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Danno wrote:What did Farrell do, at all, other than miss a penalty? I'm including captaining the side in my rhetorical question here.

Tremendous workrate is my guess, normally his work off the ball puts others to shame and this game is likely no transgression. Early in the 2nd half with Scotland on attack on our line I clocked him covering side to side, and that's a norm for him

Digby wrote:

Danno wrote:What did Farrell do, at all, other than miss a penalty? I'm including captaining the side in my rhetorical question here.

Tremendous workrate is my guess, normally his work off the ball puts others to shame and this game is likely no transgression. Early in the 2nd half with Scotland on attack on our line I clocked him covering side to side, and that's a norm for him

I thought his kicking from hand seemed to be among the better of those on show today. Also must have been pretty active in a defence that was pretty dominant. Still, it'd've been nice if anyone had had a bit more of a crack at it.

Mr Mwenda wrote:

Digby wrote:

Danno wrote:What did Farrell do, at all, other than miss a penalty? I'm including captaining the side in my rhetorical question here.

Tremendous workrate is my guess, normally his work off the ball puts others to shame and this game is likely no transgression. Early in the 2nd half with Scotland on attack on our line I clocked him covering side to side, and that's a norm for him

I thought his kicking from hand seemed to be among the better of those on show today. Also must have been pretty active in a defence that was pretty dominant. Still, it'd've been nice if anyone had had a bit more of a crack at it.

He went missing ball in hand bar kicking the ball way when it was a terrible call, and his chat to the ref is bloody awful. But he has his positives.

I don't as an aside blame him for the missed penalty kicks, bar why on earth did he take so many on? Why Gauzere wanted to talk him during one of his kicks I have no idea, the ref needs a serious bollocking for that unless my gin consumption means I'd lost touch with reality

Reading more and reflecting. I perhaps overated f's kicking from hand. I did spend a fair bit of time stomping away in disgust.

Farrell made a couple of decent touch finders and was solid defensively, but that’s about it.

On the one break we actually made after Underhill’s turnover, he ignored a 3 on 2 to make a speculative kick that was easily dealt with.

Underhill on the rare chance he got looked quite a powerful carrier from the set piece and England need to use him much more as a carrying threat against Ireland . Also think our locks need to step up as carriers in that game. Itoje should really start to carry more again and partially offset the void left by Manu and Billy.

I thought Ford was awful. How he stayed on for the full 80 yet gets yanked off when playing well is a mystery.

Full marks to May, the only back happy not to kick away possession

Up front back row were on the money. Mako really good first 20 and thank god Genge came on to put some spunk in the pencil.

Digby wrote:

Danno wrote:What did Farrell do, at all, other than miss a penalty? I'm including captaining the side in my rhetorical question here.

Tremendous workrate is my guess, normally his work off the ball puts others to shame and this game is likely no transgression. Early in the 2nd half with Scotland on attack on our line I clocked him covering side to side, and that's a norm for him

It was one of his better games- put in two nice grubbers and didn’t have to pass. His decisions to take two long range shots (long given the conditions) were stupid though, they both cost a lot of territory. The conditions suited his strengths.

jngf wrote:Underhill on the rare chance he got looked quite a powerful carrier from the set piece and England need to use him much more as a carrying threat against Ireland . Also think our locks need to step up as carriers in that game. Itoje should really start to carry more again and partially offset the void left by Manu and Billy.

Underhill carried loads v France. Itoje isn’t a very good carrier, or rather it’s not the strong part of his game.

Danno wrote:I enjoyed it. Shot from the hip and anyone that watched it won't have an issue.

Enjoyed the sausages part, but it was pretty crass frankly. Combined with Eddies nonsense, it smacked of ‘everyone hates us, and we don’t care’ which has a limited shelf life as a motivator.

Banquo wrote:

Danno wrote:I enjoyed it. Shot from the hip and anyone that watched it won't have an issue.

Enjoyed the sausages part, but it was pretty crass frankly. Combined with Eddies nonsense, it smacked of ‘everyone hates us, and we don’t care’ which has a limited shelf life as a motivator.

It was Genge being himself. Bloody brilliant! A robot he ain’t! Becoming a bloody good player too.

I'm embarrassed to take the points. We were awful.

Mind you it msde the case for Cardiff. All top stadia should have roofs.

dear oh me! there I was desperate for tickets which I eventually sourced and ended up having to sit through the most turgid game I ever had the displeasure to watch. The best part was when they announced that G. Ford was Man of the Match. That was brilliant, I didn't even know he was playing....


copied from scottish board

Well deserved. And please... don't be too harsh on your kickers. Believe me. You do NOT understand how bad the conditions were.

p/d wrote:I thought Ford was awful. How he stayed on for the full 80 yet gets yanked off when playing well is a mystery.

