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Which Tyler
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Re: Trump
I think I'm starting to move towards a conspiracy theory camp... as far as the middle East is concerned, Russia seems to be the winner in just about every decision Trump has made.
His genius plan on defeating ISIS seems to have been "let Russia do what they want, and win allies in the region" - with a side of "splinter USA further from her NATO allies".
This decision on Iran will only increase Russia's influence in the Middle East, with a side of splintering USA further from her NATO (and other) allies.
Putin as Trump bought and paid for and knows how to play him like a fiddle, directly and indirectly. I do NOT think that Trump is colluding with Russia - he's far too thick and stubborn to actually do that, he's just being played.
His genius plan on defeating ISIS seems to have been "let Russia do what they want, and win allies in the region" - with a side of "splinter USA further from her NATO allies".
This decision on Iran will only increase Russia's influence in the Middle East, with a side of splintering USA further from her NATO (and other) allies.
Putin as Trump bought and paid for and knows how to play him like a fiddle, directly and indirectly. I do NOT think that Trump is colluding with Russia - he's far too thick and stubborn to actually do that, he's just being played.
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Coco
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Re: Trump
But Bibi is so handsome... and he speaks firmly... I find him oddly attractive. I would. Twice.
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
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Coco
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Re: Trump
Eh... Id work around that.. I wouldnt want tender kisses anyway...morepork wrote:He'd have to take Trump's cock out of his mouth first.
It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.
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WaspInWales
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Re: Trump
Seems Trump and his administration are getting real results from NK.
3 hostages released ahead of coming talks between the US and NK.
I wonder why Kim is playing ball in such a co-operative manner? Are the sanctions biting that much? Has Trump got a Kim pee-pee tape?
I still think SK have played the main role in this, regardless that Trump thinks that he has been the lead negotiator. That said, I think bigly things could come from this and Trump has been involved.
For all the western media description of Kim being a complete nutter, he seemed pretty laid back and down to earth at the recent talks. Compare and contrast with the stable genius.
3 hostages released ahead of coming talks between the US and NK.
I wonder why Kim is playing ball in such a co-operative manner? Are the sanctions biting that much? Has Trump got a Kim pee-pee tape?
I still think SK have played the main role in this, regardless that Trump thinks that he has been the lead negotiator. That said, I think bigly things could come from this and Trump has been involved.
For all the western media description of Kim being a complete nutter, he seemed pretty laid back and down to earth at the recent talks. Compare and contrast with the stable genius.
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zer0
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Re: Trump
I recall reading a few pieces round about when NK first made its announcement outlining that NK's nuclear main test site is seeping, or otherwise has some sort of problem making it unusable. To top it off it's problems were threatening China who may have, in turn, put the foot down.
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Digby
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Re: Trump
It's par for the course. Give them a big public meet and they'll release some prisoners, nothing special to it whatsoever (other than for the those being released)WaspInWales wrote:Seems Trump and his administration are getting real results from NK.
3 hostages released ahead of coming talks between the US and NK.
I wonder why Kim is playing ball in such a co-operative manner? Are the sanctions biting that much? Has Trump got a Kim pee-pee tape?
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Digby
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Re: Trump
The same shell company that Trump's lawyer created to payoff a porn star not to make public claims about an affair with Trump has more recently received hundreds of thousands of dollars from AT&T. Obviously AT&T haven't tried to make a payment to unduly influence Trump, though in unconnected news one does recall AT&T are seeking a merger with Time Warner that might get into some competition difficulties.
This backdoor weird financing mechanisms are no doubt what's required to drain the swamp
AT&T aren't the only company to have made such payments, in total the payments made into a shell company run by the Presidents lawyer run into the millions of dollars
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/ ... ler-576806 (included as a link following a quick search based on Cohen & AT&T)
This backdoor weird financing mechanisms are no doubt what's required to drain the swamp
AT&T aren't the only company to have made such payments, in total the payments made into a shell company run by the Presidents lawyer run into the millions of dollars
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/ ... ler-576806 (included as a link following a quick search based on Cohen & AT&T)
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Which Tyler
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Re: Trump
This, along with their testing site falling down.Digby wrote:It's par for the course. Give them a big public meet and they'll release some prisoners, nothing special to it whatsoever (other than for the those being released)
Though I do give Trump some "credit" for being insane enough to be believable that he might actually launch nukes at NK - I guess gun-boat diplomacy still counts as diplomacy?
The on;y thing Trump seems to have done differently to previous administrations is to threaten to turn the peninsula into a glowing heap of rubble; and to gleefully accept an invitation to visit as if he's the first person ever to be invited (as opposed to the 6th president in a row to receive an invite)
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morepork
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Re: Trump
Welcome to the stone age. Well done President Fucknuts.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6389/586.full
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6389/586.full
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Sandydragon
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Re: Trump
A few things spring to mind.WaspInWales wrote:Seems Trump and his administration are getting real results from NK.
3 hostages released ahead of coming talks between the US and NK.
