Snap General Election called

[Banquo]

Not sure if this lightens the mood....

[Banquo]

Long-Bailey and Rayner to stand on a joint ticket. I’d imagine they’ll be heavy favourites.

body-shamer.

Doubling down though.

[Which Tyler]

And so it begins

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-6425258
Tory MP calls for social care insurance for 'those who can afford it'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 48611.html
Boris Johnson could ditch promise to protect workers' rights and environmental protections after Brexit, No 10 suggests

[Digby]

Not sure if this lightens the mood....

It will providing people accept Pie is part of the joke

[onlynameleft]

Long-Bailey and Rayner to stand on a joint ticket. I’d imagine they’ll be heavy favourites.

RL-B makes Corbyn look like Thatcher. I used to work with her. She spent all her day trying to persuade the secretaries to do less work. She used to be Jake Berry’s trainee.

[Banquo]

Looks like a young and diverse new intake, which can only be good. Though 'its like starting at Hogwarts with the death-eaters in charge' as a quote is interesting . Johnson will need a touch of the Harry Potters to deliver I guess!

[Sandydragon]

Long-Bailey and Rayner to stand on a joint ticket. I’d imagine they’ll be heavy favourites.

RL-B makes Corbyn look like Thatcher. I used to work with her. She spent all her day trying to persuade the secretaries to do less work. She used to be Jake Berry’s trainee.

She might appeal to Momentum, but I don't see her having much appeal to the wider electorate. Perhaps less baggage than Corbyn but otherwise not much difference.

[Mellsblue]

Long-Bailey and Rayner to stand on a joint ticket. I’d imagine they’ll be heavy favourites.

RL-B makes Corbyn look like Thatcher. I used to work with her. She spent all her day trying to persuade the secretaries to do less work. She used to be Jake Berry’s trainee.

She might appeal to Momentum, but I don't see her having much appeal to the wider electorate. Perhaps less baggage than Corbyn but otherwise not much difference.

If a Corbynite does get in, I wonder what the moderates will do. Not that I know how many are left. If 40ish move to LD it puts them on 50ish and Labour on 150ish. Given the size of Boris’s majority, in the practical terms, that isn’t too much difference.

[Puja]

Long-Bailey and Rayner to stand on a joint ticket. I’d imagine they’ll be heavy favourites.

RL-B makes Corbyn look like Thatcher. I used to work with her. She spent all her day trying to persuade the secretaries to do less work. She used to be Jake Berry’s trainee.

She might appeal to Momentum, but I don't see her having much appeal to the wider electorate. Perhaps less baggage than Corbyn but otherwise not much difference.

I think "less baggage than Corbyn" is a) a low bar to trip over and b) a fairly major thing. I'd say having a candidate who is beyond reproach and with nothing that the papers/social media can latch onto is almost more important than their political stance.

Puja

[Stom]

RL-B makes Corbyn look like Thatcher. I used to work with her. She spent all her day trying to persuade the secretaries to do less work. She used to be Jake Berry’s trainee.

She might appeal to Momentum, but I don't see her having much appeal to the wider electorate. Perhaps less baggage than Corbyn but otherwise not much difference.

If a Corbynite does get in, I wonder what the moderates will do. Not that I know how many are left. If 40ish move to LD it puts them on 50ish and Labour on 150ish. Given the size of Boris’s majority, in the practical terms, that isn’t too much difference.

Then they'd just lose their seat in the next general, unless the LD get their finger out of their arse and elect a leader who actually, well, you know, is both liberal and a democrat.

After Clegg's sell out, it's been a pretty piss poor group.

[Mellsblue]

She might appeal to Momentum, but I don't see her having much appeal to the wider electorate. Perhaps less baggage than Corbyn but otherwise not much difference.

If a Corbynite does get in, I wonder what the moderates will do. Not that I know how many are left. If 40ish move to LD it puts them on 50ish and Labour on 150ish. Given the size of Boris’s majority, in the practical terms, that isn’t too much difference.

Then they'd just lose their seat in the next general, unless the LD get their finger out of their arse and elect a leader who actually, well, you know, is both liberal and a democrat.

After Clegg's sell out, it's been a pretty piss poor group.

I suppose you’d need to hedge your bets based on the next leader. I’d rather work under Davey than RLB. There’s also that prior to the GE they could hold their nose under Corbyn knowing they could lay punches on the govt. That has pretty much gone now with this majority.

[Stom]

If a Corbynite does get in, I wonder what the moderates will do. Not that I know how many are left. If 40ish move to LD it puts them on 50ish and Labour on 150ish. Given the size of Boris’s majority, in the practical terms, that isn’t too much difference.

Then they'd just lose their seat in the next general, unless the LD get their finger out of their arse and elect a leader who actually, well, you know, is both liberal and a democrat.

After Clegg's sell out, it's been a pretty piss poor group.

I suppose you’d need to hedge your bets based on the next leader. I’d rather work under Davey than RLB. There’s also that prior to the GE they could hold their nose under Corbyn knowing they could lay punches on the govt. That has pretty much gone now with this majority.

