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Sandydragon wrote:

Stom wrote:

cashead wrote:
So how would someone outside of that community be able to represent an authentic voice for people of colour or trans people?

I'll also tell you right now, as a person of colour, what I don't want is some white cunt being all po-faced acting like their assumptions represents a true, authentic voice for people like me. Because it isn't.

I think the point being made is that when the character has nothing to do with their race, gender or sexuality, it makes no difference. The author/writer simply wrote them that way because they wanted to.

So you get Idris Elba playing Roland from The Dark Tower and that fits, because his skin colour was not important for the character and he was not representing a voice for any people.

Likewise, there could well be other examples. Sure, the chances of a written black or minority character NOT having some kind of deeper meaning is unlikely, due to the nature (and racist history) of literature, but that doesn't mean it's not possible.

I recently read an article with Sean Bean, where he was talking about his portrayal of a trans character and how he'd never be allowed to do that now. His point was that he wanted to play diverse characters because that meant he needed to research and truly get under the skin of a character, and that opened up avenues that were previously closed to him. I think that's valuable. If an outsider actually spends the time within a different community, understanding their emotions, their history, their fears, problems, and successes, that outsider is surely going to come away with a more rounded view of the world.

So I am against roles being type-cast.

That would have been the mini series where Bean played a transvestite. That was excellent as was Beans performance. In my view having a top actor give an outstanding portrayal and highlight many of the issues was hugely beneficial and probably ensured that many people watched it would might not have bothered if the actor was an actual transvestite but not so well know, or good.

As I said, the acting in Pose was outstanding, and far better than anything Bean has offered up, imo. It was simply an example. And, the character who's name escapes me from Euphoria was pretty excellent, too. And aren't they getting more roles now, which is great?

cashead wrote:

Stom wrote:

cashead wrote:
So how would someone outside of that community be able to represent an authentic voice for people of colour or trans people?

I'll also tell you right now, as a person of colour, what I don't want is some white cunt being all po-faced acting like their assumptions represents a true, authentic voice for people like me. Because it isn't.

I think the point being made is that when the character has nothing to do with their race, gender or sexuality, it makes no difference. The author/writer simply wrote them that way because they wanted to.

So you get Idris Elba playing Roland from The Dark Tower and that fits, because his skin colour was not important for the character and he was not representing a voice for any people.

Likewise, there could well be other examples. Sure, the chances of a written black or minority character NOT having some kind of deeper meaning is unlikely, due to the nature (and racist history) of literature, but that doesn't mean it's not possible.

I recently read an article with Sean Bean, where he was talking about his portrayal of a trans character and how he'd never be allowed to do that now. His point was that he wanted to play diverse characters because that meant he needed to research and truly get under the skin of a character, and that opened up avenues that were previously closed to him. I think that's valuable. If an outsider actually spends the time within a different community, understanding their emotions, their history, their fears, problems, and successes, that outsider is surely going to come away with a more rounded view of the world.

So I am against roles being type-cast.

Oh cool, so a cis-het male gets to play a trans woman, while actual trans women lose out on another role.

I could have predicted this response.

That was Bean's response. That it wouldn't get made today due to that attitude.

I think trans women (and men, who you seem to have glossed over in all your posts so far) should be treated the same as any other actor when it comes to casting. But I know that I'm a romantic and the reality is that they DO get passed over. So I completely understand.

I've looked it up and seen that the actor's name is Hunter Schafer, and I'm sad to see they've not been in anything else yet. They're young yet, though. Ditto the two actors from Pose, though both of them have careers outside of acting (singing and modeling respectively, which is pretty good for a pair of trans women).

So I agree that there does need to be more representation for underrepresented groups, I just feel like we shouldn't necessarily be prescriptive.

Though I do get where you're coming from, and agree, I just don't see the same solution as you do. And perhaps my solution is less feasible, but it's not as if either of us is going to have any impact on the casting of Hollywood films.

I would like to see those 3 trans actors in something else, though, they were all excellent, imo. It's just a bit sad that in Euphoria both Zendaya and Hunter Schafer were utterly amazing. One of them breaks into superstardom, the other hasn't made anything else... yeah, that does suck a bit.