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Donny osmond wrote:How does one get a substance that is minus 80 C into one's body without the temperature damaging your body cells? Is it as simple as warming it and using within a v small time frame?

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Yes you thaw it. Difficult to mainline an ice block. Once it’s thawed it cannot be re-frozen without damage. It is as simple as you suggest.

morepork wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:How does one get a substance that is minus 80 C into one's body without the temperature damaging your body cells? Is it as simple as warming it and using within a v small time frame?

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Yes you thaw it. Difficult to mainline an ice block. Once it’s thawed it cannot be re-frozen without damage. It is as simple as you suggest.

Ta.

Mainlining ice is quite a concept. I once walked down Bay Street in Toronto in February without anything covering my face... I expect mainlining ice would be a similar experience.

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I’ve done the same in Montreal. Acute physical respiratory pain. Not for the faint of lung.

Donny osmond wrote:How does one get a substance that is minus 80 C into one's body without the temperature damaging your body cells? Is it as simple as warming it and using within a v small time frame?

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yes, and its 5 days at 2-6 degrees C before its useless in the case of the Pfizer vaccine.

Preparations on the ground for scaling up production and FDA-approved storage and delivery devices are looking somewhat....amateur on this side of the pond. Looks as though a lot of money has been committed to some pretty shoddy contracts. I don't see any evidence of ramping up production of syringes, needles, vials (all that should have been tested and approved to not interact unpredictably with the drug). Multiple states are getting hammered with hospitals filling up fast and its heading for clusterfuck Round 2. All the while feckless cunts like the White House Press secretary are actively discrediting science and public health expertise with the tired, bullshit, immature "Muh Freedumb" narratives. All the pieces are in place to deal with this, but hiding the truth from the public (the CDC stopped providing hospital occupancy updates back in July) and keeping the baby in his safe space takes precedent. Utterly contemptible behaviour.

In the UK the first plan had initial vaccinations in Care homes on the 3rd/4th dec. which means the second jabs on Xmas eve and Xmas day..... lol

Also part of the plan is GP s doing all the community work with 8-8 7 days a week. The amount of money- yes they are private entities- doesn’t cover their costs

Just got off my weekly family Zoom. Not a happy one this week.



Sister had a "chat" with her MP a couple of days ago.

For background, Sis is 54, her immune system is essentially shot and she's been around 1/4 lung capacity since her late teens, and until her kids left home she'd typically spend 3-4 months of the year in hospital, with frequent trips to ICU. She hasn't left the house since February - during which she hasn't been in the same room as her husband.

Her husband is a dentist - front line health worker, and will be handing out vaccines once authorised.

Healthy 65 year olds are a higher priority for vaccine than people like Sis because "you're not leaving the house at the moment". Neither Sis nor Hubby are eligible for testing absent symptoms. MP signed off with "I take the train to London every week and have mild asthma, we're all in this together".







My brother works with a lady, 27F who's husband had a heart transplant 8-9 months ago, is on the strongest immune-suppressants going. Husband lost his business. They live in a small small 1-bed flat and simply cannot live separately.

She has to go to work and teach 150+ snotty-nosed kids every day. She cannot be furloughed, she cannot take paid time off work. School has allowed that they could arrange for her to have the entire academic year off - unpaid.

Low priority for vaccine and ineligible for testing absent symptoms.

She's late home after work every day as she needs to compose herself and confront her fear as to whether she's been exposed that day.

The headmaster spoke to their MP on her behalf. "Some people just have to suck it up".

That’s tough WT.

I would personally prioritise working age high risk people. The only hope is that this utterly incompetent government can actually get something right and distribute the vaccine to everyone by Easter at the latest.

Which Tyler wrote: My brother works with a lady, 27F

Clearly a serious post around that which I've clipped out, but still I find myself wanting merely to note that's both unusually small and unusually large

Get in team Oxford/AZN, another great result. If perhaps with the slightly unexpected result that taking not the 2 doses but an initial half dose and then a 2nd full dose provides better immunity (they're still looking into whether that's really a thing and would replicate at scale)

And even with the 70% effective, which we'd still have snapped your arm off for 60 days ago, those getting infected weren't showing up with the same rate of illness and even death as those not immunised so it is good news. Especially when this one is cheaper and easier to store/transport

Sandydragon wrote:That’s tough WT.