What does Davey stand for, though?

I'd rather someone with a vision rather than another career fucking politician.

That's been the problem since Thatcher, really: career politicians.

I may be ideologically opposite to her, but at least she had a plan and a vision and stuck to it!

BoJo only has himself, Swinson had nothing, Farron just wanted to be Israel Folau, Cameron didn't care for anything, Clegg had no vision other than power...

Useless, all of them. At least Corbyn has had an ideology, even if it's been badly implemented.

[Mellsblue]

Then they'd just lose their seat in the next general, unless the LD get their finger out of their arse and elect a leader who actually, well, you know, is both liberal and a democrat.

After Clegg's sell out, it's been a pretty piss poor group.

I suppose you’d need to hedge your bets based on the next leader. I’d rather work under Davey than RLB. There’s also that prior to the GE they could hold their nose under Corbyn knowing they could lay punches on the govt. That has pretty much gone now with this majority.

What does Davey stand for, though?

I'd rather someone with a vision rather than another career fucking politician.

That's been the problem since Thatcher, really: career politicians.

I may be ideologically opposite to her, but at least she had a plan and a vision and stuck to it!

BoJo only has himself, Swinson had nothing, Farron just wanted to be Israel Folau, Cameron didn't care for anything, Clegg had no vision other than power...

Useless, all of them. At least Corbyn has had an ideology, even if it's been badly implemented.

We could do with less ideology in our politics.

[Mikey Brown]

Ideology seems to be one of those terms that has lost all meaning in recent years, or at least one which people can agree on.

Is it about the driving principles and theory behind what you’re trying to achieve, because you think it is morally right? Or is it just the belligerent, cult-like, narrow mindedness that leads to poor policy/engagement?

[Stom]

I suppose you’d need to hedge your bets based on the next leader. I’d rather work under Davey than RLB. There’s also that prior to the GE they could hold their nose under Corbyn knowing they could lay punches on the govt. That has pretty much gone now with this majority.

What does Davey stand for, though?

I'd rather someone with a vision rather than another career fucking politician.

That's been the problem since Thatcher, really: career politicians.

I may be ideologically opposite to her, but at least she had a plan and a vision and stuck to it!

BoJo only has himself, Swinson had nothing, Farron just wanted to be Israel Folau, Cameron didn't care for anything, Clegg had no vision other than power...

Useless, all of them. At least Corbyn has had an ideology, even if it's been badly implemented.

We could do with less ideology in our politics.

Really? I disagree. I think people should have a vision. When they have a vision and work toward that vision, their actions make sense.

And if you don't agree with that vision...don't vote for them.

The vision of BJ, Trump, etc., is simply POWER! They just want power and are willing to sacrifice anything and everyone around them to get it and hold it.

They don't care about the consequences for the little man. And even more the little woman.

If they're ideologically driven, those things are writ large in their actions.

In response to Mikey, I want to see politicians who have an aim in mind, clearly state that aim, and their policy decisions are obviously tied to that aim.

Thatcher was one. I disagreed with her vision but I can admire her for sticking to it. Since then we've been plagued by career politicians who only want power. They only care about winning elections: Blair, Cameron, BJ, May...

Can anyone say what their principle was? The only one who had a principle was Brown and he got hounded out for making mistakes that snowballed because of outside influences.

[morepork]

RL-B makes Corbyn look like Thatcher. I used to work with her. She spent all her day trying to persuade the secretaries to do less work. She used to be Jake Berry’s trainee.

She might appeal to Momentum, but I don't see her having much appeal to the wider electorate. Perhaps less baggage than Corbyn but otherwise not much difference.

I think "less baggage than Corbyn" is a) a low bar to trip over and b) a fairly major thing. I'd say having a candidate who is beyond reproach and with nothing that the papers/social media can latch onto is almost more important than their political stance.

Puja

That is pretty fucked up. I'm not disagreeing, but it is fucked up. The great dumbing-down continues apace. FML.

[Son of Mathonwy]

She might appeal to Momentum, but I don't see her having much appeal to the wider electorate. Perhaps less baggage than Corbyn but otherwise not much difference.

I think "less baggage than Corbyn" is a) a low bar to trip over and b) a fairly major thing. I'd say having a candidate who is beyond reproach and with nothing that the papers/social media can latch onto is almost more important than their political stance.

Puja

That is pretty fucked up. I'm not disagreeing, but it is fucked up. The great dumbing-down continues apace. FML.

I think it's pretty essential that the new leader is beyond reproach, but that's clearly not enough. I would hope that it isn't too hard to find several baggage-free candidates to choose between. (I mean it's not like it's the Tories ).

[Son of Mathonwy]

And so it begins

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-6425258
Tory MP calls for social care insurance for 'those who can afford it'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 48611.html
Boris Johnson could ditch promise to protect workers' rights and environmental protections after Brexit, No 10 suggests

I fear to read the news. There are things I really don't want to find out about.

But I guess I will need to keep myself informed, however painful it is.

[Mellsblue]

What does Davey stand for, though?

