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[quote="Vladimir "MUSCLY MUSCLE MAN MANLY MANBEARMAN MUSCLEBOY MANBOY MUSCLY MAN MAN Putin"]the expansion of jurisdiction by one nation beyond the territory of its borders, to the rest of the world, is unacceptable and destructive for international relations.[/quote]

Heh.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/n ... ,18:64:1ro

Read in Ukrainian news that Johnson has asked his secret services whether he could visit Kyiv safely for a face to face meeting with Zelensky. Would be great if so, although I'm sure his motivation would be related to his adoration and desire to imitate his hero Churchill.

What possible use would Boris be on the ground there? He'd just be in the fucking way.

morepork wrote:What possible use would Boris be on the ground there? He'd just be in the fucking way.

Worse than that, if he were to manage to get himself killed, even from some random shell rather than a targetted attack, it would be a massive cassus belli. I'd imagine his security have told him to fuck all the way off.

I've no doubt that he genuinely believes his bon mots and bonhomie would be an active boon to the Ukranian people, but every outside observer would agree that they're suffering enough and don't deserve him visiting.

Puja

Puja wrote:

morepork wrote:What possible use would Boris be on the ground there? He'd just be in the fucking way.

Worse than that, if he were to manage to get himself killed, even from some random shell rather than a targetted attack, it would be a massive cassus belli. I'd imagine his security have told him to fuck all the way off.

I've no doubt that he genuinely believes his bon mots and bonhomie would be an active boon to the Ukranian people, but every outside observer would agree that they're suffering enough and don't deserve him visiting.

Puja

I actually think that despite the risks, if he were to go there, it would definitely be a greatly symbolic act of solidarity, despite his motivations. Morale is very important and one's true friends reveal themselves when they are there for you in times of crisis and hardship.

A 96-year-old prisoner of fascist concentration camps died in Kharkov. Boris Romanchenko survived Buchenwald, Peenemünde, Dora-Mittelbau and Bergen-Belsen, but was killed by a Russian rocket in his apartment during the "denazification operation."


It's a strange sort of denazification that finishes off the surviving enemies of the Nazis.

Zhivago wrote:

Puja wrote:

morepork wrote:What possible use would Boris be on the ground there? He'd just be in the fucking way.

Worse than that, if he were to manage to get himself killed, even from some random shell rather than a targetted attack, it would be a massive cassus belli. I'd imagine his security have told him to fuck all the way off.

I've no doubt that he genuinely believes his bon mots and bonhomie would be an active boon to the Ukranian people, but every outside observer would agree that they're suffering enough and don't deserve him visiting.

Puja

I actually think that despite the risks, if he were to go there, it would definitely be a greatly symbolic act of solidarity, despite his motivations. Morale is very important and one's true friends reveal themselves when they are there for you in times of crisis and hardship.

He's a clown. He will make some ridiculous statement that will panic everyone and make things worse.

morepork wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Puja wrote:
Worse than that, if he were to manage to get himself killed, even from some random shell rather than a targetted attack, it would be a massive cassus belli. I'd imagine his security have told him to fuck all the way off.

I've no doubt that he genuinely believes his bon mots and bonhomie would be an active boon to the Ukranian people, but every outside observer would agree that they're suffering enough and don't deserve him visiting.

Puja

I actually think that despite the risks, if he were to go there, it would definitely be a greatly symbolic act of solidarity, despite his motivations. Morale is very important and one's true friends reveal themselves when they are there for you in times of crisis and hardship.

He's a clown. He will make some ridiculous statement that will panic everyone and make things worse.

The prick would be there 100% for the photo op. Any benefit to the Ukrainians would be entirely accidental.

And, seriously, what would happen if he got killed? What would our response actually be?? Escalate or encourage Putin by our inaction - neither is good.

cashead wrote:

Classic bullshit from a master of gobshitery. Best ignored though - like any loudmouth, he's only doing it to get attention.

It is, of course, yet another sign of his intrinsic unseriousness, divisiveness and unfitness for office.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

morepork wrote:

Zhivago wrote:
I actually think that despite the risks, if he were to go there, it would definitely be a greatly symbolic act of solidarity, despite his motivations. Morale is very important and one's true friends reveal themselves when they are there for you in times of crisis and hardship.

He's a clown. He will make some ridiculous statement that will panic everyone and make things worse.

The prick would be there 100% for the photo op. Any benefit to the Ukrainians would be entirely accidental.