Full marks to May, the only back happy not to kick away possession

Up front back row were on the money. Mako really good first 20 and thank god Genge came on to put some spunk in the pencil.

I did not think Ford was any worse than most of his teammates. Overall, I could not believe that players of international calibre could not adapt better to the conditions, especiallly re. kicking from hand. This was a day for kicking low and hard and for relatively short range (or not kicking at all.) Good schoolboy players can figure that out without a coach having to tell them so. But apparently, experienced England/Scotland internationals can not. It was a shambles of a game that could have gone either way, but it did show that players on both sides are not capable of adapting to anything outside the coach's pre-imposed game plan. Or are not allowed to for fear of being dropped.

Epaminondas Pules wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Danno wrote:I enjoyed it. Shot from the hip and anyone that watched it won't have an issue.

Enjoyed the sausages part, but it was pretty crass frankly. Combined with Eddies nonsense, it smacked of ‘everyone hates us, and we don’t care’ which has a limited shelf life as a motivator.

It was Genge being himself. Bloody brilliant! A robot he ain’t! Becoming a bloody good player too.

Each to their both funny and naive at the same time.

I thought it was going to be terrible after reading the comments here and it was just quite amusing. No big deal.

Banquo wrote:

Epaminondas Pules wrote:

Banquo wrote: Enjoyed the sausages part, but it was pretty crass frankly. Combined with Eddies nonsense, it smacked of ‘everyone hates us, and we don’t care’ which has a limited shelf life as a motivator.

It was Genge being himself. Bloody brilliant! A robot he ain’t! Becoming a bloody good player too.

Each to their both funny and naive at the same time.

Naive in what way?

Epaminondas Pules wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Epaminondas Pules wrote:
It was Genge being himself. Bloody brilliant! A robot he ain’t! Becoming a bloody good player too.

Each to their both funny and naive at the same time.

Naive in what way?

Complaining that the press criticise you when you lose for one. Calling the pundits sausages is hardly likely to help that situation, although it made me laugh.

Banquo wrote:

Epaminondas Pules wrote:

Banquo wrote: Each to their both funny and naive at the same time.

Naive in what way?

Complaining that the press criticise you when you lose for one. Calling the pundits sausages is hardly likely to help that situation, although it made me laugh.

That just how Genge is. The sausage comment is a common one for him and to be fair he’s right. And made I giggle too

Epaminondas Pules wrote:

Banquo wrote:

Epaminondas Pules wrote:
Naive in what way?

Complaining that the press criticise you when you lose for one. Calling the pundits sausages is hardly likely to help that situation, although it made me laugh.

That just how Genge is. The sausage comment is a common one for him and to be fair he’s right. And made I giggle too

Not judging especially, it’s just naive, and even if he doesn’t like it, playing the press is part of the job. Hopefully they won’t turn on him as it’s good copy.

That said, the gobbledygook coming out of Wilkinson yesterday needs a bit of mockery. It’s like a walking self help book.

Banquo wrote:

Epaminondas Pules wrote:

Banquo wrote: Complaining that the press criticise you when you lose for one. Calling the pundits sausages is hardly likely to help that situation, although it made me laugh.

That just how Genge is. The sausage comment is a common one for him and to be fair he’s right. And made I giggle too

Not judging especially, it’s just naive, and even if he doesn’t like it, playing the press is part of the job. Hopefully they won’t turn on him as it’s good copy.

That said, the gobbledygook coming out of Wilkinson yesterday needs a bit of mockery. It’s like a walking self help book.

I'd like to think in an age where the Department for Health and Social Care have refused to talk to the media about Coronavirus, or the Government have refused to talk to the BBC it'd be given scant coverage. But it's the sort of thing which will be looked at if/when England lose and Genge contributes to that loss. But I don't imagine Genge is going to back down

Am I the only one irked by the press narrative that it was a touch of genius for Eddie to select 6 forwards on the bench and it was a game-turner? Literally nobody in the press appears to have noticed that, while he selected 6 forwards on the bench, he only actually brought on 4 of them, which somewhat nullifies the story of having the extra fresh legs.

Also, spare a moment's thought for Tom Dunn, who still doesn't have an England cap. So far, his England career has been: expected to be in the 23 and then ousted last minute by Hartley not getting banned, been named in a 23 and then got injured before the game, been named in a touring squad for Argentina in 2017 where he was likely to play before getting injured, been expected to be in a 23 and then LCD made a miraculous return last week, then this week been named in a 23 and not used off the bench. Next game is in a fortnight, at which point LCD will be back. Poor sod.

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