I'd rather someone with a vision rather than another career fucking politician.

That's been the problem since Thatcher, really: career politicians.

I may be ideologically opposite to her, but at least she had a plan and a vision and stuck to it!

BoJo only has himself, Swinson had nothing, Farron just wanted to be Israel Folau, Cameron didn't care for anything, Clegg had no vision other than power...

Useless, all of them. At least Corbyn has had an ideology, even if it's been badly implemented.

We could do with less ideology in our politics.

Really? I disagree. I think people should have a vision. When they have a vision and work toward that vision, their actions make sense.

And if you don't agree with that vision...don't vote for them.

The vision of BJ, Trump, etc., is simply POWER! They just want power and are willing to sacrifice anything and everyone around them to get it and hold it.

They don't care about the consequences for the little man. And even more the little woman.

If they're ideologically driven, those things are writ large in their actions.

In response to Mikey, I want to see politicians who have an aim in mind, clearly state that aim, and their policy decisions are obviously tied to that aim.

Thatcher was one. I disagreed with her vision but I can admire her for sticking to it. Since then we've been plagued by career politicians who only want power. They only care about winning elections: Blair, Cameron, BJ, May...

Can anyone say what their principle was? The only one who had a principle was Brown and he got hounded out for making mistakes that snowballed because of outside influences.

We obviously have a completely different idea of what ideology is and what it leads to. I’d say ideology is a strongly held belief that, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, is still held as the best and only way. See ERG with no deal Brexit or Corbynomics with all must be treated the same.
A vision is great and very necessary but, for me, it’s not ideology and it must be pragmatic.
I’m not totally opposed to people wanting power for power’s sake. In the US it’s not worked well but in the UK there are plenty who would argue that those not listened to in decades are now getting what they have asked for due to Boris coveting no10. Assuming Bozza is true to his word.

[morepork]

I think "less baggage than Corbyn" is a) a low bar to trip over and b) a fairly major thing. I'd say having a candidate who is beyond reproach and with nothing that the papers/social media can latch onto is almost more important than their political stance.

Puja

That is pretty fucked up. I'm not disagreeing, but it is fucked up. The great dumbing-down continues apace. FML.

I think it's pretty essential that the new leader is beyond reproach, but that's clearly not enough. I would hope that it isn't too hard to find several baggage-free candidates to choose between. (I mean it's not like it's the Tories ).

Then start cloning and engineering personalities for the political class.

[Which Tyler]

10.45 tonight, ITV

[Sandydragon]

RL-B makes Corbyn look like Thatcher. I used to work with her. She spent all her day trying to persuade the secretaries to do less work. She used to be Jake Berry’s trainee.

She might appeal to Momentum, but I don't see her having much appeal to the wider electorate. Perhaps less baggage than Corbyn but otherwise not much difference.

I think "less baggage than Corbyn" is a) a low bar to trip over and b) a fairly major thing. I'd say having a candidate who is beyond reproach and with nothing that the papers/social media can latch onto is almost more important than their political stance.

Puja

I was thinking that it might disprove the theory that the UK is ready for Corbyn brand socialism if the face changed.

Personally I feel Labour needs to tack towards the centre. Nothing wrong with being left of centre but not into anti-capitalist trench Corbyn and McDonnell dug for themselves.

[Stom]

She might appeal to Momentum, but I don't see her having much appeal to the wider electorate. Perhaps less baggage than Corbyn but otherwise not much difference.

I think "less baggage than Corbyn" is a) a low bar to trip over and b) a fairly major thing. I'd say having a candidate who is beyond reproach and with nothing that the papers/social media can latch onto is almost more important than their political stance.

Puja

I was thinking that it might disprove the theory that the UK is ready for Corbyn brand socialism if the face changed.

Personally I feel Labour needs to tack towards the centre. Nothing wrong with being left of centre but not into anti-capitalist trench Corbyn and McDonnell dug for themselves.

How do you educate the masses that anti capitalism and anti neo capitalism are not the same thing... especially when the papers want to preserve neo capitalism.

[morepork]

I think "less baggage than Corbyn" is a) a low bar to trip over and b) a fairly major thing. I'd say having a candidate who is beyond reproach and with nothing that the papers/social media can latch onto is almost more important than their political stance.

Puja

I was thinking that it might disprove the theory that the UK is ready for Corbyn brand socialism if the face changed.

Personally I feel Labour needs to tack towards the centre. Nothing wrong with being left of centre but not into anti-capitalist trench Corbyn and McDonnell dug for themselves.

How do you educate the masses that anti capitalism and anti neo capitalism are not the same thing... especially when the papers want to preserve neo capitalism.

You make a meme.

[Stom]

I was thinking that it might disprove the theory that the UK is ready for Corbyn brand socialism if the face changed.

Personally I feel Labour needs to tack towards the centre. Nothing wrong with being left of centre but not into anti-capitalist trench Corbyn and McDonnell dug for themselves.

How do you educate the masses that anti capitalism and anti neo capitalism are not the same thing... especially when the papers want to preserve neo capitalism.

You make a meme.

Elitist scum