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Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:32 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Digby wrote:
Son of Mathonwy wrote:
Digby wrote: See Cummings for their best example of just not giving a shit how they behave
Yep. Bulletproof, or if not quite that then zombie-like in his ability to take bullets and carry on.
or now letting Javid take a senior advisory position at a JPs having very recently held something of a senior position in government with some leanings toward finance.

I get Boris might want to help Sajid out after the drama over the advisors, but this really isn't appropriate behaviour
If it doesn't get them arrested, they'll do it.

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:01 pm
by Digby
Boris marches out to bravely announce the buck stops somewhere in the middle.

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:46 am
by Digby
Good news, those being asked to self-isolate who are on benefits will be able to get £13 a day. This will certainly ensure everyone you'd want to isolate will do so

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:01 am
by Digby
Agent Cummings adds to his credentials as a super forecaster by again not being able to forecast his way out of a wet paper bag, he hires another weirdo racist and then oddly the weirdo racist has to be fired for suggesting live rounds be fired by the police at BLM.

Bloody alarming that someone like Cummings has been given such authority over the country in the name of taking back control, but will of the people be done.

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:04 am
by Digby
Oh and ID cards are on the agenda again. Something actually in principle I don't object to even if many will, but I do have practical concerns about being able to maintain such a large database along cost and security grounds

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:20 am
by Stom
Digby wrote:Oh and ID cards are on the agenda again. Something actually in principle I don't object to even if many will, but I do have practical concerns about being able to maintain such a large database along cost and security grounds
What’s the difference between the ID card database and passport database?

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:42 am
by Puja
Stom wrote:
Digby wrote:Oh and ID cards are on the agenda again. Something actually in principle I don't object to even if many will, but I do have practical concerns about being able to maintain such a large database along cost and security grounds
What’s the difference between the ID card database and passport database?
A passport database is something one signs up for and isn't able to be polled by electoral services, HMRC, etc. ID card would have to be mandatory and, if it didn't mesh with a lot of other services, you'd have to question the point of having it.

I'm with Digby - I'm not actively against the very concept of ID cards (I look at the system in Estonia which allows people to vote online with envy), but I cannot see this government being capable of delivering it competently and would be dubious about any UK government's capability to do so.

Puja

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:45 am
by Which Tyler


But that's okay, he's an expert in trade - but we've had enough of experts - but...

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:39 am
by fivepointer
He's no expert in trade.

Even if he was, are we not as a free sovereign nation not capable of filling the post with a home grown person who is?

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:53 am
by Digby
Puja wrote:
Stom wrote:
Digby wrote:Oh and ID cards are on the agenda again. Something actually in principle I don't object to even if many will, but I do have practical concerns about being able to maintain such a large database along cost and security grounds
What’s the difference between the ID card database and passport database?
A passport database is something one signs up for and isn't able to be polled by electoral services, HMRC, etc. ID card would have to be mandatory and, if it didn't mesh with a lot of other services, you'd have to question the point of having it.

I'm with Digby - I'm not actively against the very concept of ID cards (I look at the system in Estonia which allows people to vote online with envy), but I cannot see this government being capable of delivering it competently and would be dubious about any UK government's capability to do so.

Puja
Boris Johnson loathes the idea of an ID card, and given he's a man who stands for his principles it's likely he'll bury this latest attempt. Or at least he did loathe the idea until he was one in charge.

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:56 am
by Digby
Which Tyler wrote:

But that's okay, he's an expert in trade - but we've had enough of experts - but...

Blimey that's bad, and it's weird it's quite that bad, did nobody think they might need an answer to these questions, and why is his solution to lie and claim Abbott is an expert on trade? Abbott is fecking shite on trade, or at least if not shite is a hugely combative advocate to send into discussions with the EU because he thinks about trade deals in a very different way. If this is just trying to backdoor a no deal I'd prefer if they just get on and tell us, it's a crap idea but the more advance warning that Boris is going to drop his trousers in trying to deliver on his fuck business line the better

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:47 pm
by Digby
Mellsblue wrote:
Puja wrote:
Mellsblue wrote: Poor people north of Leicester?
Well, I found it funny Mells.

