RugbyRebels

Early days with this variant but enough people who are worth listening to are very concerned.

Govt has reacted far quicker than normal, so maybe they understand this could be quite nasty.

fivepointer wrote:Early days with this variant but enough people who are worth listening to are very concerned.

Govt has reacted far quicker than normal, so maybe they understand this could be quite nasty.

Are there any figures about the rates with vaccine or without, yet?

I’m amazed at how many people still ignore the figures when the differences between hospitalization with and without the vaccine are so huge.

Puts the fucking Lions tour into perspective. Plus how many South Africans traveled to the UK during the Autumn internationals.

Another masterclass in public health.

Just when you hoped that the worst was over and we were edging back to normality. If this is far more contagious and existing vaccines are less effective then that’s really worrying.

Evolving so quick , it's jumped past 10 letters of the Greek alphabet !

I'd heard it popped up in Hong Kong, and now it's reared its head in Belgium.

Wear them masks, avoid crowds, stay the fuck at home and for the love of god, get vaccinated.

The worst that'll happen is you'll get incredible phone and internet reception when the 5g chips are activated after the second jab.

cashead wrote:I'd heard it popped up in Hong Kong, and now it's reared its head in Belgium.

Wear them masks, avoid crowds, stay the fuck at home and for the love of god, get vaccinated.

The worst that'll happen is you'll get incredible phone and internet reception when the 5g chips are activated after the second jab.

Chief, 3/4 of the world has been flying around from country to country willy nilly for the past two years because business. It's pretty much hopeless.

morepork wrote:Puts the fucking Lions tour into perspective. Plus how many South Africans traveled to the UK during the Autumn internationals.

Another masterclass in public health.

S'ok, we kept the roof open. That should do the trick, right?

Ok, can I have a question that genuinely comes from a good place?

If cases in the worst hit countries in Europe are around 10-15k/1m, that means 1-2% are catching it. Hospitalization rates in the UK are 6.5 out of 100k, which is 0.0065%, which is around that 4-7% of cases. Mortality is around 2-3% globally, which is skewed by abnormally high results in countries without strict testing regimes.

The Uk seems to be around 1.4-1.5%.

Which means around 0.0005% of people are dying of it? Is that right?

I know that the rate has dropped considerably since last winter, partly (or probably mainly) due to the vaccination, but that’s still a very low rate, no?

It seems to me that localized restrictions may be the way forward. When there are specific flare ups in regions to ban all travel to and from that region. And global restrictions that just cause mistrust in areas where there are very few cases can be removed.

Suggesting, once again, that the biggest problem with Covid is politics and nationalism, with their inability to coordinate and act in their electorates best interests.

Stom wrote:Ok, can I have a question that genuinely comes from a good place?

If cases in the worst hit countries in Europe are around 10-15k/1m, that means 1-2% are catching it. Hospitalization rates in the UK are 6.5 out of 100k, which is 0.0065%, which is around that 4-7% of cases. Mortality is around 2-3% globally, which is skewed by abnormally high results in countries without strict testing regimes.

The Uk seems to be around 1.4-1.5%.

Which means around 0.0005% of people are dying of it? Is that right?

I know that the rate has dropped considerably since last winter, partly (or probably mainly) due to the vaccination, but that’s still a very low rate, no?

It seems to me that localized restrictions may be the way forward. When there are specific flare ups in regions to ban all travel to and from that region. And global restrictions that just cause mistrust in areas where there are very few cases can be removed.

Suggesting, once again, that the biggest problem with Covid is politics and nationalism, with their inability to coordinate and act in their electorates best interests.

Yeah, you can't calculate such things like that. You should look for some kind of longitudinal study, probably a prospective cohort study, cos of the various factors that influence mortality.

Zhivago wrote:

Stom wrote:Ok, can I have a question that genuinely comes from a good place?

If cases in the worst hit countries in Europe are around 10-15k/1m, that means 1-2% are catching it. Hospitalization rates in the UK are 6.5 out of 100k, which is 0.0065%, which is around that 4-7% of cases. Mortality is around 2-3% globally, which is skewed by abnormally high results in countries without strict testing regimes.

