Brexit delayed

[Digby]

I don't understand this. Davis basically said she was ugly - 'I'm not blind' and 'would make a good Optical Express advert' - after being told to 'f**k off' when asking for a hug after she voted with the govt on article 50 (must find out which migraine tablets she uses). Is this now sexist and racist? I don't find her even remotely attractive. Does that make me both racist and sexist? If someone jokingly told me I'd tried to make a pass at her I'd respond with a joke that I don't find her even remotely attractive. I'll go out on a limb and say that I think she's ugly. Are we now not allowed to say if we find someone ugly if they are a different sex and skin colour? I also think David Davis is ugly. Does this make racist and sexist, too?
This wouldn't have even caused a ripple if it involved Andrea Leadsom.

Do you know of any instances of white or male politicians being ridiculed over their physical appearance?

Neil Kinnock. A bald Welsh windbag.
William Hague. Bald.
Ed Milligan. Geek who couldn't eat a bacon sandwich .

Eric Pickles just can't catch a break, mostly as he's a fat bastard and he's too slow, but he should still sneak on a list of those mocked for their appearance

[Mellsblue]

Do you know of any instances of white or male politicians being ridiculed over their physical appearance?

Neil Kinnock. A bald Welsh windbag.
William Hague. Bald.
Ed Milligan. Geek who couldn't eat a bacon sandwich .

Eric Pickles just can't catch a break, mostly as he's a fat bastard and he's too slow, but he should still sneak on a list of those mocked for their appearance

Like I say the list is pretty endless. Let's not forget Tony 'torso of the week' Blair (or is this ok), Michael Gove, John Prescott. There's not much I find to praise Corbyn about but his retort to Cameron's mother's suggestion he smarten himself up during Cameron's last PMQ's was top draw.
I go to an annual dinner near where I live that is always attended by the local MP with another MP as guest speaker. When the compere introduces the guest MP there is always a comparison of ranking on sexymp.co.uk. The local MP hasn't won one yet. The compere is hilarious but sexist.

[rowan]

Neil Kinnock. A bald Welsh windbag.
William Hague. Bald.
Ed Milligan. Geek who couldn't eat a bacon sandwich .

Eric Pickles just can't catch a break, mostly as he's a fat bastard and he's too slow, but he should still sneak on a list of those mocked for their appearance

Like I say the list is pretty endless. Let's not forget Tony 'torso of the week' Blair (or is this ok), Michael Gove, John Prescott. There's not much I find to praise Corbyn about but his retort to Cameron's mother's suggestion he smarten himself up during Cameron's last PMQ's was top draw.
I go to an annual dinner near where I live that is always attended by the local MP with another MP as guest speaker. When the compere introduces the guest MP there is always a comparison of ranking on sexymp.co.uk. The local MP hasn't won one yet. The compere is hilarious but sexist.

& look at Trump!! Of course, plenty of jokes have been made about Obama's ears as well. I personally find it distasteful for a man to ridicule a woman's appearance under any circumstances, but it's a taboo that might also be regarded as outdated.

[Mellsblue]

Following a meeting with Brexit Secretary David Davis, Sweden’s EU Affairs and Trade Minister Ann Linde said that the UK and Sweden have the “same vision” when it comes to making sure that Swedes living in the UK and British citizens living in Sweden have the right to stay after Brexit. From our Daily Shakeup: http://openeurope.org.uk/daily-shakeup/ ... #section-1

Let's just hope Davis didn't try and give her a hug.

[onlynameleft]

Anyone remember the stick Roy Hattersley used to get?

[BBD]

Quiz time!

Name the politician

[Sandydragon]

Quiz time!

Name the politician

FFS, I think I remember that episode. Didn't they replace her with a handbag?

[Sandydragon]

Anyone remember the stick Roy Hattersley used to get?

On spitting image, definitely.

[bruce]

Quiz time!

Name the politician

The Right Honourable Tub of Lard MP aka Roy Hattersley.