Puja
Thank you. I do find my ‘humour’ caters for an ever dwindling audience but I plow on regardless. Yet another trait I share with Rowan, I suppose.
I did a search on Rowan and decided to quote this one, and then maybe for good form I'll quote myself quoting this post.

Anyway, the point was to mention I was told earlier this week that the artist formerly known as Rowan is now dead. I don't know what from, and I don't know if it's true. But I thought I'd mention, whether one concludes that's to brighten someone's day or to give a heads up about mocking the poor sod in future I leave open to the reader.

I shall now go back to throwing things at the radio whilst listening to speakers on behalf of the government explain why it's fair for them to break a treaty they negotiated and signed.

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:34 pm
by Puja
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
Puja wrote:
Well, I found it funny Mells.

Puja
Thank you. I do find my ‘humour’ caters for an ever dwindling audience but I plow on regardless. Yet another trait I share with Rowan, I suppose.
I did a search on Rowan and decided to quote this one, and then maybe for good form I'll quote myself quoting this post.

Anyway, the point was to mention I was told earlier this week that the artist formerly known as Rowan is now dead. I don't know what from, and I don't know if it's true. But I thought I'd mention, whether one concludes that's to brighten someone's day or to give a heads up about mocking the poor sod in future I leave open to the reader.

I shall now go back to throwing things at the radio whilst listening to speakers on behalf of the government explain why it's fair for them to break a treaty they negotiated and signed.
Huh. Poor old sod. There's no doubt he had several very real problems - hope he's gone to a place where they're interested in the results of the Czech 2nd division cup.

Puja

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:38 pm
by morepork
Hang on. What?

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:07 pm
by Puja
morepork wrote:Hang on. What?
Which bit - Rowan possibly being dead or our government deciding to break international law only in a specific and limited way?

Puja

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:29 am
by morepork
Deed?

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:58 pm
by Sandydragon
Puja wrote:
Digby wrote:
Mellsblue wrote: Thank you. I do find my ‘humour’ caters for an ever dwindling audience but I plow on regardless. Yet another trait I share with Rowan, I suppose.
I did a search on Rowan and decided to quote this one, and then maybe for good form I'll quote myself quoting this post.

Anyway, the point was to mention I was told earlier this week that the artist formerly known as Rowan is now dead. I don't know what from, and I don't know if it's true. But I thought I'd mention, whether one concludes that's to brighten someone's day or to give a heads up about mocking the poor sod in future I leave open to the reader.

I shall now go back to throwing things at the radio whilst listening to speakers on behalf of the government explain why it's fair for them to break a treaty they negotiated and signed.
Huh. Poor old sod. There's no doubt he had several very real problems - hope he's gone to a place where they're interested in the results of the Czech 2nd division cup.

Puja
Agreed on all counts.

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 4:29 pm
by Digby
Digby wrote:I'm not really sure if this deserves to be in this thread or the Brexit one, either way it's a lot of money being used to get something at best comparable to Galileo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-53279783

And it's only a lot of money to buy into an American company that we'd joint own with an Indian communications company, we could still face hurdles with the US dependent on what we want to do with the technology, especially when it comes to any Chinese involvements. It's certainly not the UK alternative we were told we'd have, and it's only a few hundred million to buy in, it's going to take billions more for an idea that might not work out.

Yet another giant fuck up courtesy of Brexit, but with Boris in charge debt is a problem for the future and providing that's not his future he doesn't seem to care

OneWeb as a construct wasn't intended to be used for a navigational system payload, so we're going to have to see if as a concept it can be converted despite it operating at an orbit height around 1/17th of other navigational systems proven to work. I'm sure OneWeb did a terrific job selling the UK government this wouldn't be a problem, but they were failing and looking for any path out of bankruptcy having laid off more than 80% if their workforce and simply keeping enough people in place to keep current satellites (or their capital spend to date) in orbit whilst desperately seeking new investment, but this isn't proven and the UK government has a miserably bad record on technology projects.

I presume we're buying into OneWeb rather than starting our own UK company because of the hope it'll be cheaper to try and piggy back a system that was meant for something else, though Galileo was better and cheaper than either of those options, so again hearty congratulations to team Brexit you useless lying wankers

In new nobody saw coming reports suggest the pissing up the wall of the money spent so far on our alternative to Galileo is to be abandoned.