And, seriously, what would happen if he got killed? What would our response actually be?? Escalate or encourage Putin by our inaction - neither is good.

I think Europe should get involved. If you don't stand up to bullies then they just get worse.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:The prick would be there 100% for the photo op. Any benefit to the Ukrainians would be entirely accidental.

And, seriously, what would happen if he got killed? What would our response actually be?? Escalate or encourage Putin by our inaction - neither is good.

Basically, he's been out of the spotlight for 5 minutes, and he doesn't like it

20% of staff furloughed now at Moscow Int. Airport, where 2/5 terminals are closed due to reduced traffic.Difficult apparently to find a bag of sugar anywhere in the city due to panic buying, but I think bog-rolls are ok for now..
MoD update on Russ. progress states 'largely stalled on all fronts' still.VP's senior ranking commanders appear to be targeted with 6 taken out (including 4 generals) already.
He will be getting angrier still now, surely ..

I'll post screen caps later, but it appears that there was an accidental leak of Russian casualty numbers: 9861 dead, 16153 wounded.

These are close to the numbers guesstimated by American intelligence, but it's still a conservative estimate.

To put it in perspective, that's more dead Russians than both Chechen Wars combined, and more than the number of dead Americans servicemen and women over 20 years in Afghanistan. They did this in 3 weeks.

Edit:


So here's what Komsomolskaya Pravda published before they scrubbed it.

Here's a screencap of the text run through Google Translate.

Galfon wrote:20% of staff furloughed now at Moscow Int. Airport, where 2/5 terminals are closed due to reduced traffic.Difficult apparently to find a bag of sugar anywhere in the city due to panic buying, but I think bog-rolls are ok for now..
MoD update on Russ. progress states 'largely stalled on all fronts' still.VP's senior ranking commanders appear to be targeted with 6 taken out (including 4 generals) already.
He will be getting angrier still now, surely ..

Yes he will be and the use of hypersonic missiles is probably a reflection of that (and the sudden realisation that NATO weapons are causing carnage in his military). I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he used chemical weapons. I suspect that he would prefer that than lose.

Puja wrote:

morepork wrote:What possible use would Boris be on the ground there? He'd just be in the fucking way.

Worse than that, if he were to manage to get himself killed, even from some random shell rather than a targetted attack, it would be a massive cassus belli. I'd imagine his security have told him to fuck all the way off.

I've no doubt that he genuinely believes his bon mots and bonhomie would be an active boon to the Ukranian people, but every outside observer would agree that they're suffering enough and don't deserve him visiting.

Puja

If he were To visit on of the western areas of Ukraine then the risk would be minimal and it would be an act of solidarity. My issue is that it’s Boris and he is more likely to say/ do something idiotic and piss off the Ukrainians.

Zhivago wrote:Read in Ukrainian news that Johnson has asked his secret services whether he could visit Kyiv safely for a face to face meeting with Zelensky. Would be great if so, although I'm sure his motivation would be related to his adoration and desire to imitate his hero Churchill.

It’s absolutely so he can ape Churchill. There is no altruistic bone in his body

Sandydragon wrote:I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he used chemical weapons. I suspect that he would prefer that than lose.

You wouldn't put it past him - Biden has used 'backs to the wall' reference, (bit premature maybe) but Mariupol having refused to surrender and stuck in costly guerilla tactics in the centre, he must be itching to clean it out pronto. It's in the way on his Russ.- Donbass-Crimea/Odessa-Moldova highway to hell, and US are warninng of false flag pretexts.

Galfon wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he used chemical weapons. I suspect that he would prefer that than lose.

You wouldn't put it past him - Biden has used 'backs to the wall' reference, (bit premature maybe) but Mariupol having refused to surrender and stuck in costly guerilla tactics in the centre, he must be itching to clean it out pronto. It's in the way on his Russ.- Donbass-Crimea/Odessa-Moldova highway to hell, and US are warninng of false flag pretexts.

Yeah, lots of false accusations about Ukrainian chemical and bio weapons in the last couple of weeks, it’s following the usual pattern. If he lets rip with sarin as per Syria then the results will be utterly horrific.

Donald Trump, in an effort to stay relevant, weighs in on what he would do to address this crisis:

“Well, what I would do, is I would — we would — we have tremendous military capability and what we can do without planes, to be honest with you, without 44-year-old jets, what we can do is enormous. And we should be doing it and we should be helping them to survive and they’re doing an amazing job.”

