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Mellsblue wrote:I’ll repeat. It’s not the Zoom you plebs use for your family pub quiz. GCHQ have been involved in security measures.
Given there are cameras in the chamber, in the committee rooms and you can pretty much watch rolling coverage on a dedicated BBC channel I’m not sure what the problem is.
I’m sure anything sensitive/critical/confidential will not be discussed via Zoom. The other answer is govt goes about its business with no scrutiny, as per Holyrood (#stopthecoup), or by packing everyone into the chamber and committee rooms.....

For those proceedings, its also quite fair to suggest that the events are public anyway, so who cares if a third party is recording it.

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:I’ll repeat. It’s not the Zoom you plebs use for your family pub quiz. GCHQ have been involved in security measures.
Given there are cameras in the chamber, in the committee rooms and you can pretty much watch rolling coverage on a dedicated BBC channel I’m not sure what the problem is.
I’m sure anything sensitive/critical/confidential will not be discussed via Zoom. The other answer is govt goes about its business with no scrutiny, as per Holyrood (#stopthecoup), or by packing everyone into the chamber and committee rooms.....

For those proceedings, its also quite fair to suggest that the events are public anyway, so who cares if a third party is recording it.

My understanding of the security breaches that have happened with Zoom have not so much been someone recording it, but someone breaking in and joining the conference. Normally introducing a stream of gratuitous, extreme porn. I suppose that the fact that this hasn't happened live during FM Questions is some sort of evidence (perhaps thin) that they have some kind of security protocols in force.

Stones of granite wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:I’ll repeat. It’s not the Zoom you plebs use for your family pub quiz. GCHQ have been involved in security measures.
Given there are cameras in the chamber, in the committee rooms and you can pretty much watch rolling coverage on a dedicated BBC channel I’m not sure what the problem is.
I’m sure anything sensitive/critical/confidential will not be discussed via Zoom. The other answer is govt goes about its business with no scrutiny, as per Holyrood (#stopthecoup), or by packing everyone into the chamber and committee rooms.....

For those proceedings, its also quite fair to suggest that the events are public anyway, so who cares if a third party is recording it.

Normally introducing a stream of gratuitous, extreme porn.

David Mellor up to his old tricks again?

Stones of granite wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:I’ll repeat. It’s not the Zoom you plebs use for your family pub quiz. GCHQ have been involved in security measures.
Given there are cameras in the chamber, in the committee rooms and you can pretty much watch rolling coverage on a dedicated BBC channel I’m not sure what the problem is.
I’m sure anything sensitive/critical/confidential will not be discussed via Zoom. The other answer is govt goes about its business with no scrutiny, as per Holyrood (#stopthecoup), or by packing everyone into the chamber and committee rooms.....

For those proceedings, its also quite fair to suggest that the events are public anyway, so who cares if a third party is recording it.

My understanding of the security breaches that have happened with Zoom have not so much been someone recording it, but someone breaking in and joining the conference. Normally introducing a stream of gratuitous, extreme porn. I suppose that the fact that this hasn't happened live during FM Questions is some sort of evidence (perhaps thin) that they have some kind of security protocols in force.

You can apply some basic settings to prevent that. Its just that most people didn't bother and then wondered why there was inappropriate content appearing.

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

morepork wrote:So the PM contracts it, spends a week in the ICU, and this Mogg creature imposes in-person voting, now someone else has it?

That's just genius.

Rees-Mogg brought it forward but 261 MPs voted for it. it's government policy, not the (merely) the whim of an extremely odd person.

It'll be interesting to see how many MPs get infected in the near future.

Actually it is his plan. This (not unsurprisingly) wasn't in the manifesto but the government whips were doing their usual thing and it gets passed, despite some internal rebellion.

How do we know Rees-Mogg came up with this plan? All we know is that he presented it. Nothing is going to be brought forward in this way without Johnson's approval, particularly something which affects parliament is such a dramatic way. That this is happening is down to Johnson, not Rees-Mogg.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: Rees-Mogg brought it forward but 261 MPs voted for it. it's government policy, not the (merely) the whim of an extremely odd person.

It'll be interesting to see how many MPs get infected in the near future.

Actually it is his plan. This (not unsurprisingly) wasn't in the manifesto but the government whips were doing their usual thing and it gets passed, despite some internal rebellion.

How do we know Rees-Mogg came up with this plan? All we know is that he presented it. Nothing is going to be brought forward in this way without Johnson's approval, particularly something which affects parliament is such a dramatic way. That this is happening is down to Johnson, not Rees-Mogg.