The only news site obviously reporting the story is the Express, and somehow it doesn't seem right to click on that to see if they've actually got the story. But for now it would seem 'experts' are advising the equipment we spent a shitload acquiring cannot be re-purposed. If they'd agreed to me idea of paying me £5 million to tell this idea wouldn't work they'd have wasted a lot less money. I suspect if the Express do have the story it's the EU's fault

Beyond wasting even more money than Cummings and Johnson like to reserve for handing out to private companies run by their friends and family without proper recourse to the legal tender process we still have the problem of no functioning plan for a GPS system.

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:09 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Digby wrote:
Digby wrote:I'm not really sure if this deserves to be in this thread or the Brexit one, either way it's a lot of money being used to get something at best comparable to Galileo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-53279783

And it's only a lot of money to buy into an American company that we'd joint own with an Indian communications company, we could still face hurdles with the US dependent on what we want to do with the technology, especially when it comes to any Chinese involvements. It's certainly not the UK alternative we were told we'd have, and it's only a few hundred million to buy in, it's going to take billions more for an idea that might not work out.

Yet another giant fuck up courtesy of Brexit, but with Boris in charge debt is a problem for the future and providing that's not his future he doesn't seem to care

OneWeb as a construct wasn't intended to be used for a navigational system payload, so we're going to have to see if as a concept it can be converted despite it operating at an orbit height around 1/17th of other navigational systems proven to work. I'm sure OneWeb did a terrific job selling the UK government this wouldn't be a problem, but they were failing and looking for any path out of bankruptcy having laid off more than 80% if their workforce and simply keeping enough people in place to keep current satellites (or their capital spend to date) in orbit whilst desperately seeking new investment, but this isn't proven and the UK government has a miserably bad record on technology projects.

I presume we're buying into OneWeb rather than starting our own UK company because of the hope it'll be cheaper to try and piggy back a system that was meant for something else, though Galileo was better and cheaper than either of those options, so again hearty congratulations to team Brexit you useless lying wankers

In new nobody saw coming reports suggest the pissing up the wall of the money spent so far on our alternative to Galileo is to be abandoned.

The only news site obviously reporting the story is the Express, and somehow it doesn't seem right to click on that to see if they've actually got the story. But for now it would seem 'experts' are advising the equipment we spent a shitload acquiring cannot be re-purposed. If they'd agreed to me idea of paying me £5 million to tell this idea wouldn't work they'd have wasted a lot less money. I suspect if the Express do have the story it's the EU's fault

Beyond wasting even more money than Cummings and Johnson like to reserve for handing out to private companies run by their friends and family without proper recourse to the legal tender process we still have the problem of no functioning plan for a GPS system.
From the Express article (further corroboration required):
Galileo blow: £5bn UK rival set to be SCRAPPED with MP branding idea a 'vanity project'
HOPES of a British satellite navigation project to rival the EU's Galileo system at a cost of up to £5billion are on the verge of crashing down to Earth with the UK Space Agency poised to terminate the project.

In 2018, Boris Johnson's predecessor as Prime Minister, Theresa May, allocated £92million in cash to investigate the feasibility of the UK building its own system after being frozen out of Galileo, despite having invested upwards of £1billion and developed much of the technology. However, widespread reports have suggested the UKSA has concluded the concept is not a viable one, with the agency declining to comment on the reports when questioned by Express.co.uk today.

Now some in the industry, and within the civil service, now believe the UK's best bet is to try and regain access to Galileo.

Tory MP Tobias Ellwood, chairman of the defence select committee, agreed, stressing the UK is currently without a back-up to the United States's Global Positioning System (GPS), on which it is completely reliant.

Mr Ellwood, MP for Bournemouth West, told Express.co.uk the push for a UK system had essentially been a "vanity project".
Just a multi million pound punt by Johnson and super predictor Cummings. No problem, it's not their money.

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2020 9:01 pm
by Digby
I have no idea how they're getting away with pissing hundreds upon hundreds of millions away with scarce even a question as to just wtf they're doing. The only thinking that seems to have gone into this is that if they tried something it'd work, no matter they must have had some expert input (surely they must?) which can along with common sense only have been ignored.

