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fivepointer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 1:58 pm Jamie George back too.

fivepointer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:12 pm Singleton retained so maybe George wont be fit to play.

Pleasing to note Sean Robinson keeps his place.

fivepointer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 2:12 pm Singleton retained so maybe George wont be fit to play.

Pleasing to note Sean Robinson keeps his place.

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:31 pm Does anyone predict any changes though? I can't see Eddie taking Japan lightly.

May and George back in if fully fit, maybe finding a space for Porter on the bench?

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:31 pm Does anyone predict any changes though? I can't see Eddie taking Japan lightly.

May and George back in if fully fit, maybe finding a space for Porter on the bench?

Scrumhead wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 3:41 pm We definitely can’t afford to take Japan lightly. Lose and there’s a real chance of 0/4 for the AIs which would be a disaster.

Tuilagi is apparently ‘sore’ so might drop out. Slade probably most likely to drop in I’d imagine.

Banquo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 4:33 pm Only seems like yesterday we were celebrating a series victory over Oz, away , with JVP, Freeman and Arundells emergence onto the intl stage.

badback wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:03 am Finally managed to watch that game. Pretty dire stuff.

Having watched this England for years now my main feeling is that their core problem is a lack of shall we say brain power. They do dumb things and don’t do clever things. The only player in this group that I have heard speak with anything like insight is Itoje. How on earth has he managed to avoid being captain for his club let alone for his country? If I remember correctly he was captain of an all conquering England under 21s. You might think that would be a bit of a hint.

badback wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:03 am Finally managed to watch that game. Pretty dire stuff.

Having watched this England for years now my main feeling is that their core problem is a lack of shall we say brain power. They do dumb things and don’t do clever things. The only player in this group that I have heard speak with anything like insight is Itoje. How on earth has he managed to avoid being captain for his club let alone for his country? If I remember correctly he was captain of an all conquering England under 21s. You might think that would be a bit of a hint.

Oakboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:07 am

badback wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:03 am Finally managed to watch that game. Pretty dire stuff.

Having watched this England for years now my main feeling is that their core problem is a lack of shall we say brain power. They do dumb things and don’t do clever things. The only player in this group that I have heard speak with anything like insight is Itoje. How on earth has he managed to avoid being captain for his club let alone for his country? If I remember correctly he was captain of an all conquering England under 21s. You might think that would be a bit of a hint.

I think Jones's decision not to appoint Itoje is indicative of something lacking in the former rather than the latter. Perhaps the head coach could not cope with a captain brighter than himself.

I wonder how often Farrell has been captain over the years when the team has failed to 'turn up'. For all his reported leadership example, he seems pretty poor on the motivational side, especially when it comes to changing things on the pitch if things go wrong.

Might that be the clue? Jones does not trust a captain with a brain.

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:42 am

Oakboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:07 am

badback wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:03 am Finally managed to watch that game. Pretty dire stuff.

Having watched this England for years now my main feeling is that their core problem is a lack of shall we say brain power. They do dumb things and don’t do clever things. The only player in this group that I have heard speak with anything like insight is Itoje. How on earth has he managed to avoid being captain for his club let alone for his country? If I remember correctly he was captain of an all conquering England under 21s. You might think that would be a bit of a hint.

I think Jones's decision not to appoint Itoje is indicative of something lacking in the former rather than the latter. Perhaps the head coach could not cope with a captain brighter than himself.

I wonder how often Farrell has been captain over the years when the team has failed to 'turn up'. For all his reported leadership example, he seems pretty poor on the motivational side, especially when it comes to changing things on the pitch if things go wrong.

Might that be the clue? Jones does not trust a captain with a brain.

I still haven't forgiven Itoje for going "OWRAGHHHH!" at the referee and clutching himself like he'd been shot when faced with a very mild off-the-ball tackle at the weekend, and then performing the identical routine just a couple of phases later when he got gently bumped, like a kid who wasn't convinced his mum was watching the first time. Wouldn't've blamed the ref to've reversed the penalty for ungentlemanly conduct.

Although, having said that, it's probably a good reason to make him captain. Maybe giving him more responsibility would make him act with gravitas on the pitch, rather than him feeling that he has to keep adding extra value to the team with these weird one-percenter sound effects of roaring and yelling and shouting.

Puja

Banquo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:46 am

Puja wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:42 am

Oakboy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:07 am

I think Jones's decision not to appoint Itoje is indicative of something lacking in the former rather than the latter. Perhaps the head coach could not cope with a captain brighter than himself.

I wonder how often Farrell has been captain over the years when the team has failed to 'turn up'. For all his reported leadership example, he seems pretty poor on the motivational side, especially when it comes to changing things on the pitch if things go wrong.

Might that be the clue? Jones does not trust a captain with a brain.

I still haven't forgiven Itoje for going "OWRAGHHHH!" at the referee and clutching himself like he'd been shot when faced with a very mild off-the-ball tackle at the weekend, and then performing the identical routine just a couple of phases later when he got gently bumped, like a kid who wasn't convinced his mum was watching the first time. Wouldn't've blamed the ref to've reversed the penalty for ungentlemanly conduct.

Although, having said that, it's probably a good reason to make him captain. Maybe giving him more responsibility would make him act with gravitas on the pitch, rather than him feeling that he has to keep adding extra value to the team with these weird one-percenter sound effects of roaring and yelling and shouting.

Puja

Itoje is an odd one, he's playing less on the edge (and conceding less penalties, but I'd rather he played on the edge tbh) but shouting more.