Jesus fuck. That kind of propaganda doesn't suggest that Russia is even slightly considering looking at a negotiated peace. Even if we assume that Putin himself doesn't believe that (which is not a given), that is not rhetoric which allows any room for a graceful climbdown/declaring that you've won and have achieved what you wanted all along. That's doubling down on the only option being the complete annexation of the country.
It's also the kind of propaganda that could justify nuking the country in a "better dead than Nazi" fit of pique.
Puja
Loving the use of the concept of denazification as an excuse for NAZI policies.
Not going to be much forgiveness when the fighting's done.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2022 10:33 pm
by Puja
Son of Mathonwy wrote:
Puja wrote:
Which Tyler wrote:Well fuck.
Jesus fuck. That kind of propaganda doesn't suggest that Russia is even slightly considering looking at a negotiated peace. Even if we assume that Putin himself doesn't believe that (which is not a given), that is not rhetoric which allows any room for a graceful climbdown/declaring that you've won and have achieved what you wanted all along. That's doubling down on the only option being the complete annexation of the country.
It's also the kind of propaganda that could justify nuking the country in a "better dead than Nazi" fit of pique.
Puja
Loving the use of the concept of denazification as an excuse for NAZI policies.
Not going to be much forgiveness when the fighting's done.
Also explains the prevalence of the atrocities left behind by Russian troops - extensive othering of even the general populace as monsters. Anyone who fought wasn't really a person that one could empathise with, they were a Nazi with no more humanity than an orc or an Uruk-hai.
Puja
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:51 am
by Zhivago
Which Tyler wrote:Well fuck.
"Denazification will inevitably also be a de-Ukrainization"
"[listed as an initial necessary step...] liquidation of [... ] informational and educational infrastructure that ensures [pro-ukrainian] activity"
"The name 'Ukraine' apparently cannot be retained as the title of any fully denazified state entity"
"Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construction"
"Ukraine, as history has shown, is impossible as a nation state"
"not just the Bandera version of Nazi Ukraine will be eradicated, but including, and above all, Western totalitarianism [will be eradicated]" https://ccl.org.ua/en/news/ria-novosti- ... ukraine-2/
I must admit, "Mein Kampf Fanfic" is not a genre I'd ever considered before
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:11 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Thought I'd copy those disgusting quotes to the thread for ease of reference (in case they become hard to find on Twitter):
An op-ed for state news agency RIA Novosti titled "What Russia should do with Ukraine" by pundit Timofei Sergeitsev has created quite a stir today
The rhetoric is truly horrific, even by the standards of what I'm used to seeing from pro-Kremlin media
Below are a few quotes:
"Denazification is a set of measures aimed at the nazified mass of the population, which technically cannot be subjected to direct punishment as war criminals"
"However, besides the elite, a significant part of the masses of the people, who are passive nazis, are accomplices to Nazism. They have supported the Nazi authorities and indulged them..."
"...The just punishment for this part of the population is possible only as the bearing of the inevitable hardships of a just war against the Nazi system"
"The name Ukraine can seemingly not be retained as the title of any fully denazified state formation on the territory liberated from the Nazi regime"
"Denazification is inevitably also deukrainisation – a rejection of the large-scale artificial inflation of the ethnic element of self-identification of the population of the territories of the historical Malorossiya and Novorossiya begun by the Soviet authorities"
"Unlike, let’s say, Georgia or the Baltics, Ukraine, as history has shown, is unviable as a national state, and attempts to 'build' one logically lead to Nazism"
"The Banderite elite must be liquidated, its reeducation is impossible. The social 'swamp' which actively and passively supports it must undergo the hardships of war and digest the experience as a historical lesson and atonement" END
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:42 pm
by morepork
Please tell me the Kremlin do not have legitimate presence on FaceBook, twitter et.al....
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:33 pm
by kk67
Banquo wrote:Yay...Orban re-elected
Hmmmm.
Not good. Suspect Sir Victor Nix is running his evil bollocks again.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:40 pm
by kk67
cashead wrote:
Paddington's seen some shit.
Yeah. Bless him.
Winnie the Pooh refused a blindfold in Red Dwarf. We all have a limit.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 5:46 am
by kk67
morepork wrote:Please tell me the Kremlin do not have legitimate presence on FaceBook, twitter et.al....
good luck.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:31 am
by Galfon
Looks like sh*t or bust for VP in the east now;
will ego/fear of humiliation (and being removed..) override prospect of further massive losses in human and material terms, and tanking international standing.? seems past caring.
The number of persons directly affected (dead, disappeared, displaced) appears astronomical already.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2022 8:46 pm
by paddy no 11
The train station bombing, revenge for the Russian children written on the bomb, the power of propaganda
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:15 am
by Sandydragon
NATO now having to work out if they continue to keep martial support to defensive systems only or start providing more advanced weaponry. Ukrainians don’t have much artillery ammunition left which is a problem as the calibre of their shells isn’t a nato one and old stocks are depleting fast. NATO could supply 155mm weapons but that would need training.
Should have considered this weeks ago and got on with it.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:17 am
by Sandydragon
Galfon wrote:Looks like sh*t or bust for VP in the east now;
will ego/fear of humiliation (and being removed..) override prospect of further massive losses in human and material terms, and tanking international standing.? seems past caring.
The number of persons directly affected (dead, disappeared, displaced) appears astronomical already.
