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Scotland back in full lockdown until end January at least. *weeps-theyve-had-a-full-feckin-year-to-get-this-sorted*

In other news, and an indication of why full lockdowns are back, Cumberland Infirmary, Carlisle, was closed to all admissions as of late last night.

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My children are due to return to school tomorrow. They are excited. They've got their uniform laid out and everything ready. They're keen to see their friends. They go to bed at 7pm.

Boris Johnson is making a speech at 8pm which may or may not mean their school is closed, a full 13 hours before they're due to attend. Utter fucking shambles.

Puja

Puja wrote:My children are due to return to school tomorrow. They are excited. They've got their uniform laid out and everything ready. They're keen to see their friends. They go to bed at 7pm.

Boris Johnson is making a speech at 8pm which may or may not mean their school is closed, a full 13 hours before they're due to attend. Utter fucking shambles.

Puja

When was that due date decided on? Before the data on infections/cases/deaths started rolling in a couple of weeks ago?

morepork wrote:

Puja wrote:My children are due to return to school tomorrow. They are excited. They've got their uniform laid out and everything ready. They're keen to see their friends. They go to bed at 7pm.

Boris Johnson is making a speech at 8pm which may or may not mean their school is closed, a full 13 hours before they're due to attend. Utter fucking shambles.

Puja

When was that due date decided on? Before the data on infections/cases/deaths started rolling in a couple of weeks ago?

It's normal return after Christmas holiday - I'm in a lower infection area (relatively speaking), so everything so far has been saying go to school as normal.

See, I don't have an issue with them closing schools. I don't have an issue with them trying to keep schools open. What I do have an issue with is them fannying about and then announcing a charge in policy at the last moment, long after the latest point at which anyone could reasonably adapt to it. It's the Christmas bubbles all over again.

Puja

Oh yeah...Xmas. I am banned fr....don't have children, so I forget about holidays.

If they do get shut in, tell them to come over to Uncle MP's for some good old manufactured race war and see real vaccine luddites in the wild.

Puja wrote:My children are due to return to school tomorrow. They are excited. They've got their uniform laid out and everything ready. They're keen to see their friends. They go to bed at 7pm.

Boris Johnson is making a speech at 8pm which may or may not mean their school is closed, a full 13 hours before they're due to attend. Utter fucking shambles.

Puja

Worth remembering this is the same bunch who threatened to sue schools in Greenwich just ahead of the Christmas Hols who wanted to go online, in an area where cases were going up rapidly and the local hospital I'm told was under severe pressure just into the start of the holiday.

Also worth remembering this is the 3rd or 4th chance HMG have had to lockdown earlier but have delayed until health resources are stretched and cases have grown then needing longer lockdowns. And also worth remembering when they announced their tiers and the decision making process for who went into what tier it was obvious all major conurbations would be into the top level tier, and then London went very oddly into tier 2

I'm also wondering given we all know lockdown is getting worse why they want to wait as late in the day as possible to give such a small amount of time to make preparations. Surely this announcement could've come over the weekend or before 9am today at the latest, I'm assuming it's not coming at 8pm to have allowed time to make the announcement in parliament?

Digby wrote:I'm also wondering given we all know lockdown is getting worse why they want to wait as late in the day as possible to give such a small amount of time to make preparations. Surely this announcement could've come over the weekend or before 9am today at the latest, I'm assuming it's not coming at 8pm to have allowed time to make the announcement in parliament?

According to Boris's speech, it's because they were "trying our hardest to keep schools open." I really appreciate him working up until 7.55pm this evening to try and keep them open, especially since he failed and my eldest is currently in floods of tears because she'd got herself psyched up about seeing her friends. I'm sure the head teachers frantically trying to make sure that everyone's seen the news and won't be turning up tomorrow will appreciate him working so close to the edge too.

