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Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:11 pm
by Mikey Brown
Which Tyler wrote:FKAS wrote:It should be, he was knocked out. Absolutely no reason to risk him next weekend irrelevant of what game it is. He should probably stay in camp so the medics can keep an eye on him, he might be able to offer some mentoring to the other locks if he feels up to it.
A] you can be KOd without being concussed.
B] I don't think he was KOd, he kept muscle tone firing in his arms at all points.
C] He absolutely should be out of the rest of the tour, and not risked - Underhill too. Nothing really to be gained by either of them playing, potentially an awful lot to be lost.
I understand you've said he should be rested anyway, but if it were the RWC final next week (for instance) and he
had been KOd, would you feel it is a reasonable call to let him play? Is there a scenario a player is knocked out, not concussed, and completely safe to play such a short time after?
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:14 pm
by Scrumhead
Oakboy wrote:Beasties wrote:ad_tigger wrote:
He's probably shouting, screaming and jumping up and down with a wild-eyed look right now.
Exactly the image in my mind when I posted that
Would you be making similar comments about Ludlum if he was at home and Earl was in the squad? I don't think I would but are we just debating who is 7th and who is 8th (or whatever) in the back-row pecking order?
I think @beasties and @ad_tigger are referring to Earl’s penchant for highly irritating and massively OTT celebrations for turnovers and the like. He’s worse for that than Itoje, which is saying something.
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 3:18 pm
by Which Tyler
Mikey Brown wrote:
I understand you've said he should be rested anyway, but if it were the RWC final next week (for instance) and he had been KOd, would you feel it is a reasonable call to let him play? Is there a scenario a player is knocked out, not concussed, and completely safe to play such a short time after?
So long as the medical staff haven't been pressured, and he genuinely passed all the stages of the TRP protcols (including further HIAs) then yes. As I understand it, that's the current state of the evidence.
I would also severely question whether the medical staff hadn't been pressured, including indirect pressure or pressure from the player (think bloodgate physio - who was in an impossible situation).
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:30 pm
by Freddo
Puja wrote:Banquo wrote:was Tommy Reffell ever English
. He's been tip top in SA.
I think I'd rather have two locks on the bench than Jeffries. He's a good, honest trier, but he's not going to be any better than having Chessum step in at back row. Gods help us all if Ludlam gets injured first minute.
Puja
Nowell to flanker.
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:33 pm
by Beasties
Scrumhead wrote:Oakboy wrote:Beasties wrote:
Exactly the image in my mind when I posted that
Would you be making similar comments about Ludlum if he was at home and Earl was in the squad? I don't think I would but are we just debating who is 7th and who is 8th (or whatever) in the back-row pecking order?
I think @beasties and @ad_tigger are referring to Earl’s penchant for highly irritating and massively OTT celebrations for turnovers and the like. He’s worse for that than Itoje, which is saying something.
That, which is enough, but also the fact that he was apparently Premiership player of the season. And now he’s behind someone called Jeff Reece, who no one’s apparently heard of…
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:00 pm
by Mellsblue
That Jeff Reece is going to be some player, until p/d blames him.
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 8:40 pm
by Puja
Mellsblue wrote:That Jeff Reece is going to be some player, until p/d blames him.
Came from Bedford, did he?
Puja
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:06 pm
by Mellsblue
Puja wrote:Mellsblue wrote:That Jeff Reece is going to be some player, until p/d blames him.
Came from Bedford, did he?
Puja
Come on, you know better than that. His name would obvs be in caps followed by !!! if he were.
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:24 pm
by FKAS
Freddo wrote:Puja wrote:Banquo wrote:was Tommy Reffell ever English
. He's been tip top in SA.
I think I'd rather have two locks on the bench than Jeffries. He's a good, honest trier, but he's not going to be any better than having Chessum step in at back row. Gods help us all if Ludlam gets injured first minute.
Puja
Nowell to flanker.
I can't remember, was that originally an Eddie or an Austin idea?
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:19 pm
by Danno
FKAS wrote:Freddo wrote:Puja wrote:
I think I'd rather have two locks on the bench than Jeffries. He's a good, honest trier, but he's not going to be any better than having Chessum step in at back row. Gods help us all if Ludlam gets injured first minute.
Puja
Nowell to flanker.
I can't remember, was that originally an Eddie or an Austin idea?
Is there a difference?
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:41 pm
by Mellsblue
Danno wrote:FKAS wrote:Freddo wrote:
Nowell to flanker.
I can't remember, was that originally an Eddie or an Austin idea?