I would personally prioritise working age high risk people. The only hope is that this utterly incompetent government can actually get something right and distribute the vaccine to everyone by Easter at the latest.

yeah, good luck with that...They've only ordered a pitifully small amount, and cannot get any more because they didn't sign up to the EU's vaccine plan...

Imbeciles putting people's health at risk.

Meanwhile, here, Hungary will be the only country to get Russia's vaccine. Whoop. So probably that means novichock for everyone!

Stom wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:That’s tough WT.

I would personally prioritise working age high risk people. The only hope is that this utterly incompetent government can actually get something right and distribute the vaccine to everyone by Easter at the latest.

yeah, good luck with that...They've only ordered a pitifully small amount, and cannot get any more because they didn't sign up to the EU's vaccine plan...

Imbeciles putting people's health at risk.

Meanwhile, here, Hungary will be the only country to get Russia's vaccine. Whoop. So probably that means novichock for everyone!

Which vaccine is being talked about? We've ordered varying amounts of the different vaccines. For the Oxford/AZN one we've a huge order in, and that should the one of the easier ones to distribute, and it'll go further still if the initial half dose proves the way to go.

Overall all governments are acting their country first which is an odd way to go about resolving a global pandemic, as ever all news is local.

Digby wrote:

Stom wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:That’s tough WT.

I would personally prioritise working age high risk people. The only hope is that this utterly incompetent government can actually get something right and distribute the vaccine to everyone by Easter at the latest.

yeah, good luck with that...They've only ordered a pitifully small amount, and cannot get any more because they didn't sign up to the EU's vaccine plan...

Imbeciles putting people's health at risk.

Meanwhile, here, Hungary will be the only country to get Russia's vaccine. Whoop. So probably that means novichock for everyone!

Which vaccine is being talked about? We've ordered varying amounts of the different vaccines. For the Oxford/AZN one we've a huge order in, and that should the one of the easier ones to distribute, and it'll go further still if the initial half dose proves the way to go.

Overall all governments are acting their country first which is an odd way to go about resolving a global pandemic, as ever all news is local.

I guess he’s talking about Moderna and has swallowed the lies going around social media that the EU had pre-ordered a trillion doses. Though, he might not be talking about moderna as that won’t be ready to roll out until spring at the earliest, and therefore can’t be the one Sandy is referring to, in which case I’ve no idea which one he’s talking about.

As for a global response it’s not all bad news and U.K. is leading the way with funding:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... nload=true

In other vaccine news, China are rolling out their vaccination whilst it’s still in phase II.....

The global response is weak, because apart from anything else the global response would seem the best way to protect us, but because they answer to us the global response is the afterthought (and not just from us but from everyone)

That's hardly new, global responses are nearly always weak

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:

Stom wrote:
yeah, good luck with that...They've only ordered a pitifully small amount, and cannot get any more because they didn't sign up to the EU's vaccine plan...

Imbeciles putting people's health at risk.

Meanwhile, here, Hungary will be the only country to get Russia's vaccine. Whoop. So probably that means novichock for everyone!

Which vaccine is being talked about? We've ordered varying amounts of the different vaccines. For the Oxford/AZN one we've a huge order in, and that should the one of the easier ones to distribute, and it'll go further still if the initial half dose proves the way to go.

Overall all governments are acting their country first which is an odd way to go about resolving a global pandemic, as ever all news is local.

I guess he’s talking about Moderna and has swallowed the lies going around social media that the EU had pre-ordered a trillion doses. Though, he might not be talking about moderna as that won’t be ready to roll out until spring at the earliest, and therefore can’t be the one Sandy is referring to, in which case I’ve no idea which one he’s talking about.