Useless fucking cuntpuffin.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Digby wrote:I'm also wondering given we all know lockdown is getting worse why they want to wait as late in the day as possible to give such a small amount of time to make preparations. Surely this announcement could've come over the weekend or before 9am today at the latest, I'm assuming it's not coming at 8pm to have allowed time to make the announcement in parliament?

According to Boris's speech, it's because they were "trying our hardest to keep schools open." I really appreciate him working up until 7.55pm this evening to try and keep them open, especially since he failed and my eldest is currently in floods of tears because she'd got herself psyched up about seeing her friends. I'm sure the head teachers frantically trying to make sure that everyone's seen the news and won't be turning up tomorrow will appreciate him working so close to the edge too.

Useless fucking cuntpuffin.

Puja

My wife’s school leadership team are
Currently trying to work out what the hell this actually means. For the record Boris, waiting until 8pm to make an announcement like this without prewarning schools (but leaking suggestive stories to the media) is fucking idiotic you gigantic cockwomble.

Sandydragon wrote:

Puja wrote:

Digby wrote:I'm also wondering given we all know lockdown is getting worse why they want to wait as late in the day as possible to give such a small amount of time to make preparations. Surely this announcement could've come over the weekend or before 9am today at the latest, I'm assuming it's not coming at 8pm to have allowed time to make the announcement in parliament?

According to Boris's speech, it's because they were "trying our hardest to keep schools open." I really appreciate him working up until 7.55pm this evening to try and keep them open, especially since he failed and my eldest is currently in floods of tears because she'd got herself psyched up about seeing her friends. I'm sure the head teachers frantically trying to make sure that everyone's seen the news and won't be turning up tomorrow will appreciate him working so close to the edge too.

Useless fucking cuntpuffin.

Puja

My wife’s school leadership team are
Currently trying to work out what the hell this actually means. For the record Boris, waiting until 8pm to make an announcement like this without prewarning schools (but leaking suggestive stories to the media) is fucking idiotic you gigantic cockwomble.

One day before the holidays announce staggered return to schools with schools additionally needing to lead internal testing on their return with no testing plans and no staffing resources in place to deliver it, have schools contact families about staggered return and plan throughout the holidays at expense and not taking rest/holiday as they should and then announce this. I suppose there is schools were told they could each have 0.000001 of a military person resource, that figure is illustrative only, as if that insanity makes a difference

Yet again HMG are going out of their way to make things worse, and there's just no need. Saying they were hoping things were going to be better is just not adequate

Sarcasm aside, this sucks rancid donkey cock.

Johnson said the aim was to vaccinate the first 4 priority groups by mid Feb.
That is around 14m in 6 weeks, or 2.34m a week.
As it will take a couple of weeks to get to 2m a week, the last 4 weeks would have to be nearer or over 3m a week?
And this is just one dose.
By then they will also have to starting the 2nd doses for the 1m or so already done.
This is a MASSIVE organisational challenge.

Do we really think this absolute shower of a Govt can deliver this?

fivepointer wrote:Johnson said the aim was to vaccinate the first 4 priority groups by mid Feb.
That is around 14m in 6 weeks, or 2.34m a week.
As it will take a couple of weeks to get to 2m a week, the last 4 weeks would have to be nearer or over 3m a week?
And this is just one dose.
By then they will also have to starting the 2nd doses for the 1m or so already done.
This is a MASSIVE organisational challenge.

Do we really think this absolute shower of a Govt can deliver this?

No

Altho does anyone know how many flu jabs are done per week in a usual year? It feels like we should have most of the infrastructure in place to deal with this, altho as 5p says, I absolutely do not trust our govts to be able to

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Donny osmond wrote:

fivepointer wrote:Johnson said the aim was to vaccinate the first 4 priority groups by mid Feb.
That is around 14m in 6 weeks, or 2.34m a week.
As it will take a couple of weeks to get to 2m a week, the last 4 weeks would have to be nearer or over 3m a week?
And this is just one dose.
By then they will also have to starting the 2nd doses for the 1m or so already done.
This is a MASSIVE organisational challenge.