He's Leader of the House of Commons. By definition, how the HoC goes about its business is his purview. It's possible that it was Johnson's idea and I'm assuming Johnson signed off on it (considering he voted for it), but it's Rees-Mogg's department and officially his decision.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:
Actually it is his plan. This (not unsurprisingly) wasn't in the manifesto but the government whips were doing their usual thing and it gets passed, despite some internal rebellion.

How do we know Rees-Mogg came up with this plan? All we know is that he presented it. Nothing is going to be brought forward in this way without Johnson's approval, particularly something which affects parliament is such a dramatic way. That this is happening is down to Johnson, not Rees-Mogg.

He's Leader of the House of Commons. By definition, how the HoC goes about its business is his purview. It's possible that it was Johnson's idea and I'm assuming Johnson signed off on it (considering he voted for it), but it's Rees-Mogg's department and officially his decision.

Puja

It doesn't matter if it's officially down to Rees-Mogg. Johnson wants this, so it's happening. If he didn't want it, it wouldn't be happening. De facto, it is down to Johnson.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Puja wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: How do we know Rees-Mogg came up with this plan? All we know is that he presented it. Nothing is going to be brought forward in this way without Johnson's approval, particularly something which affects parliament is such a dramatic way. That this is happening is down to Johnson, not Rees-Mogg.

He's Leader of the House of Commons. By definition, how the HoC goes about its business is his purview. It's possible that it was Johnson's idea and I'm assuming Johnson signed off on it (considering he voted for it), but it's Rees-Mogg's department and officially his decision.

Puja

It doesn't matter if it's officially down to Rees-Mogg. Johnson wants this, so it's happening. If he didn't want it, it wouldn't be happening. De facto, it is down to Johnson.

We're back to the discussion on accountability vs responsibility. How far has Boris looked into this in detail or just told JRM to make it happen? I doubt seriously that this is Boris' plan, nothing about him suggests he has that much grasp of the detail and at the moment he has plenty of other things to consider. The general concept is probably Boris', but the clownish detail is JRMs for sure.

He could have achieved the same with a number of MPs in the house and the rest online with equal voting for all via technology. It could have been the start of a revolution in how the Commons operates with electronic voting instead of this ludicrous filing out to be counted in various lobbies. Instead we get this.

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Puja wrote: He's Leader of the House of Commons. By definition, how the HoC goes about its business is his purview. It's possible that it was Johnson's idea and I'm assuming Johnson signed off on it (considering he voted for it), but it's Rees-Mogg's department and officially his decision.

Puja

It doesn't matter if it's officially down to Rees-Mogg. Johnson wants this, so it's happening. If he didn't want it, it wouldn't be happening. De facto, it is down to Johnson.

We're back to the discussion on accountability vs responsibility. How far has Boris looked into this in detail or just told JRM to make it happen? I doubt seriously that this is Boris' plan, nothing about him suggests he has that much grasp of the detail and at the moment he has plenty of other things to consider. The general concept is probably Boris', but the clownish detail is JRMs for sure.

He could have achieved the same with a number of MPs in the house and the rest online with equal voting for all via technology. It could have been the start of a revolution in how the Commons operates with electronic voting instead of this ludicrous filing out to be counted in various lobbies. Instead we get this.

Agreed, the general concept, the ultimate responsibility is Boris's, the detail is presumably delegated to Rees-Mogg.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: It doesn't matter if it's officially down to Rees-Mogg. Johnson wants this, so it's happening. If he didn't want it, it wouldn't be happening. De facto, it is down to Johnson.

We're back to the discussion on accountability vs responsibility. How far has Boris looked into this in detail or just told JRM to make it happen? I doubt seriously that this is Boris' plan, nothing about him suggests he has that much grasp of the detail and at the moment he has plenty of other things to consider. The general concept is probably Boris', but the clownish detail is JRMs for sure.

He could have achieved the same with a number of MPs in the house and the rest online with equal voting for all via technology. It could have been the start of a revolution in how the Commons operates with electronic voting instead of this ludicrous filing out to be counted in various lobbies. Instead we get this.

Agreed, the general concept, the ultimate responsibility is Boris's, the detail is presumably delegated to Rees-Mogg.

They should do it the other way round - just for the comedy value.

I've no idea why when we're discussing this they even need to file into lobbies to assent or disagree with a proposal, even the system working as it's meant to seems anachronistic at best. I can see why Mogg is a fan of pretending we're not even into the 20th century yet, but for the rest of them it's just weird and surely they should have better uses of their time!

