gaza conflict

[Son of Mathonwy]

Systematic and systemic pro-Israel bias in BBC coverage of Gaza:

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/bbc-civi ... d-coverage

Point of English: making the post above I realised that I was slightly hazy about the distinction between systematic and systemic, about how much overlap there was between the two terms. So, to be clear, since I've got it clear in my head , they have completely distinct meanings.

Systemic means relating to a whole system, eg when something is true or appears throughout a system.
Systematic means done using a system, with a plan, a method.
So sometimes both terms apply, sometimes one or the other, or neither.

That's enough of that, back to the politics

[Which Tyler]

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/bbc-civi ... d-coverage

The BBC’s Civil War Over Gaza

The BBC is facing an internal revolt over its reporting on Israel’s war on Gaza.

Their primary battlefield has become the online news operation. Drop Site News spoke to 13 current and former staffers who mapped out the extensive bias in the BBC’s coverage and how their demands for change have been largely met with silence from management. At times, these journalists point out, the coverage has been more credulous about Israeli claims than the UK’s own Conservative leaders and the Israeli media, while devaluing Palestinian life, ignoring atrocities, and creating a false equivalence in an entirely unbalanced conflict.
...
ARTICLE CONTINUES

[Son of Mathonwy]

Ceasefire deal in Gaza. Will it come to pass? Will it hold? What inducements or threats brought Israel to agree?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... -ceasefire

The Israelis are showing typical good faith by murdering as many Gazans as they can before the deal comes into force.

[paddy no 11]

Ceasefire deal in Gaza. Will it come to pass? Will it hold? What inducements or threats brought Israel to agree?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... -ceasefire

The Israelis are showing typical good faith by murdering as many Gazans as they can before the deal comes into force.

Unbelievable really, let's murder 300 people before Sunday just because we can

[Puja]

Ceasefire deal in Gaza. Will it come to pass? Will it hold? What inducements or threats brought Israel to agree?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... -ceasefire

The Israelis are showing typical good faith by murdering as many Gazans as they can before the deal comes into force.

Unbelievable really, let's murder 300 people before Sunday just because we can

Those murders Defence Actions will surely be the ones that stop the terrorism from happening in the future. Those specific 300ish will make everyone all safe.

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

Just got back from the Gaza protest in Whitehall. Decent crowd considering the police banned the planned route from the BBC HQ, the ceasefire is hopefully going to start tomorrow . . . and it's bloody cold!

I will keep coming to these marches though, whether or not the ceasefire holds. It's a bit of a long road but the occupation needs to end. And god knows what Trump has in store for Palestine.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Ceasefire deal in Gaza. Will it come to pass? Will it hold? What inducements or threats brought Israel to agree?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... -ceasefire

The Israelis are showing typical good faith by murdering as many Gazans as they can before the deal comes into force.

Unbelievable really, let's murder 300 people before Sunday just because we can

Those murders Defence Actions will surely be the ones that stop the terrorism from happening in the future. Those specific 300ish will make everyone all safe.

Puja

Yeah. It's no different to all the previous 47,000 killings really but this does bring into sharp relief how they are just trying to kill as many as they can, for no reason other than to kill them.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Breathtakingly callous and depressing words from Trump on Gaza and how he doesn't expect the ceasefire to hold (or seem to care) and how nice he thinks the location is, if it could be rebuilt in a different way, with different people in charge.

The clip is about 20 seconds in to this Owen Jones video:

[paddy no 11]

The kush is upping his investments in israeli settlements

Gaza will be turned into a Havana style playground

West bank fully cleansed

[Son of Mathonwy]

Trump calls for ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... iden-pause

[Puja]

He just genuinely doesn't understand that they're actual people, does he?

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

He just genuinely doesn't understand that they're actual people, does he?

Puja

My take is that he's an extreme narcissist, so he doesn't care about any people.

He'd turn on the Israelis in a second if it was to his advantage, although this is extremely unlikely because large parts of the US population think they're the good guys. And he only takes account of what US people want if they're useful to him.

[Sandydragon]

Trump calls for ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... iden-pause

I wonder if those who refused to vote for the democrats in key states due to their position on this are now regretting that decision. Trump was always going to be worse.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Trump calls for ethnic cleansing of Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... iden-pause

I wonder if those who refused to vote for the democrats in key states due to their position on this are now regretting that decision. Trump was always going to be worse.

No doubt they will, some MAGA Muslims too.

But I'm not going to blame them*, naïve as they were. It's Biden's fault for funding a genocide, and Harris's fault for not making a break with his Gaza policy. They left an open goal for Trump - all he had to do was be vague.

* unless they actually thought Trump would be worse for Gaza than Harris but abstained anyway - which is pretty unforgivable.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Israel's UNRWA ban began yesterday but they're being vague about how that works exactly, so I guess no one knows what will get them arrested or shot or whatever. Just in time to interfere with aid to a couple of million starving people. Presumably it will also hinder health and education provision in the West Bank.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... nto-effect

This might have got some hand-wringing from Biden but Trump will be all for it (if he can get his head around the concepts involved). No doubt the UK will be silent.

[paddy no 11]

The kush is upping his investments in israeli settlements

Gaza will be turned into a Havana style playground

West bank fully cleansed

And so it is

[Son of Mathonwy]

The kush is upping his investments in israeli settlements

Gaza will be turned into a Havana style playground

West bank fully cleansed

And so it is

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... yahu-visit

'This could be something that could be so valuable, this could be so magnificent'

Just incredible. What a monster.

Imagine Russia bombed Manhattan to rubble then let China take it over, forcing the survivors to be refugees in Canada.