Do we really think this absolute shower of a Govt can deliver this?

No

Altho does anyone know how many flu jabs are done per week in a usual year? It feels like we should have most of the infrastructure in place to deal with this, altho as 5p says, I absolutely do not trust our govts to be able to

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So can this shambles of a government get enough people vaccinated before the virus mutates enough to make the vaccine useless? Who knows, but it won't be their fault if they fail, it'll be another nasty new variant which no one could have seen coming.

One thing they have going for them is that at least there is some room for error - they can miss their targets but still each vaccination will improve the situation slightly. Unlike testing and contact tracing where being a few days late makes the whole process useless . . . one of the main reasons we're in this situation.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:

fivepointer wrote:Johnson said the aim was to vaccinate the first 4 priority groups by mid Feb.
That is around 14m in 6 weeks, or 2.34m a week.
As it will take a couple of weeks to get to 2m a week, the last 4 weeks would have to be nearer or over 3m a week?
And this is just one dose.
By then they will also have to starting the 2nd doses for the 1m or so already done.
This is a MASSIVE organisational challenge.

Do we really think this absolute shower of a Govt can deliver this?

No

Altho does anyone know how many flu jabs are done per week in a usual year? It feels like we should have most of the infrastructure in place to deal with this, altho as 5p says, I absolutely do not trust our govts to be able to

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So can this shambles of a government get enough people vaccinated before the virus mutates enough to make the vaccine useless? Who knows, but it won't be their fault if they fail, it'll be another nasty new variant which no one could have seen coming.

One thing they have going for them is that at least there is some room for error - they can miss their targets but still each vaccination will improve the situation slightly. Unlike testing and contact tracing where being a few days late makes the whole process useless . . . one of the main reasons we're in this situation.

Speaking of new variants, I've just been reading about the South African variant and how it may not be affected by the current vaccines... all read over the internet, so pinch of salt and all, but still not a great read for a sunny Tuesday morning.

I have no idea where I'm getting this idea from, but am I right in thinking that the natural history of viruses is that they usually mutate to become more transmissible but less deadly?

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Donny osmond wrote: I have no idea where I'm getting this idea from, but am I right in thinking that the natural history of viruses is that they usually mutate to become more transmissible but less deadly?

I think so, as natural selection. Not very transmissable and/or too deadly reduces the host-pool and may lead to fizzle out.

Speaking of hosts, see the re-run happening (literally) - lockdown in the city = f¥ck off to the countryside, where cases tend to be lower and hospitals small ; well 'home' can mean many things, of course. Don't worry about the sh!t you may be bringing with you.
Can't blame the guvvament for that, apart from soft enforcement.

Galfon wrote:

Donny osmond wrote: I have no idea where I'm getting this idea from, but am I right in thinking that the natural history of viruses is that they usually mutate to become more transmissible but less deadly?

I think so, as natural selection. Not very transmissable and/or too deadly reduces the host-pool and may lead to fizzle out.

Speaking of hosts, see the re-run happening (literally) - lockdown in the city = f¥ck off to the countryside, where cases tend to be lower and hospitals small ; well 'home' can mean many things, of course. Don't worry about the sh!t you may be bringing with you.
Can't blame the guvvament for that, apart from soft enforcement.

The longer a virus is able to keep its host infecting others, the better (evolutionarily speaking) it is. Makes no difference if the victim lives or dies at the end of it though (from the virus's perspective). However, a milder disease will tend to keep its host around longer, so there would be some evolutionary pressure in that direction.

Don't worry. It won't be long until we fluff up another zoonotic nasty with our endless encroachment on natural habitat.