Is there a difference?
Accent… that’s about it.
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:08 pm
by Mikey Brown
Any thoughts on Guy Porter as “the galvanising ballast” in midfield?
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:12 pm
by Mellsblue
Mikey Brown wrote:Any thoughts on Guy Porter as “the galvanising ballast” in midfield?
Link?
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:48 pm
by Mikey Brown
Oh I thought I’d opened the latest Charlie Morgan article from here, but now I can’t see it. To be honest it was mostly the same conversation about the playmaking axis we’ve been having on here. That line about Porter was the only thing that really jumped out at me.
Nothing against him at all, he looks a good all rounder and has some grit, but that one solid carry off a dominant scrum and some involvements at the breakdown didn’t seem like enough to suggest he is gluing this midfield together all of a sudden.
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:20 pm
by Danno
Yeah, I'd rather see Dan Kelly in the role but it's irrelevant. Farrell/Slade/Tuilagi is the mixed hope and that is what we shall see
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:21 pm
by Danno
Danno wrote:Yeah, I'd rather see Dan Kelly in the role but it's irrelevant. Farrell/Slade/Tuilagi is the mixed hope and that is what we shall see. With maybe Porter on the bench
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:22 pm
by Danno
There's a reason quotes happen so often and it's because this forum is fucking stupid, not the other way round
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:23 pm
by Danno
Danno wrote:There's a reason quotes happen so often and it's because this forum's setup is fucking stupid, not the other way round
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:23 pm
by Danno
SEE
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:20 am
by FKAS
Danno wrote:Yeah, I'd rather see Dan Kelly in the role but it's irrelevant. Farrell/Slade/Tuilagi is the mixed hope and that is what we shall see
Keep your fingers crossed for the AIs. It was a really unlucky time for Kelly to pick up that injury, he was in absolutely top form and with both Slade and Manu out Eddie has had to look at other options for this squad. If Kelly was fit he'd have surely been in it.
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:28 am
by Puja
FKAS wrote:Danno wrote:Yeah, I'd rather see Dan Kelly in the role but it's irrelevant. Farrell/Slade/Tuilagi is the mixed hope and that is what we shall see
Keep your fingers crossed for the AIs. It was a really unlucky time for Kelly to pick up that injury, he was in absolutely top form and with both Slade and Manu out Eddie has had to look at other options for this squad. If Kelly was fit he'd have surely been in it.
I worry that Kelly is becoming a new board Peter Short - someone that posters glom onto because they don't like the incumbent and so are willing to commit hard to a possible alternative, whether they're actually good enough or not.
I say this being a big fan of Kelly and his potential, but I don't want to see him set up as the new saviour of the English 12 shirt.
Puja
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 8:52 am
by Raggs
Dan Kelly is old news. Olly Hartley is the new 12 saviour.
It just might take 5 seasons to get there...
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:32 am
by p/d
Puja wrote:
I worry that Kelly is becoming a new board Peter Short
Puja
…. Did we? Surely that was only beefy!!!
That’s like saying we all thought Peter Wright would see the Lions home
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:33 am
by Mikey Brown
Puja wrote:FKAS wrote:Danno wrote:Yeah, I'd rather see Dan Kelly in the role but it's irrelevant. Farrell/Slade/Tuilagi is the mixed hope and that is what we shall see
Keep your fingers crossed for the AIs. It was a really unlucky time for Kelly to pick up that injury, he was in absolutely top form and with both Slade and Manu out Eddie has had to look at other options for this squad. If Kelly was fit he'd have surely been in it.
I worry that Kelly is becoming a new board Peter Short - someone that posters glom onto because they don't like the incumbent and so are willing to commit hard to a possible alternative, whether they're actually good enough or not.
I say this being a big fan of Kelly and his potential, but I don't want to see him set up as the new saviour of the English 12 shirt.
Puja
Hey you started all this hype iirc, so it’s on you if he goes the way of Devoto/Eastmond. He looks a real rounded player with great defence and a good skill set, should drop in comfortably at international level and I’ll be furious if he offers anything less, both short and long term. Too much to ask?
Re: Australia Tour Squad
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:13 am
by Puja
p/d wrote:Puja wrote:
I worry that Kelly is becoming a new board Peter Short
Puja
…. Did we? Surely that was only beefy!!!
That’s like saying we all thought Peter Wright would see the Lions home
There were a few people where he made their "if I was picking England" XV, simply because everyone was desperate for Not!Borthwick at lock. Sad times; we'd've been thrilled to have a Charlie Ewels back then.
Puja