[onlynameleft]

Anyone remember the stick Roy Hattersley used to get?

On spitting image, definitely.

Bit more than that I recall, I used to have a "I had lunch with Roy Hattersley" T shirt which came with authentic looking food stains and bits of spaghetti on the front.

[Mellsblue]

Because no one is as underprivileged as white men.

I'll say once again, feel free to read up on white male privilege.

Honestly, if you can't see how fucked up it is that a white male sees fit to immediately attack a black woman over her appearance because she had the temerity to tell him to fuck off, I don't know what else can be said to you.

Have a look at the % of white men going to uni and get back to me.

Are you honestly trying to suggest white men are now a minority on UK campuses? It's pretty easy to disprove such a notion when the universities themselves make their student demographic statistics publicly available.

However, that misses the point. The jump from she's ugly to he's sexist is ridiculous. As I've said, there are so many serious cases of sexism, racism, homophobia etc etc (see the current issues in the synod that will probably get less airtime than Davis' texts) that to make a song and dance about this belittles the serious issues.

As for him 'immediately' attacking her. It was a joking, private text later that evening. A text conversation he didn't even initiate. If he'd immediately responded 'I wouldn't hug you anyway you fat bitch' I could understand the uproar but this is nothing.

Perhaps you could call me a c**t?

Because making a joke about someone's appearance behind their back isn't offensive, right? Honestly "it's a joke, get a humour" is a stupid fucking argument because it isn't even one.

Honestly, if you don't get why a white male critiquing a woman over her appearance is veering into sexism, and refuse to read up on why, there really is no point because you never will get it.

No I'm not, but it's way below their % of the population as a whole.

Being offensive and being sexist are two wholly different things. I think you calling everyone a c**t is offensive and there are plenty of people out there who will call you sexist for using the female sexual organ as a derogatory term. I haven't told anyone to get a sense of humour as it's not funny. I don't get it no and I refuse to read up on it. Mainly as I don't have the time or the inclination but also, as Rowan shows, you can read as much as you like but it doesn't mean you're correct.

[BBD]

Aren't many children's nursery rhymes originally poking fun at political and prominent public figures of the day?
I don't think the inspiration for Humpty Dumpty or little jack Horner would have been pleased by the unflattering descriptions but it shows that whether it's a political cartoon, of someone famous, someone who might be considered immune eg captain James cook for example or Peter cook doing his Harold McMillan impression at the establishment in the 60's or even have I got news for you/spitting image, public figures have a target on their back, it's part of the deal. Getting offended and crying foul rarely achieves the desired result in the long term, it just lets people know they can get to you

[onlynameleft]

Aren't many children's nursery rhymes originally poking fun at political and prominent public figures of the day?
I don't think the inspiration for Humpty Dumpty or little jack Horner would have been pleased by the unflattering descriptions but it shows that whether it's a political cartoon, of someone famous, someone who might be considered immune eg captain James cook for example or Peter cook doing his Harold McMillan impression at the establishment in the 60's or even have I got news for you/spitting image, public figures have a target on their back, it's part of the deal. Getting offended and crying foul rarely achieves the desired result in the long term, it just lets people know they can get to you

Isn't Humpty Dumpty about a cannon?

[Sandydragon]

Didn't spitting image routinely portray a labour politician as a slug?

[Digby]

Didn't spitting image routinely portray a labour politician as a slug?

I thought that was Kenneth Baker, who isn't exactly Labour to his core

[Sandydragon]

Didn't spitting image routinely portray a labour politician as a slug?

I thought that was Kenneth Baker, who isn't exactly Labour to his core

You might be right. I do remember Roy Hattersley slobbering everywhere though.

Real shame it's no longer on tv.

[rowan]

I think you calling everyone a c**t is offensive and there are plenty of people out there who will call you sexist for using the female sexual organ as a derogatory term.

Sure, iIt's not like the male sexual organ is ever used as a deogatory term or anything.

[rowan]

Perhaps after Brexit the UK could apply to become the 51st state of America . . .