It totally is. He needs something he can signal as a victory. Expanding the size of the breakaway regions and claiming to have destroyed Ukrainian military capability might work with a lot of propaganda. Dictatorships don’t tend to survive failure for too long and he isn’t ignorant of that.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:24 pm
by Zhivago
Boris takes a relaxing stroll through Kyiv
все буде Україна
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:29 pm
by morepork
What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:35 pm
by Zhivago
morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?
As a Welshman I guess the message they're both trying to send to Putin with such a stunt would be encapsulated by the phrase 'ry'n ni yma o hyd er gweitha pawb a phopeth.'
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:05 pm
by Zhivago
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:19 pm
by Mellsblue
morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?
Don’t panic. The Czech, Polish and Slovenian PMs have already wasted resources, time and contested airspace to visit Kyiv, as have a couple of the EU big wigs.
You might not be able to hear the mood music in Philly but the UK’s response to this ‘special military operation’ is actually close to, if not the, best in class as far as the Ukrainians and Volodymyr ‘Balls of Steel’ Zelenskyy are concerned:
‘in a Facebook post, Andriy Sybiha, deputy head of the Ukrainian president’s office said: “The UK is the leader in defence support for Ukraine. The leader in the anti-war coalition. The leader in sanctions against the Russian aggressor.”’ https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/en ... 2bd5537e2/
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:56 am
by Puja
morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?
While I have a great amount of disdain for Boris and regard him visiting people as a punishment rather than a boon, Kiev isn't really contested airspace anymore and I'd imagine we've informed the Russians of both his flight path and the repurcussions should they attack his flight. It's not really a big risk like it would've been a fortnight ago.
Puja
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:58 am
by morepork
Mellsblue wrote:
morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?
Don’t panic. The Czech, Polish and Slovenian PMs have already wasted resources, time and contested airspace to visit Kyiv, as have a couple of the EU big wigs.
You might not be able to hear the mood music in Philly but the UK’s response to this ‘special military operation’ is actually close to, if not the, best in class as far as the Ukrainians and Volodymyr ‘Balls of Steel’ Zelenskyy are concerned:
‘in a Facebook post, Andriy Sybiha, deputy head of the Ukrainian president’s office said: “The UK is the leader in defence support for Ukraine. The leader in the anti-war coalition. The leader in sanctions against the Russian aggressor.”’ https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/en ... 2bd5537e2/
No offense intended. Perhaps I have not heard the mood music. I do see a dick in a blue suit chasing some love online.
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:41 am
by Mellsblue
Puja wrote:
morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?
While I have a great amount of disdain for Boris and regard him visiting people as a punishment rather than a boon, Kiev isn't really contested airspace anymore and I'd imagine we've informed the Russians of both his flight path and the repurcussions should they attack his flight. It's not really a big risk like it would've been a fortnight ago.
Puja
Plane to Poland and then car journey the rest of the way, allegedly. U.K. security bods wanted him out of the country before releasing details, pics etc but the Ukraine Embassy in the U.K. got a bit over excited.
Love the Ukraine govt’s Twitter post ‘because they bloody can’:
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 7:46 am
by Mellsblue
morepork wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:
morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?
Don’t panic. The Czech, Polish and Slovenian PMs have already wasted resources, time and contested airspace to visit Kyiv, as have a couple of the EU big wigs.
You might not be able to hear the mood music in Philly but the UK’s response to this ‘special military operation’ is actually close to, if not the, best in class as far as the Ukrainians and Volodymyr ‘Balls of Steel’ Zelenskyy are concerned:
‘in a Facebook post, Andriy Sybiha, deputy head of the Ukrainian president’s office said: “The UK is the leader in defence support for Ukraine. The leader in the anti-war coalition. The leader in sanctions against the Russian aggressor.”’ https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/en ... 2bd5537e2/
No offense intended. Perhaps I have not heard the mood music. I do see a dick in a blue suit chasing some love online.
No offence taken. You should treat any politicians actions with a healthy dose of scepticism and when it comes to the likes of Boris an unhealthy dose. I just feel that whilst the govt have rightly been given a shed load of bad press over refugees there should also be praise where it’s due. In this case we’ve led on intel, arms and sanctions.
Re: RE: Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:18 am
by Donny osmond
Mellsblue wrote:
morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?
Don’t panic. The Czech, Polish and Slovenian PMs have already wasted resources, time and contested airspace to visit Kyiv, as have a couple of the EU big wigs.
You might not be able to hear the mood music in Philly but the UK’s response to this ‘special military operation’ is actually close to, if not the, best in class as far as the Ukrainians and Volodymyr ‘Balls of Steel’ Zelenskyy are concerned:
‘in a Facebook post, Andriy Sybiha, deputy head of the Ukrainian president’s office said: “The UK is the leader in defence support for Ukraine. The leader in the anti-war coalition. The leader in sanctions against the Russian aggressor.”’ https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/en ... 2bd5537e2/
Sssshhhhh nothing must be written that doesn't show Boris or the UK in a negative light. This is the way.
In writing that, I have become a permanent and unforgivable apologist, but you must learn from my sacrifice.
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Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:20 am
by Mellsblue
This account is definitely my favourite follow on Twitter at the moment:
Re: If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...
Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:10 pm
by Sandydragon
morepork wrote:What the fuck is he doing??? Why would you waste resources, time, and contested fucking air space for that?
Because we have supplied a shit ton of weaponry to the Ukrainians. They aint stupid.