I wonder why Kim is playing ball in such a co-operative manner? Are the sanctions biting that much? Has Trump got a Kim pee-pee tape?
I still think SK have played the main role in this, regardless that Trump thinks that he has been the lead negotiator. That said, I think bigly things could come from this and Trump has been involved.
For all the western media description of Kim being a complete nutter, he seemed pretty laid back and down to earth at the recent talks. Compare and contrast with the stable genius.
It could be that NKs nuclear deterrent is now sufficiently robust that Kim now feels more secure and is prepared to offer a few tokens to get sanctions lifted.
Or it could be that the NK nuclear programme has totalled due to a collapsing mountain and they have decided to play nice instead.
Or, with many of the powerful clique dead by a variety of exotic means, Kim now feels secure and is making his own decisions more confidently.
Or, this is another round of some minor concessions, sanctions lifted and the normal service resuming.
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Mellsblue
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Re: Trump
My Week: Donald Trump*
May 12 2018, 12:01am, The Times
Monday
“Pompeo!” I sing, through a mouthful of burger. “Mike Pompey-ey-ey oh. Daylight come and they wanna go home!”
“Sir?” says my secretary of state, rushing into the Oval Office.
“It’s terrible,” I tell him. “It makes me sick to even think about it. So I’m cancelling this terrible deal with Korea.”
“But why?” says Pompeo, going pale.
“You told me to,” I say. “Of course I was planning to anyway. Oh, wait. Not Korea. The other one. Iran.”
“Jesus,” says Pompeo.
“Same part of the world,” I say.
“Ish,” says Pompeo.
“We’ll show those bastards,” I continue. “We’ll show those bastards that they can’t force America to play nice just by developing nukes.”
“Good,” says Pompeo. “No, hang on. Which bastards?”
“You’ll have to remind me,” I say.
“I think the Iranians,” he says. “We’re sort of showing the Norks the opposite.”
“And people say,” I sigh, “that I can’t handle complex diplomacy.”
Tuesday
A man called Boris Johnson comes through from the switchboard and says we need to talk about Iran.
“Literally no idea who you are,” I say, truthfully.
Then I hang up. Prank caller? Then it rings again and it’s my buddy Macron. French guy, Scottish name. Crazy. Anyway, he says he misses me.
“I miss you, too,” I say. “How’s your hot mom?”
“Mon ami,” says Macron. “Of all thees deals, you are pulling out. Paris. Now Iran. C’est une gross humiliation for me. When I have paid you the ultimate French compliment of not even particularly flirting with your wife.”
So I tell him the Iran deal is horrible, horrible, and he asks what’s wrong with it. So I say it was struck by Obama, and he says but apart from that, and I try to remember.
“The clauses,” I say. “Terrible, terrible clauses. After 2030? They can outreach unobtainium as much as they like!”
Macron says he’s not sure that sounds quite right.
“Sometimes,” I say, coldly, “your English isn’t actually that good.”
Wednesday
I’ve pulled out. So now I’m asking my press secretary, Sarah Huckleby Finnders, to tell me the reviews, because I always get the best reviews. Although she’s saying the liberal media are whining.
“And Variety?” I ask.
Oddly, she says, Variety doesn’t seem to have covered it.
“But Europe is cross,” she says. “And Obama. And Russia.”
“Even Russia?” I say, suddenly uncertain.
“Not a problem,” says Huckleby. “At this juncture, getting dumped on by Russians is a strong look for you.”
“Never happened,” I say, firmly. “Remember? I’m a germaphobe.”
Thursday
I’m Skyping my new friend Kim Thing Thung. Hot! He’s no Macron, but the way he looks at me still makes me feel pretty special. Although, after we’ve complimented each other’s physiques and hairstyles, he says he’s worried the next president might cancel any deal.
“But why?” I say.
“Seriously?” he says.
That’s when my national security adviser Michael Bolton comes running in and says the Supreme Leader has announced I’m making a mistake with Iran.
“No I haven’t,” says Kim.
“Sir,” says Bolton, “there is another Supreme Leader.”
“How dare he?” shouts Kim.
“Ignore these bozos,” I tell him, waving Bolton away. “Next they’ll be telling us there’s another Korea.”
Friday
Back at my desk, which is the biggest desk, by the way, I’m debriefing with Pompeo and Kellyanne.
“How come I’m not a supreme leader,” I ask them, “anyway?”
Kellyanne says they’re working on it. Then I ask if I’ve picked up any more support over Iran, and Pompeo says only the Israelis. So I say that’s probably because my daughter is Israeli, although Kellyanne says she’s not sure she is.
“I could have sworn,” I say, thinking of that time we had ribs. “Maybe she’s just a vegetarian.”
Then Pompeo says we have more support on the Norks, and I ask whether they mean hers or Melania’s, because personally I’m a big fan of both.
“No sir,” says Pompeo. “North Korea. We’re definitely showing that there’s a path back to normalcy for a rogue state the rest of the world disagrees with about everything.”
