything they're just not that interested in the UK

[Mellsblue]

Hmmm, what else has Theresa May been up to lately . . . ?

Saudi Arabia is near a long-delayed deal to buy 48 Typhoon fighters. The country’s military already have 72; some are being used in Yemen. The Campaign Against Arms Trade says the UK has licensed £4.6bn of arms sales to Riyadh since the bombardment began in 2015. Though Theresa May reportedly raised her “deep concerns” about the war with the crown prince, Britain boasts of providing humanitarian aid while supplying the weapons that fuel the world’s worst manmade humanitarian crisis and supporting the Saudi air campaign.

The UN says that 8.5 million Yemenis are at risk of famine. Its humanitarian chief describes conditions as “catastrophic”. The shattered health system battles diphtheria and cholera. The country’s new special envoy, former British diplomat Martin Griffiths, must try to revive the moribund attempts to find a political exit. Whatever the hopes of the Saudi crown prince, there is not a military solution.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... tains-duty

The Yemeni govt asked for Saudi Arabia’s help, as did Assad ask Putin. Following your logic on Syria, the UK is helping a legitimate war on behalf of the Yemeni govt and it’s people.

[Mellsblue]

I think we can rule out an attempt to meddle in the Russian elections. Mainly as it’s not really an election but also because I doubt this would displease the supporters of the Putin strong man act, if anything they’ll be praising him.

If anything they're just not that interested in the UK

Probably not but if you’ve viewed Russian state news in the last few days they will be interested on this topic.

[Digby]

I think we can rule out an attempt to meddle in the Russian elections. Mainly as it’s not really an election but also because I doubt this would displease the supporters of the Putin strong man act, if anything they’ll be praising him.

If anything they're just not that interested in the UK

Probably not but if you’ve viewed Russian state news in the last few days they will be interested on this topic.

Just how drunk do I come across?

[rowan]

Hmmm, what else has Theresa May been up to lately . . . ?

Saudi Arabia is near a long-delayed deal to buy 48 Typhoon fighters. The country’s military already have 72; some are being used in Yemen. The Campaign Against Arms Trade says the UK has licensed £4.6bn of arms sales to Riyadh since the bombardment began in 2015. Though Theresa May reportedly raised her “deep concerns” about the war with the crown prince, Britain boasts of providing humanitarian aid while supplying the weapons that fuel the world’s worst manmade humanitarian crisis and supporting the Saudi air campaign.

The UN says that 8.5 million Yemenis are at risk of famine. Its humanitarian chief describes conditions as “catastrophic”. The shattered health system battles diphtheria and cholera. The country’s new special envoy, former British diplomat Martin Griffiths, must try to revive the moribund attempts to find a political exit. Whatever the hopes of the Saudi crown prince, there is not a military solution.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... tains-duty

The Yemeni govt asked for Saudi Arabia’s help, as did Assad ask Putin. Following your logic on Syria, the UK is helping a legitimate war on behalf of the Yemeni govt and it’s people.

The corrupt Saudi-aligned Yemeni government was actually overthrown. Saudi Arabia began bombing civilian targets in an attempt to restore it - with Britain's support (and American, naturally).

In Syria the US and its allies (including Britain, naturally) supported rebels/terrorists in an attempt to destabilize a secular government not yet under their control.

There is no logic to your thinking whatsoever...

[rowan]

Dr Nafeez Ahmed:


Yet these claims are contradicted by the OPCW [the UN Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons] itself, which in September 2017 declared that the independent global agency had rigorously verified the completed destruction of Russia’s entire chemical weapons programme, including of course its nerve agent production capabilities. ...

At this point, neither the US nor Britain have offered any actual evidence as to why the OPCW’s verification process regarding Russia’s dismantlement of its chemical weapons capability should be disbelieved. They have provided no evidence that Russia retains any Novichok stockpiles.

The OPCW is, of course, the same agency whose independent investigations the West is relying on to determine culpability in major chemical weapons attacks in Syria. Why, then, would the OPCW’s conclusions on Syria be considered gospel truth, while its conclusions on Russia be rejected? ...

INSURGE just reported on an extensive US Army study published last year which not only stated quite unequivocally that NATO expansionism is the main driver of Russian belligerence, but that NATO’s main interest has always been to rollback Russia’s regional influence so that the West can dominate Central Asian natural resources and oil pipeline routes.

