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Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:44 pm Cokanisiga has an absurd amount of potential in my mind, but he’s been on/off injured for such a long time I just doubt whether he is still the same player. He’s been in better, more deserving, form than I’ve seen him for quite a while recently. It just doesn’t happen to be anywhere near being the form wing in the country.

Could probably say most of that about Nowell too.

Every time Jones reinforces how little domestic form matters, in comparison to knowing his particular way of doing things, it just leaves me a little less interested in following the whole thing.

Oakboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:19 am

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:44 pm Cokanisiga has an absurd amount of potential in my mind, but he’s been on/off injured for such a long time I just doubt whether he is still the same player. He’s been in better, more deserving, form than I’ve seen him for quite a while recently. It just doesn’t happen to be anywhere near being the form wing in the country.

Could probably say most of that about Nowell too.

Every time Jones reinforces how little domestic form matters, in comparison to knowing his particular way of doing things, it just leaves me a little less interested in following the whole thing.

MB, I suggest that a huge number of England fans share the sentiment of your last sentence. Too many are seeing too little to get the juices flowing. Results and performances in the coming AIs need to change the perception.

Scrumhead wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:56 am

Oakboy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:19 am

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:44 pm Cokanisiga has an absurd amount of potential in my mind, but he’s been on/off injured for such a long time I just doubt whether he is still the same player. He’s been in better, more deserving, form than I’ve seen him for quite a while recently. It just doesn’t happen to be anywhere near being the form wing in the country.

Could probably say most of that about Nowell too.

Every time Jones reinforces how little domestic form matters, in comparison to knowing his particular way of doing things, it just leaves me a little less interested in following the whole thing.

MB, I suggest that a huge number of England fans share the sentiment of your last sentence. Too many are seeing too little to get the juices flowing. Results and performances in the coming AIs need to change the perception.

While I personally fall in to the category of being increasingly disillusioned, I actually don’t think ‘a huge number’ of England fans do.

As people who are heavily invested in rugby, we are at the more extreme end of the spectrum and so we are much more likely to be frustrated by erratic selections and how annoying it is when deserving players are overlooked or poorly treated.

The vast majority of England fans probably don’t know which clubs the players come from and are unlikely to have any idea on domestic form. They simply tune in for internationals and the perceptions are mostly based upon whether we win or lose and however the media is portraying it at the time. Obviously there is much more of a feel good factor if we’re winning and playing exciting rugby, but I don’t know if the average England fan reads much more in to it.

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:21 am We just beat Australia away #justsaying

ckeyn wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 5:02 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 02, 2022 4:53 pm we all know Itoje will be at 6......

It won't be - all footage out of England camp shows Itoje leading the 2nd row unit in training

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:01 pm New Zealand are looking ominous. Papalii >>>>>> Cane

Epaminondas Pules wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:24 pm They’re still a mess in the backs. Ioane and Barrett in the centres is far from ideal!


BTW Quirke out with what looks like wrist break

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:21 pm

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:01 pm New Zealand are looking ominous. Papalii >>>>>> Cane

Savea at 8 was ridiculous as well. They could still move him back to 8 and bring in another big ball carrier at 8 which is frightening thought. The AB defence not the best though.

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:01 pm New Zealand are looking ominous. Papalii >>>>>> Cane

Scrumhead wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:38 am Yeah. It’s always really hard to read in to other results.

NZ were definitely the pick of the sides who played yesterday. Even when the Welsh made a bit of a comeback it was more a case of the, keeping the scoreline respectable rather than any genuine suggestion of them winning.

Puja wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:17 pm

Scrumhead wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:38 am Yeah. It’s always really hard to read in to other results.

NZ were definitely the pick of the sides who played yesterday. Even when the Welsh made a bit of a comeback it was more a case of the, keeping the scoreline respectable rather than any genuine suggestion of them winning.

Really? I thought NZ were on the pedestrian side and heavily aided by a tired-looking Wales who put absolutely no pressure on their possession whatsoever (incredible when they'd picked Tipuric and Reffell!). They put them away in the end, but the final scoreline doesn't tell the tale of the bulk of the match.

I'd've said Ireland were the pick of the sides yesterday - absolutely controlling the game against South Africa and executing all of their plans and countermeasures excellently. I'd also say Australia were hugely impressive in coming so close to beating a great French side.

Puja

16th man wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:00 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:17 pm

Scrumhead wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:38 am Yeah. It’s always really hard to read in to other results.

NZ were definitely the pick of the sides who played yesterday. Even when the Welsh made a bit of a comeback it was more a case of the, keeping the scoreline respectable rather than any genuine suggestion of them winning.

Really? I thought NZ were on the pedestrian side and heavily aided by a tired-looking Wales who put absolutely no pressure on their possession whatsoever (incredible when they'd picked Tipuric and Reffell!). They put them away in the end, but the final scoreline doesn't tell the tale of the bulk of the match.

I'd've said Ireland were the pick of the sides yesterday - absolutely controlling the game against South Africa and executing all of their plans and countermeasures excellently. I'd also say Australia were hugely impressive in coming so close to beating a great French side.

Puja

If SA had a goalkicker that would probably have gone the other way though.

Definitely apparent that the RC teams are grooved in, whilst Ireland in particular looked a bit short of clicking in attack.

fivepointer wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:41 pm Aussies scored a brilliant length of the field try

Scrumhead wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:10 pm I agree. I thought Ireland looked very slow out of the blocks and TBH they were pretty lucky to make it through the first 30 without conceding more points. SA dominated that period IMO.

Two tries in quick succession changed the game and SA just seemed incapable of scoring points.

I felt NZ dominated Wales in second gear, hence why I thought they were the best side on the day.

Puja wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:17 pm

Scrumhead wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:38 am Yeah. It’s always really hard to read in to other results.

NZ were definitely the pick of the sides who played yesterday. Even when the Welsh made a bit of a comeback it was more a case of the, keeping the scoreline respectable rather than any genuine suggestion of them winning.

Really? I thought NZ were on the pedestrian side and heavily aided by a tired-looking Wales who put absolutely no pressure on their possession whatsoever (incredible when they'd picked Tipuric and Reffell!). They put them away in the end, but the final scoreline doesn't tell the tale of the bulk of the match.

I'd've said Ireland were the pick of the sides yesterday - absolutely controlling the game against South Africa and executing all of their plans and countermeasures excellently. I'd also say Australia were hugely impressive in coming so close to beating a great French side.

Puja

Banquo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:15 pm

Puja wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:17 pm

Scrumhead wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:38 am Yeah. It’s always really hard to read in to other results.

NZ were definitely the pick of the sides who played yesterday. Even when the Welsh made a bit of a comeback it was more a case of the, keeping the scoreline respectable rather than any genuine suggestion of them winning.

Really? I thought NZ were on the pedestrian side and heavily aided by a tired-looking Wales who put absolutely no pressure on their possession whatsoever (incredible when they'd picked Tipuric and Reffell!). They put them away in the end, but the final scoreline doesn't tell the tale of the bulk of the match.

I'd've said Ireland were the pick of the sides yesterday - absolutely controlling the game against South Africa and executing all of their plans and countermeasures excellently. I'd also say Australia were hugely impressive in coming so close to beating a great French side.

Puja

NZ were very good with the ball, poor without it.