Digby wrote:I've no idea why when we're discussing this they even need to file into lobbies to assent or disagree with a proposal, even the system working as it's meant to seems anachronistic at best. I can see why Mogg is a fan of pretending we're not even into the 20th century yet, but for the rest of them it's just weird and surely they should have better uses of their time!

There's a rumour of a disagreement between Rees Mogg and Johnson. Apparently Rees Mogg thinks that formal parliamentary business should be undertaken in Latin, but Johnson disagrees and is insistent on Ancient Greek.

Stones of granite wrote:

Digby wrote:I've no idea why when we're discussing this they even need to file into lobbies to assent or disagree with a proposal, even the system working as it's meant to seems anachronistic at best. I can see why Mogg is a fan of pretending we're not even into the 20th century yet, but for the rest of them it's just weird and surely they should have better uses of their time!

There's a rumour of a disagreement between Rees Mogg and Johnson. Apparently Rees Mogg thinks that formal parliamentary business should be undertaken in Latin, but Johnson disagrees and is insistent on Ancient Greek.

And there I was assuming it was the old double-breasted suit or single breasted suit debate rearing its ugly head again.
Let’s not get started on the six kids with one woman or three.

Mellsblue wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

Digby wrote:I've no idea why when we're discussing this they even need to file into lobbies to assent or disagree with a proposal, even the system working as it's meant to seems anachronistic at best. I can see why Mogg is a fan of pretending we're not even into the 20th century yet, but for the rest of them it's just weird and surely they should have better uses of their time!

There's a rumour of a disagreement between Rees Mogg and Johnson. Apparently Rees Mogg thinks that formal parliamentary business should be undertaken in Latin, but Johnson disagrees and is insistent on Ancient Greek.

And there I was assuming it was the old double-breasted suit or single breasted suit debate rearing its ugly head again.
Let’s not get started on the six kids with one woman or three.

Johnson always looks like he's grabbed someone else's jacket in the rush to get out of someone else's bedroom.

Stones of granite wrote:

Digby wrote:I've no idea why when we're discussing this they even need to file into lobbies to assent or disagree with a proposal, even the system working as it's meant to seems anachronistic at best. I can see why Mogg is a fan of pretending we're not even into the 20th century yet, but for the rest of them it's just weird and surely they should have better uses of their time!

There's a rumour of a disagreement between Rees Mogg and Johnson. Apparently Rees Mogg thinks that formal parliamentary business should be undertaken in Latin, but Johnson disagrees and is insistent on Ancient Greek.

Classic

So, uh, how about that Covid-19, huh?

cashead wrote:So, uh, how about that Covid-19, huh?

Very nice.

Puja

Stones of granite wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: There's a rumour of a disagreement between Rees Mogg and Johnson. Apparently Rees Mogg thinks that formal parliamentary business should be undertaken in Latin, but Johnson disagrees and is insistent on Ancient Greek.

And there I was assuming it was the old double-breasted suit or single breasted suit debate rearing its ugly head again.
Let’s not get started on the six kids with one woman or three.

Johnson always looks like he's grabbed someone else's jacket in the rush to get out of someone else's bedroom.

Someone I know worked on an event where they got to watch Johnson rehearse his ‘just-rolled-out-of-bed, oh shit, sorry I’m late folks, forgot I was speaking at this event today’ routine ahead of time. It must have been strange to watch in an empty room.

In other news Farage will no longer be hosting a show on LBC. I know that will truly upset everyone.

Ha. Old now but I hadn't ever seen this before. The inner workings of politics huh.

I do wonder if a dog would actually win in some constituencies if they wore the right colour of rosette?

Sandydragon wrote:I do wonder if a dog would actually win in some constituencies if they wore the right colour of rosette?

Ooh, I can answer that one! Yes they would.

Meanwhile, Boris Johnson has set up "a cross-governmental commission to look at all aspects of racial inequality in the UK" and has decided the best person to lead it is someone who has been loud about institutional racism being a myth and that "the current accusations of institutional racism by lobbyists and activists" are "a perception more than a reality".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 1592315368

Puja

Why did they slow down for a protestor running in front of the PMs car? That doesn't feel like the right thing to do

Since when was pemission required to expose corruption?

Which Tyler wrote:

Since when was pemission required to expose corruption?

That Jenrick isn't under investigation (and at risk of automatic removal from office) shows how weak our controls are. If this happened in Russia, or Africa, or Latin America it would be taken as an indication of a corrupt regime.