The Uk seems to be around 1.4-1.5%.

Which means around 0.0005% of people are dying of it? Is that right?

I know that the rate has dropped considerably since last winter, partly (or probably mainly) due to the vaccination, but that’s still a very low rate, no?

It seems to me that localized restrictions may be the way forward. When there are specific flare ups in regions to ban all travel to and from that region. And global restrictions that just cause mistrust in areas where there are very few cases can be removed.

Suggesting, once again, that the biggest problem with Covid is politics and nationalism, with their inability to coordinate and act in their electorates best interests.

Yeah, you can't calculate such things like that. You should look for some kind of longitudinal study, probably a prospective cohort study, cos of the various factors that influence mortality.

Why?

Confirmed infection rate is 1-2%, is that not correct?

Confirmed infection rate on vaccinated vs unvaccinated is insane...

But still, 1-2% is...low?

Stom wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Stom wrote:Ok, can I have a question that genuinely comes from a good place?

If cases in the worst hit countries in Europe are around 10-15k/1m, that means 1-2% are catching it. Hospitalization rates in the UK are 6.5 out of 100k, which is 0.0065%, which is around that 4-7% of cases. Mortality is around 2-3% globally, which is skewed by abnormally high results in countries without strict testing regimes.

The Uk seems to be around 1.4-1.5%.

Which means around 0.0005% of people are dying of it? Is that right?

I know that the rate has dropped considerably since last winter, partly (or probably mainly) due to the vaccination, but that’s still a very low rate, no?

It seems to me that localized restrictions may be the way forward. When there are specific flare ups in regions to ban all travel to and from that region. And global restrictions that just cause mistrust in areas where there are very few cases can be removed.

Suggesting, once again, that the biggest problem with Covid is politics and nationalism, with their inability to coordinate and act in their electorates best interests.

Yeah, you can't calculate such things like that. You should look for some kind of longitudinal study, probably a prospective cohort study, cos of the various factors that influence mortality.

Why?

Confirmed infection rate is 1-2%, is that not correct?

Confirmed infection rate on vaccinated vs unvaccinated is insane...

But still, 1-2% is...low?

Where have you got 1-2% from? 10 million have had covid out of a population of 70 million. That's 14% of the population. Mortality rate given covid infection is around 1.5%, and rises to around 25% if hospitalised. Now vaccination might change this, but the current infection rate is 0.1% per day, even with about 70%+ people vaccinated. It is concerning.

But the risks and outcomes vary greatly between different segments of the population, so I don't think it's helpful to focus on the overall statistics. That is a blunt and stupid way to make policy decisions. As a society we should look after the most vulnerable, not see them as acceptable collateral damage.

Welp. That's Christmas cancelled.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59445388

Puja

Yay, booster incoming in a fortnight's time
Hopefully I'll be offered flu at the same time, though I'm less fussed about that personally

Which Tyler wrote:Yay, booster incoming in a fortnight's time
Hopefully I'll be offered flu at the same time, though I'm less fussed about that personally

Less flu = more hospital capacity...

I'm aware.
But I'm still phobic of needles, very low risk, and personally have a high historical response to flu

Which Tyler wrote:I'm aware.
But I'm still phobic of needles, very low risk, and personally have a high historical response to flu

I get it, but it is still a viral pathogen and will reproduce for as long as receptive hosts are available. You guys will probably be locked up again soon anyway.

Yes, but I'm still less fussed about it

Visualising SARS-CoV-2 transmission routes and mitigations
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj-2021-065312.full

Boosterola'd today - mixn'match so it was, Pfiz. following AZ for #1 & 2. Floovax'd last month so hopefully well set for the winter..
as a portly owd get in customer facing role (with screen, obvs.), can't get too cocky.
I'm of the opinion micro-dosing helps too - hardly anyone's had it in our busy orifice (nor the supermarket over the road).
Fingers crossed the Omicron's bark is worse than it's bite and actually does us a favour for a bit.

Which Tyler wrote:

It's rare that Jimmy Carr is absolutely on the money, but...

Puja

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