European Commission President, Jean-Claude Juncker, claims that Brexit negotiations with the EU will be complex and take longer than the allotted two years.

Speaking on the sidelines at the international Munich Security Conference Junker added that Britain does not have the right to forge bilateral trade deals while still a member of the EU.

President of the European Commission Jean Claude Junker says UK can't negotiate its own trade deals while still a member of the British Prime Minister, Theresa May, is due to trigger Article 50 at the end of March to kick-start exit talks with the European Union.

However, Junker did agree with May that the rights of EU citizens living in Britain and British nationals living in the EU will be resolved quickly.

He also replied to London’s offer to be a bridge to Donald Trump, Junker said:“To put it brutally, we don’t need the United Kingdom Government to organise our relations with the US.”

Juncker has revealed that he will not run for a second term and will stand down when his current term ends in November 2019.

http://www.euronews.com/2017/02/17/junk ... -two-years

[Stones of granite]

Perhaps after Brexit the UK could apply to become the 51st state of America . . .

Why?

[rowan]

Well, for one thing, I see that Coalition of the Killing deputy sheriff Tony Bliar is still having a lot to say about things . . .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -up-brexit

[Stones of granite]

Well, for one thing, I see that Coalition of the Killing deputy sheriff Tony Bliar is still having a lot to say about things . . .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -up-brexit

I'm not following your logic here. Please explain.

[Digby]

Well, for one thing, I see that Coalition of the Killing deputy sheriff Tony Bliar is still having a lot to say about things . . .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -up-brexit

I'm not following your logic here. Please explain.

This seems easy. Trump is in favour of an EU fallout to make Russia more pre-eminent in Europe and Blair wants the UK to stay in the EU, if you can't see how those tie together you're just not reading news in Turkish it would seem. Some allowance is needed there such one should read Turkish as Gibberish, but still the logic is clear

[Stones of granite]

Well, for one thing, I see that Coalition of the Killing deputy sheriff Tony Bliar is still having a lot to say about things . . .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -up-brexit

I'm not following your logic here. Please explain.

This seems easy. Trump is in favour of an EU fallout to make Russia more pre-eminent in Europe and Blair wants the UK to stay in the EU, if you can't see how those tie together you're just not reading news in Turkish it would seem. Some allowance is needed there such one should read Turkish as Gibberish, but still the logic is clear

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding. I had asked Rowan to explain the reasoning behind his suggestion that the UK should apply to become the 51st US state. I thought that post was part of it, possibly not.

So with the lack of any explanation it seems it was just another bit of brainless polemic.

[rowan]

I'm not following your logic here. Please explain.

This seems easy. Trump is in favour of an EU fallout to make Russia more pre-eminent in Europe and Blair wants the UK to stay in the EU, if you can't see how those tie together you're just not reading news in Turkish it would seem. Some allowance is needed there such one should read Turkish as Gibberish, but still the logic is clear

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding. I had asked Rowan to explain the reasoning behind his suggestion that the UK should apply to become the 51st US state. I thought that post was part of it, possibly not.

So with the lack of any explanation it seems it was just another bit of brainless polemic.

Tongue-in-cheek, Stones. Stop being such a serious idiot. But I'm actually too busy to enter an argument with you about it now anyway.

[Stones of granite]

This seems easy. Trump is in favour of an EU fallout to make Russia more pre-eminent in Europe and Blair wants the UK to stay in the EU, if you can't see how those tie together you're just not reading news in Turkish it would seem. Some allowance is needed there such one should read Turkish as Gibberish, but still the logic is clear

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding. I had asked Rowan to explain the reasoning behind his suggestion that the UK should apply to become the 51st US state. I thought that post was part of it, possibly not.

So with the lack of any explanation it seems it was just another bit of brainless polemic.

Tongue-in-cheek, Stones. Stop being such a serious idiot. But I'm actually too busy to enter an argument with you about it now anyway.

Ah yes, the old "tongue in cheek" excuse for moronic posting. Crack on fuckwit.