“Which when you think about it,” says Kellyanne, “is just as well.”
*according to Hugo Rifkind
May 12 2018, 12:01am, The Times
Monday
“Pompeo!” I sing, through a mouthful of burger. “Mike Pompey-ey-ey oh. Daylight come and they wanna go home!”
“Sir?” says my secretary of state, rushing into the Oval Office.
“It’s terrible,” I tell him. “It makes me sick to even think about it. So I’m cancelling this terrible deal with Korea.”
“But why?” says Pompeo, going pale.
“You told me to,” I say. “Of course I was planning to anyway. Oh, wait. Not Korea. The other one. Iran.”
“Jesus,” says Pompeo.
“Same part of the world,” I say.
“Ish,” says Pompeo.
“We’ll show those bastards,” I continue. “We’ll show those bastards that they can’t force America to play nice just by developing nukes.”
“Good,” says Pompeo. “No, hang on. Which bastards?”
“You’ll have to remind me,” I say.
“I think the Iranians,” he says. “We’re sort of showing the Norks the opposite.”
“And people say,” I sigh, “that I can’t handle complex diplomacy.”
Tuesday
A man called Boris Johnson comes through from the switchboard and says we need to talk about Iran.
“Literally no idea who you are,” I say, truthfully.
Then I hang up. Prank caller? Then it rings again and it’s my buddy Macron. French guy, Scottish name. Crazy. Anyway, he says he misses me.
“I miss you, too,” I say. “How’s your hot mom?”
“Mon ami,” says Macron. “Of all thees deals, you are pulling out. Paris. Now Iran. C’est une gross humiliation for me. When I have paid you the ultimate French compliment of not even particularly flirting with your wife.”
So I tell him the Iran deal is horrible, horrible, and he asks what’s wrong with it. So I say it was struck by Obama, and he says but apart from that, and I try to remember.
“The clauses,” I say. “Terrible, terrible clauses. After 2030? They can outreach unobtainium as much as they like!”
Macron says he’s not sure that sounds quite right.
“Sometimes,” I say, coldly, “your English isn’t actually that good.”
Wednesday
I’ve pulled out. So now I’m asking my press secretary, Sarah Huckleby Finnders, to tell me the reviews, because I always get the best reviews. Although she’s saying the liberal media are whining.
“And Variety?” I ask.
Oddly, she says, Variety doesn’t seem to have covered it.
“But Europe is cross,” she says. “And Obama. And Russia.”
“Even Russia?” I say, suddenly uncertain.
“Not a problem,” says Huckleby. “At this juncture, getting dumped on by Russians is a strong look for you.”
“Never happened,” I say, firmly. “Remember? I’m a germaphobe.”
Thursday
I’m Skyping my new friend Kim Thing Thung. Hot! He’s no Macron, but the way he looks at me still makes me feel pretty special. Although, after we’ve complimented each other’s physiques and hairstyles, he says he’s worried the next president might cancel any deal.
“But why?” I say.
“Seriously?” he says.
That’s when my national security adviser Michael Bolton comes running in and says the Supreme Leader has announced I’m making a mistake with Iran.
“No I haven’t,” says Kim.
“Sir,” says Bolton, “there is another Supreme Leader.”
“How dare he?” shouts Kim.
“Ignore these bozos,” I tell him, waving Bolton away. “Next they’ll be telling us there’s another Korea.”
Friday
Back at my desk, which is the biggest desk, by the way, I’m debriefing with Pompeo and Kellyanne.
“How come I’m not a supreme leader,” I ask them, “anyway?”
Kellyanne says they’re working on it. Then I ask if I’ve picked up any more support over Iran, and Pompeo says only the Israelis. So I say that’s probably because my daughter is Israeli, although Kellyanne says she’s not sure she is.
“I could have sworn,” I say, thinking of that time we had ribs. “Maybe she’s just a vegetarian.”
Then Pompeo says we have more support on the Norks, and I ask whether they mean hers or Melania’s, because personally I’m a big fan of both.
“No sir,” says Pompeo. “North Korea. We’re definitely showing that there’s a path back to normalcy for a rogue state the rest of the world disagrees with about everything.”
“Which when you think about it,” says Kellyanne, “is just as well.”
*according to Hugo Rifkind
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WaspInWales
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Re: Trump
Blood on his hands, and all the while congratulating himself and thinking he's the man.
Fucking shameful.
Fucking shameful.
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WaspInWales
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Re: Trump
Tbh, what do these US/SK drills achieve that the previous one failed to achieve?
How many times can they fire a weapon or explode something and learn something new?
It's clearly provocation designed to let NK know that their neighbour has a powerful ally.
Surely in the current, or recent climate of improved diplomacy, someone would've had the common sense to cancel any more war games?!?
How many times can they fire a weapon or explode something and learn something new?
It's clearly provocation designed to let NK know that their neighbour has a powerful ally.
Surely in the current, or recent climate of improved diplomacy, someone would've had the common sense to cancel any more war games?!?