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:13 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Digby wrote:I have no idea how they're getting away with pissing hundreds upon hundreds of millions away with scarce even a question as to just wtf they're doing. The only thinking that seems to have gone into this is that if they tried something it'd work, no matter they must have had some expert input (surely they must?) which can along with common sense only have been ignored.
They might have had the kind of compliant expert input they get from Whitty, sort of 'well it's risky Prime Minister but I can't be 100% sure it won't be a brilliant success, so do what you want to, it's a political decision anyway.'

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:46 pm
by Digby
Son of Mathonwy wrote:
Digby wrote:I have no idea how they're getting away with pissing hundreds upon hundreds of millions away with scarce even a question as to just wtf they're doing. The only thinking that seems to have gone into this is that if they tried something it'd work, no matter they must have had some expert input (surely they must?) which can along with common sense only have been ignored.
They might have had the kind of compliant expert input they get from Whitty, sort of 'well it's risky Prime Minister but I can't be 100% sure it won't be a brilliant success, so do what you want to, it's a political decision anyway.'
I'm not buying it, at best in this instance they've consulted experts in astrology rather than astronomy.

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:06 pm
by Banquo
Starmer was good yesterday- though I do wonder how his no policy (detail) strategy will play out.

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 7:08 pm
by Galfon
Digby wrote: Anyway, the point was to mention I was told earlier this week that the artist formerly known as Rowan is now dead. I don't know what from, and I don't know if it's true.
it's not something that is made up, generally.
Late night motor-scooter gangs and unseasonally hot (or cold..) weather in Turkey will just have to go unreported too.. rip.:(