The document recommended that in 2018, the US should consider pursuing a concerted covert “information” campaign to undermine Putin. ...

The actual history of Novichok shows that out of the countries discussed here, Russia is the only state to have been certified by the OPCW as having destroyed its chemical weapons programme, including its nerve agent capabilities. The OPCW found no evidence to indicate that Russia retains an active Novichoc capability. The same is not the case for the US, Britain and Israel.

[Mellsblue]

If anything they're just not that interested in the UK

Probably not but if you’ve viewed Russian state news in the last few days they will be interested on this topic.

Just how drunk do I come across?

Drunk enough to rewatch the France v Eng debacle, ie very.

[Mellsblue]

Hmmm, what else has Theresa May been up to lately . . . ?

Saudi Arabia is near a long-delayed deal to buy 48 Typhoon fighters. The country’s military already have 72; some are being used in Yemen. The Campaign Against Arms Trade says the UK has licensed £4.6bn of arms sales to Riyadh since the bombardment began in 2015. Though Theresa May reportedly raised her “deep concerns” about the war with the crown prince, Britain boasts of providing humanitarian aid while supplying the weapons that fuel the world’s worst manmade humanitarian crisis and supporting the Saudi air campaign.

The UN says that 8.5 million Yemenis are at risk of famine. Its humanitarian chief describes conditions as “catastrophic”. The shattered health system battles diphtheria and cholera. The country’s new special envoy, former British diplomat Martin Griffiths, must try to revive the moribund attempts to find a political exit. Whatever the hopes of the Saudi crown prince, there is not a military solution.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... tains-duty

The Yemeni govt asked for Saudi Arabia’s help, as did Assad ask Putin. Following your logic on Syria, the UK is helping a legitimate war on behalf of the Yemeni govt and it’s people.

The corrupt Saudi-aligned Yemeni government was actually overthrown.

Not according Wikipedia. Now, I’m not one for citing Wikipedia, mainly as U.K. universities won’t allow you to and that’s good enough for me, but that has never stopped you before.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_A ... n_in_Yemen

[rowan]

It had origins in Houthi-led protests that began the previous month,[9] and escalated when the Houthis stormed the Yemeni capital Sana'a on 21 September 2014,[10] causing the resignation of Prime Minister Mohammed Basindawa, and later the resignation of President Abdrabbuh Mansur Hadi and his ministers on 22 January 2015 - that's what I just read on Wiki.

Abd Rabbuh Mansur Hadi was a corrupt, US-backed dictator. No surprise you appear to have been in love with him . . .

[Mellsblue]

It’s irrelevant. He was the internationally accepted President, just as Assad was in. As you repeatedly remind us. Now, Assad was/is a corrupt, Russian backed dictator but that doesn’t seem to worry you in your protestations over Syria.

[rowan]

It’s irrelevant. He was the internationally accepted President, just as Assad was in. As you repeatedly remind us. Now, Assad was/is a corrupt, Russian backed dictator but that doesn’t seem to worry you in your protestations over Syria.

Only if you believe the warmongering, racist propaganda of your corporate media, which you obviously do. But to any neutral observer, Britain is a thousand times more evil than Syria. Britain murders civilians by the multitudes all around the world, then points the finger of self-righteous indignation at everyone else.

The fact the Saudi & US-backed dictator in Yemen was overthrown, leading to the wholesale bombing of the nation by Britain's close ally Saudi Arabia, targeting mainly civilians and leading directly to a cholera epidemic, is hardly irrelevant at all. Theresa May's abominable weapons sales to the vicious Saudi dictatorship might be the very reason she is so keen to manufacture a scandal to smokescreen it.

[OptimisticJock]

I don't believe I just read the last 3 pages. I'm utterly ashamed of myself. More ashamed than that drunken night with an 83 year old great granny

[Digby]

I don't believe I just read the last 3 pages. I'm utterly ashamed of myself. More ashamed than that drunken night with an 83 year old great granny

And you should be ashamed, though not as ashamed as anyone quoting Rowan

[rowan]

I don't believe I just read the last 3 pages. I'm utterly ashamed of myself. More ashamed than that drunken night with an 83 year old great granny

Exactly what I think whenever I'm bored enough to look at the Trump thread - and a few others...