Prepared 100 doses of vaccine for some very tired front line health staff today. Part of a chain of volunteers that know how to wield a needle in a vial. Slowly picking up pace, but relying on volunteer labour to get her done is somewhat depressing. Distressingly decentralized. We basically get the product, a crude pharmacy manual for prep, and then hook into throwing darts with our own data recording process for documentation. This effort lives or dies on the back of a finite core of committed physicians and administrators that are the heart of the process. Could be so much better, but it’s a start. The bottleneck here is the fucking insurance factor. Takes longer to log a person into a messy system of “coverage” than it does to throw the darts. The Moderna product is ready to go once thawed, but the Pfizer product requires dilution in facilities that not many places have (sterility). Long slog ahead. Both products are very sensitive to shear forces from shaking/dropping. This is an ongoing issue.

Is this a serious publication in France? If so, wt-actual-f is going on in France?

https://www.connexionfrance.com/French- ... h-new-poll

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morepork wrote:Don't worry. It won't be long until we fluff up another zoonotic nasty with our endless encroachment on natural habitat.

Maybe the politicos are understandably busy, but it's weird there's been little to no advancement on this subject, frankly there's barely any commentary at the highest levels and normally they can talk about the need to talk.

morepork wrote:Prepared 100 doses of vaccine for some very tired front line health staff today. Part of a chain of volunteers that know how to wield a needle in a vial. Slowly picking up pace, but relying on volunteer labour to get her done is somewhat depressing. Distressingly decentralized. We basically get the product, a crude pharmacy manual for prep, and then hook into throwing darts with our own data recording process for documentation. This effort lives or dies on the back of a finite core of committed physicians and administrators that are the heart of the process. Could be so much better, but it’s a start. The bottleneck here is the fucking insurance factor. Takes longer to log a person into a messy system of “coverage” than it does to throw the darts. The Moderna product is ready to go once thawed, but the Pfizer product requires dilution in facilities that not many places have (sterility). Long slog ahead. Both products are very sensitive to shear forces from shaking/dropping. This is an ongoing issue.

Are you running out of vials yet?

For comparison, here they are two weeks behind the rest of the european countries, and are only starting to vaccinate as of tomorrow. Bad marks for Rutte on this one.

So for an outside perspective - I'd say UK is doing a good job so far.

Digby wrote:

morepork wrote:Prepared 100 doses of vaccine for some very tired front line health staff today. Part of a chain of volunteers that know how to wield a needle in a vial. Slowly picking up pace, but relying on volunteer labour to get her done is somewhat depressing. Distressingly decentralized. We basically get the product, a crude pharmacy manual for prep, and then hook into throwing darts with our own data recording process for documentation. This effort lives or dies on the back of a finite core of committed physicians and administrators that are the heart of the process. Could be so much better, but it’s a start. The bottleneck here is the fucking insurance factor. Takes longer to log a person into a messy system of “coverage” than it does to throw the darts. The Moderna product is ready to go once thawed, but the Pfizer product requires dilution in facilities that not many places have (sterility). Long slog ahead. Both products are very sensitive to shear forces from shaking/dropping. This is an ongoing issue.

Are you running out of vials yet?

Each vial holds 10 doses (+ ~15% of one more). They seem fine. Needles could be interesting in a few weeks. And the gloves tear like wet shit paper when you put them on.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/28/heal ... ental.html

So my brother in law had 2 psychotic incidents. Pretty much exactly as described in this article.

Pretty terrible side effect... they’ve changed medication but who knows.

His dad just died of it today, too...

This thing is seriously insidious and much worse than first thought. We need to take it seriously.

morepork wrote: Each vial holds 10 doses (+ ~15% of one more). They seem fine. Needles could be interesting in a few weeks. And the gloves tear like wet shit paper when you put them on.

Not sure whether it is accumulated surplus or no-shows, but there's reports of a mix of..
- pharmacies offering unused dosage at day-end,
(presumably first-come - vaccine probs. needs using pronto), and in uk..
- peeps enquiring at close in GP's if any still going, and getting one early.
Sounds only natural and avoids wastage of the golden sauce, but the matters of prioritising vulnerables and key-workers, and contrived queue-jumping will inevitably arise.