“I listen to [Vladimir Putin] constantly using the n word. That’s the n word, and he’s constantly using it: the nuclear word. And we never talk of, we say, ‘Oh, he’s a nuclear power.’ But we’re a greater nuclear power. We have the greatest submarines in the world, most powerful machines ever built. Most powerful, and they got built under me. Most powerful machines ever built, and nobody knows where they are. And you should say, ‘Look, if you mention that word one more time, we’re going to send them over, and we’ll be coasting back and forth up and down your coast.’”

Words cannot express how much of a liability stupid men like him and Boris are. The world is heartily sick and tired of these stupid men being in power.

Former US General on why he believes the Russian body count is shockingly high









Also, more sanctions incoming, apparently.

morepork wrote:Donald Trump, in an effort to stay relevant, weighs in on what he would do to address this crisis:

“Well, what I would do, is I would — we would — we have tremendous military capability and what we can do without planes, to be honest with you, without 44-year-old jets, what we can do is enormous. And we should be doing it and we should be helping them to survive and they’re doing an amazing job.”

“I listen to [Vladimir Putin] constantly using the n word. That’s the n word, and he’s constantly using it: the nuclear word. And we never talk of, we say, ‘Oh, he’s a nuclear power.’ But we’re a greater nuclear power. We have the greatest submarines in the world, most powerful machines ever built. Most powerful, and they got built under me. Most powerful machines ever built, and nobody knows where they are. And you should say, ‘Look, if you mention that word one more time, we’re going to send them over, and we’ll be coasting back and forth up and down your coast.’”

Words cannot express how much of a liability stupid men like him and Boris are. The world is heartily sick and tired of these stupid men being in power.

I hope you’re right, but I’m not betting my mortgage on it.

The casualty bit is interesting and it’s not unexpected that Russia would have higher casualties than Ukraine, that’s the nature of attacking you normally carry the cost more until you can break through. Also history shows is that armoured vehicles in attack are more likely to be taken out than those in defensive positions. The point about nato weapons hitting the turret tops is a good one. If the ammunition explodes then it’s a catastrophic kill and no one gets out of that.

I’d also suggest that Russian commanders have a history of being very wasteful of personnel. They have always had large numbers of troops and it can make commanders careless.

Anyone who looked at the projections for nato vs Warsaw Pact in Germany WWIII scenarios can’t have missed the huge casualty projections, even without CBRN weapons. And in particular, urban warfare is hugely costly when a grenade or sniper round from the shadows can kill very easily.

There are reports in the times today about Russian troops either deserting or refusing to obey orders. Given the bullshit they have been fed not surprised. Putting yourself through all that to defend your country is one thing but not because of a paranoid wet dream. Conscript armies just don’t work like that.

Sandydragon wrote:The casualty bit is interesting and it’s not unexpected that Russia would have higher casualties than Ukraine, that’s the nature of attacking you normally carry the cost more until you can break through. Also history shows is that armoured vehicles in attack are more likely to be taken out than those in defensive positions. The point about nato weapons hitting the turret tops is a good one. If the ammunition explodes then it’s a catastrophic kill and no one gets out of that.

I’d also suggest that Russian commanders have a history of being very wasteful of personnel. They have always had large numbers of troops and it can make commanders careless.

Anyone who looked at the projections for nato vs Warsaw Pact in Germany WWIII scenarios can’t have missed the huge casualty projections, even without CBRN weapons. And in particular, urban warfare is hugely costly when a grenade or sniper round from the shadows can kill very easily.

There are reports in the times today about Russian troops either deserting or refusing to obey orders. Given the bullshit they have been fed not surprised. Putting yourself through all that to defend your country is one thing but not because of a paranoid wet dream. Conscript armies just don’t work like that.

There's got to be a tipping point where there's enough dissent to become contagious, especially with Ukraine's decapitation strikes on generals and senior officers (of course not aided by US intelligence because they're specifically not getting involved, of course). That's another possible end to the war (and potentially Putin), in the same way that the Kiel mutiny brought an end to WW1 and the Kaiser.

Mind, Russia's armed forces have got to be pretty secure against that with Putin's control over the media and propaganda narrative, combined with the Russian national story of their indomitable armed forces.

Puja

I read about a week ago that the Ukrainians are finding dead Russians that were chained up to prevent them from deserting.

Regarding the dead commanders, it doesn't help the Russians that their communications are being constantly jammed, resulting in them resorting to using commercial cellphones, which are getting intercepted and hacked, leading to the Ukrainians picking them off.