[Puja]

Just sitting there next to a beaming Netanyahu, talking about how his plan is best for the Palestinians because "Gaza is a hellhole, it's very dangerous, it's just destroyed buildings and unexploded bombs. They don't really want to go back there, they only want to go back there because they haven't been given somewhere else to go, it's a very dangerous horrible place," like the danger and death is just a natural characteristic of that bit of land. Like it just spontaneously kills people, like quicksand in movies.

Abhorrent.

Puja

[Sandydragon]

Leila Morgan raised an interesting point when interviewed on the Newsagents podcast. Basically the latest Trump rhetoric might be aimed at the Arab states nearby who have been lukewarm about the two state solution. Threatening to drop thousands of Palestinians onto them might make the idea of leaning into the peace process more and helping a two state solution to come into existence might seem like the least worse option.

Of course that could just be wishful thinking .

[cashead]

[Puja]

Leila Morgan raised an interesting point when interviewed on the Newsagents podcast. Basically the latest Trump rhetoric might be aimed at the Arab states nearby who have been lukewarm about the two state solution. Threatening to drop thousands of Palestinians onto them might make the idea of leaning into the peace process more and helping a two state solution to come into existence might seem like the least worse option.

Of course that could just be wishful thinking .

That strikes me as a very generous interpretation of his motives. I suspect it's probably more prompted by him having had a conversation with Jared Kushner about the opportunity for beachfront property development.

Puja

[Sandydragon]

Leila Morgan raised an interesting point when interviewed on the Newsagents podcast. Basically the latest Trump rhetoric might be aimed at the Arab states nearby who have been lukewarm about the two state solution. Threatening to drop thousands of Palestinians onto them might make the idea of leaning into the peace process more and helping a two state solution to come into existence might seem like the least worse option.

Of course that could just be wishful thinking .

That strikes me as a very generous interpretation of his motives. I suspect it's probably more prompted by him having had a conversation with Jared Kushner about the opportunity for beachfront property development.

Puja

That’s entirely probable. Trump does use a wrecking ball to hammer in a nail sometimes but equally possible that he has been sold an idea of a new Atlantic City type development.

Equally he could be over promising to Netanyahu so he delivers on the Israeli side of the deal knowing that he will never follow through. But Ira a big risk to piss off Hamas in the middle of current negotiations.

And equally there may be no plan at all, just whatever vague ideas filter through is brain today.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Leila Morgan raised an interesting point when interviewed on the Newsagents podcast. Basically the latest Trump rhetoric might be aimed at the Arab states nearby who have been lukewarm about the two state solution. Threatening to drop thousands of Palestinians onto them might make the idea of leaning into the peace process more and helping a two state solution to come into existence might seem like the least worse option.

Of course that could just be wishful thinking .

That strikes me as a very generous interpretation of his motives. I suspect it's probably more prompted by him having had a conversation with Jared Kushner about the opportunity for beachfront property development.

Puja

That’s entirely probable. Trump does use a wrecking ball to hammer in a nail sometimes but equally possible that he has been sold an idea of a new Atlantic City type development.

Equally he could be over promising to Netanyahu so he delivers on the Israeli side of the deal knowing that he will never follow through. But Ira a big risk to piss off Hamas in the middle of current negotiations.

And equally there may be no plan at all, just whatever vague ideas filter through is brain today.

Netanyahu is delighted to go along with this shit for the moment. Obviously he would never give the US ownership of the land (not that it's his to give) but if Trump goes some way towards this it's all good for him. This talk from Trump makes it more likely that Hamas will withdraw from the ceasefire plan (or in some way give Netanyahu the excuse he wants to return to the slaughter), since their reward for completing the plan will be ethnic cleansing. In effect Trump is sabotaging the ceasefire plan. Also having Trump normalise ethnic cleansing, war crimes and crimes against humanity (the removal of Gazans is all three of these) and generally taking a lower moral stance than Vladimir Putin is great for Netanyahu.

Trump's obviously decided to do whatever he likes, with little thought to the consequences and no thought to the legality. Whatever he can get away with. Already we have seen him threaten then withdraw sanctions several times. Whatever happens is what he will claim he was trying to achieve. Does he really want to have Americans fighting Hamas, or directly bombing the Gazan population into extinction? Nah, he just wants to move in when the fighting's over (but Netanyahu will never give him the keys to the place). He want to expand American real estate (and in the process at least get some real estate for himself - don't doubt that this is part of it) and he wants a number of projects underway to improve his chances of success somewhere in the world.

[Which Tyler]

I think Trump's just decided that he's going to just grab everything that he wants - whilst presumably privately acknowledging that he'll be prevented on plenty; but possession in 9/10 of the law; so he'll find out how much he can keep once it's gone through the legal process with some VERY expensive lawyers for him / the government / Elon Musk.

Take it
Abuse it
Copy it (if it's data)
Hand back what you have to, having already sure your lawyers are better and most of the judges owe you favour
Pardon anyone who acts illegally whilst helping him
Fire anyone he can who's remotely obstructive (or just because they're female / coloured / disabled etc)

After all, it's not like he's actual got the interests of anyone who isn't called "Trump" in mind in the slightest - and I suspect he'd be happy enough to throw any disagreeable Trumps under the bus too.

[paddy no 11]

Leila Morgan raised an interesting point when interviewed on the Newsagents podcast. Basically the latest Trump rhetoric might be aimed at the Arab states nearby who have been lukewarm about the two state solution. Threatening to drop thousands of Palestinians onto them might make the idea of leaning into the peace process more and helping a two state solution to come into existence might seem like the least worse option.

Of course that could just be wishful thinking .

Miriam adelson gave trump 100M to destroy the west bank, Trump's inner circle is full of zionists who want a greater Israel. Their is a ceasefire in gaza because the job is finished it's uninhabitable now they just need to push the Palestinians out and move onto the west bank.