As for a global response it’s not all bad news and U.K. is leading the way with funding:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... nload=true

In other vaccine news, China are rolling out their vaccination whilst it’s still in phase II.....

As I understood, only the Pfizer vaccine is likely to be available in the short-medium term. So that's what I was talking about, sorry. As I also understood, the UK ordered a couple of million doses, not even enough for all the at risk people, while other EU countries had ordered more in the tens of millions.

Except Hungary, which will be using vodka and novichok.

Stom wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Digby wrote:
Which vaccine is being talked about? We've ordered varying amounts of the different vaccines. For the Oxford/AZN one we've a huge order in, and that should the one of the easier ones to distribute, and it'll go further still if the initial half dose proves the way to go.

Overall all governments are acting their country first which is an odd way to go about resolving a global pandemic, as ever all news is local.

I guess he’s talking about Moderna and has swallowed the lies going around social media that the EU had pre-ordered a trillion doses. Though, he might not be talking about moderna as that won’t be ready to roll out until spring at the earliest, and therefore can’t be the one Sandy is referring to, in which case I’ve no idea which one he’s talking about.

As for a global response it’s not all bad news and U.K. is leading the way with funding:

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source ... nload=true

In other vaccine news, China are rolling out their vaccination whilst it’s still in phase II.....

As I understood, only the Pfizer vaccine is likely to be available in the short-medium term. So that's what I was talking about, sorry. As I also understood, the UK ordered a couple of million doses, not even enough for all the at risk people, while other EU countries had ordered more in the tens of millions.

Except Hungary, which will be using vodka and novichok.

I think the U.K. has enough Pfizer for 20m people.....

Stom wrote: As I understood, only the Pfizer vaccine is likely to be available in the short-medium term. So that's what I was talking about, sorry. As I also understood, the UK ordered a couple of million doses, not even enough for all the at risk people, while other EU countries had ordered more in the tens of millions.

Except Hungary, which will be using vodka and novichok.

My understanding is that the AstraZeneca is the easiest to produce. Certainly the easiest to distribute.
We've ordered 100M of the AstraZeneca, 40M of Pfizer, and 4-5M Moderna.
About 70M doses of other potential vaccines.

We've already got 4M doses of AstraZeneca already in storage, just waiting to be signed-off - which is probably where that confusion comes from.
We have 0 doses of Pfizer or Moderna in hand, as they're prioritising the US market before starting export.

All of which doesn't mean our less cooperative approach with the EU is the correct one, though that ship has sailed and/or even started sinking dependent on bias.

The Oxford/AZ jobby appears to deliver great promise, especially if the arfadose/fulldose arrangement brings the 90% immunity.
Being particularly effective for elders and appearing to be effective reducing spreading from asymptomats added bonuses.
£3 a shot vs £20 or so for Pfizer, plus storable in a regular fridge for 6 months will help the global push.
The specialist refrigeration suppliers, transportation and storage, can stay calm for now.Over to the regulators now.
(Still reckon the take-up in uk might struggle to reach the 70% quickly though, without mandation)

Pleased the airline companies are starting to come out with a message of if you want to use our services we expect you to have taken a little prick

Millions of punters flocking to airports to spread holiday cheer and pathogen across the country. A network of flying incubators. Fucking hell. A few rural hospitals are going to collapse before Christmas at this rate.

morepork wrote:Millions of punters flocking to airports to spread holiday cheer and pathogen across the country. A network of flying incubators. Fucking hell. A few rural hospitals are going to collapse before Christmas at this rate.

There is no way that the rules will be followed or policed over Christmas. This is going to result in lockdown January.

Saw this video in one of the Dutch newspapers - 7000 person wedding in Brooklyn. Must say it looks a mighty impressive turnout, even more so given it was all organised in secret via word of mouth, but in these times incredibly irresponsible.

That part of Brooklyn is hardcore orthodox, like semi-autonomous Vatican City-like.

morepork wrote:That part of Brooklyn is hardcore orthodox, like semi-autonomous Vatican City-like.

So a holy mix of paedos and dodgy financial deals with the mafia