[Mellsblue]

It’s irrelevant. He was the internationally accepted President, just as Assad was in. As you repeatedly remind us. Now, Assad was/is a corrupt, Russian backed dictator but that doesn’t seem to worry you in your protestations over Syria.

Only if you believe the warmongering, racist propaganda of your corporate media, which you obviously do. But to any neutral observer, Britain is a thousand times more evil than Syria. Britain murders civilians by the multitudes all around the world, then points the finger of self-righteous indignation at everyone else.

The fact the Saudi & US-backed dictator in Yemen was overthrown, leading to the wholesale bombing of the nation by Britain's close ally Saudi Arabia, targeting mainly civilians and leading directly to a cholera epidemic, is hardly irrelevant at all. Theresa May's abominable weapons sales to the vicious Saudi dictatorship might be the very reason she is so keen to manufacture a scandal to smokescreen it.

Do you just cut and paste this tripe or do type it out anew every time?

[Mellsblue]

I don't believe I just read the last 3 pages. I'm utterly ashamed of myself. More ashamed than that drunken night with an 83 year old great granny

And you should be ashamed, though not as ashamed as anyone quoting Rowan

I am ashamed, don’t you worry. I’m going to punish myself by reading your minute by minute breakdown of the France v England match.

[Digby]

I don't believe I just read the last 3 pages. I'm utterly ashamed of myself. More ashamed than that drunken night with an 83 year old great granny

And you should be ashamed, though not as ashamed as anyone quoting Rowan

I am ashamed, don’t you worry. I’m going to punish myself by reading your minute by minute breakdown of the France v England match.

In truth its the same updates as shown for he Italy game with some names changed, I doubt anyone will notice

[Mellsblue]

And you should be ashamed, though not as ashamed as anyone quoting Rowan

I am ashamed, don’t you worry. I’m going to punish myself by reading your minute by minute breakdown of the France v England match.

In truth its the same updates as shown for he Italy game with some names changed, I doubt anyone will notice

I did wonder who Pierre Parisse was.

[morepork]

Rowan; the Peter Sellers character of these boards. A cut and paste warrior, championing the plight of everyone that isn't from the UK or North America. Bludgeoning all before him with the sainted club of racism like a blind weddell seal on ketamine. Any who dare challenge his authority on anything are smote with the rolly eyes of righteousness.

[rowan]

Rowan; the Peter Sellers character of these boards. A cut and paste warrior, championing the plight of everyone that isn't from the UK or North America. Bludgeoning all before him with the sainted club of racism like a blind weddell seal on ketamine. Any who dare challenge his authority on anything are smote with the rolly eyes of righteousness.

There goes the ad hominems. That's when you know they're out of arguments. In fact, they never really had any to begin with; not a solitary word that was not directed at the messenger. Seriously, do you guys just cut & paste them and merely change a few words according to whichever thread you're on?

[morepork]

Nothing personal mate. I just don't really like you.

Note: I never entered into any argument. You kok.

[rowan]

Apart from when you tried to claim the British restaurant chain was Italian. Still licking your wounds after that, I'd say

Anyway, i'm not interested in the school yard stuff. What I see here is nothing but an imperialist mentality that condemns all others and denies its own crimes.

[morepork]

Apart from when you tried to claim the British restaurant chain was Italian. Still licking your wounds after that, I'd say

Anyway, i'm not interested in the school yard stuff. What I see here is nothing but an imperialist mentality that condemns all others and denies its own crimes.

Did I? I remember chiming in with a sarcastic "Italian pub". Do you know what sarcasm is Seabiscut? You simply have to drop the Italian job. No one was being wacist Wowan.

Kok.

[Sandydragon]

Rowan; the Peter Sellers character of these boards. A cut and paste warrior, championing the plight of everyone that isn't from the UK or North America. Bludgeoning all before him with the sainted club of racism like a blind weddell seal on ketamine. Any who dare challenge his authority on anything are smote with the rolly eyes of righteousness.

There goes the ad hominems. That's when you know they're out of arguments. In fact, they never really had any to begin with; not a solitary word that was not directed at the messenger. Seriously, do you guys just cut & paste them and merely change a few words according to whichever thread you're on?

Pretty much your tactic fella.

[Donny osmond]

Aaaaaaand still feeding the chimp. Seriously, didnt someone once say something about insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results? Wtf do you think the chimp is going to do except throw shit?

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