Re: Snap General Election called

Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:37 pm
by Which Tyler
https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire
"The thing I regret most about #TheWeekInTory is the actual events. But just behind that is the fact I called it #TheWeekInTory, when in reality I am having to do one every 2 days.
Anyway, grab a pint of Laudanum, hide any sharp objects, and dive in…
1. A few days ago Boris Johnson excitingly announced 40 new hospitals he’d excitingly announced only last year; and then he arbitrarily upped it to 48 hospitals, cos whatever
2. To show how serious he is, he allocated a budget that will pay for slightly fewer than 2 hospitals
3. I don’t want to put doubt in your mind, but he’s promised us a garden bridge, and airport on a floating island in the Thames, and a bridge to Ireland...
4. Anyway, he then promised to turn Britain into “a new Jerusalem”, one of the most violent and divided places on earth
5. Pledging to unify the nation, he decried lawyers as “lefty do-gooders”, hot on the cloven-heels of Priti Patel
6. The ex-president of the Supreme Court said by “undermining the rule of law” the govt “is going down a very slippery slope” towards “dictatorship and tyranny”
7. Boris Johnson then listed all the great things he was going to do in the coming [unspecified period of time], but mystifyingly forgot to mention “Operation Moonshot”, which was the £100bn centrepiece of his Covid strategy only [specified period of time] 25 days ago
8. Un-phased that his Grand Plans last less than a month, he promised wind-turbines would power all UK homes within 10 years
9. He’s only slightly out: a report the next day found at the current rate, the govt will not meet its low-carbon targets for [checks calendar] 700 years
10. And now onto led-by-the-science news: back in May, only 47 days after South Korea introduced mandatory quarantine and free tests with a 24-hour results, the govt introduced quarantine after arriving UK airports
11. But we made it voluntary
12. And then we paused it
13. And then we re-introduced it, but made it shorter
14. And then we added fines
15. But we didn’t tell anybody to police the system
16. And then we said it was all under review
17. And now we’re talking about maybe announcing something new in November
18. But in the meantime, a man operating under the name "Grant Shapps" floated the idea that passengers should have to pay for their own tests, cos nothing says Serious About Public Health like an 8-month delay before shrugging and saying “oh, do it yourself”
19. But first (cos he wouldn’t want to rush things) a mere 253 days after the first UK case, and after a barely-worth-mentioning 60,000 deaths, the govt is considering maybe setting up a task-force to think about quarantine and testing at airports
20. In charge of this Quest for The Truth is Matt Hancock, a forlorn Weeble who this week refused three times to tell parliament whether Serco are still being paid for all the tests they lost, which means they definitely are
21. Hancock bought 1m antibody tests which dept for evaluating tests has said “cannot be trusted”
22. He's has already blown £30 million on antibody tests that were “not fit for purpose”. He learns from his mistakes, and that’s why he’s now making much more impressive mistakes
23. Rishi Sunak said the jobs of all actors were “not viable” and they should find a new career, using the govt’s shiny new careers website
24. Almost every person who uses that site is advised to become an actor. It’s the first recommendation in almost every case. No, really.
25. The UK arts sector generates over £23 billion a year and employs 370,000 people
26. The UK fishing sector generates under 1.4 billion a year and employees 24,000 people (7% as big)
27. Guess which one Rishi Sunak, the man in charge of the budget, says is viable
28. But some sound decisions are still being made: a company run by associate of a Tory peer got a £122m contract to provide PPE only 7 weeks after the business was founded, with no competitive tendering and, thus far, no PPE delivered. So that’s OK then
29. 250,000 businesses NOT closely aligned with leading Tories can't access the loans the govt promised
30. But because the govt didn't track the loans it did give out, it's unlikely we’ll be able to get repaid for a few of them. Well, I say a few. £26 billion. Pennies, really.
31. A cabinet minister said “local lockdowns have no effect. I don’t know why we’re doing them”
32. Another cabinet minster said “there’s no science behind the 10pm pub curfew, it’s back of a fag packet stuff”
33. So the govt said they would introduce more local curfews on pubs
34. But obviously, they told the newspapers about this, but didn’t inform the actual councils responsible for delivering it. Cos why would you?
35. Oh, and obviously, poor areas of the country were found to be four times more likely to be locked down than rich areas.
36. Fraser Nelson, editor of Tory cheerleader The Spectator, said: “Around the world, no govt has been judged to do a worse job by its people, and no country has created as much debt: no matter how you look at it, we’re pretty much the worst in the developed world”
37. And the head of the UK Covid Task Force said that even if we develop a vaccine and somehow manage to order it correctly and get it delivered to the right address, vaccinating all of the UK “is not going to happen”, which is funny way to issue a few thousand death warrants.
38. Anyway, we’ve giggled enough at the dead, let’s move on to the homeless: official analysis of govt housebuilding plans shows it would cut affordable housing by 47%
39. Robert “Elwood” Jenrick defended this policy on the remarkable grounds that he was “on a moral mission”
40. And so, onto Brexit, and Tory MP Tom Tugendhat, who voted to build border checkpoints in Kent, and voted to build a 27-acre lorry park in Kent, and voted to build infrastructure to cope with 70-mile traffic jams in Kent, called on the govt to stop all this building in Kent
41. Feral pipe-cleaner Michael Gove said "things are still looking very positive" and that he thinks the UK now has a 66% chance of what he once called “the easiest deal in history”
42. However, the lead EU negotiator said “it is difficult to feel optimistic about a deal"
43. Boris Johnson, who has spent the last 4 years telling us the Human Rights Act is a terrible thing that Brexit will finally free us from, has been forced to promise the EU that he won’t rip up the Human Rights Act, cos we really desperately need a deal
44. Sadly, he also promised he’d stick to the Withdrawal Agreement, and didn’t. So the EU said the UK deciding to break international law “calls into question trust in future promises and negotiations”, which absolutely nobody saw coming, except for everybody.
45. With only 7 days to go until the deadline for a deal – no, really, 15th Oct is the deadline – the UK chief negotiator, who wants to amend state-aid rules, admitted “no extensive text on state aid rules will be admitted” by the UK
(46?)
47. So we want the EU to scrap its rules, and replace them with a set of vague, airy concepts that we can’t even put into words, 4 years after we voted to do this idiocy, and a mere 27 years after the campaign to leave the EU began
48. But there finally some great news about Brexit: Daniel Kawczynski, top Tory bullshit-hoover, and graduate of the Shaggy school of denialism, proudly announced he’s been appointed Trade Envoy to Mongolia. So we’re saved!"