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Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 12:19 pm
by Big D
Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:53 am
Big D wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:13 am
I am not sure I understand the rumoured moves within the team that England are allegedly planning to make.
Pope, Tongue and Anderson out for Woakes, Wood and Ali with Brook moved to 3.
Firstly, Brook is the least experienced batsman England have, hasn't batted at 3 very often and doesn't really have the technique for it based on what we've seen over the series.
Tongue was pretty decent and Woakes hasn't played a 4 day game since early May.
They are clearly worried about the batting yet will not call up Foakes who has averaged a respectable 39 in the "Bazball" era and will save runs by his keeping being better than JB.
Not happy about that. Undercooked player, and previously undercooked player who hasn't played since and Wood....who is probably undercooked. Brook to 3 isn't great either.
Bairstow to 3 and Foakes keeping is a much better idea, though would leave us a bowler light/depending on Stokes.
Bit of a mess, all in all. Not sure we will see Jimmy again, though they'll be tempted by a last hurrah at OT. Quite interesting how bad his stats are v Australia in England, an anamoly.
Wood has to play I think. If England use him correctly being undercooked shouldn't be a huge issue. Wood should be bowling 3-5 over spells over 3 -4 spells of bowling. He is a potential point of difference whereas Woakes just isn't compared to Tongue and Anderson.
I was talking to my mate about Jimmy and Broad. Which career would you rather have? Both obviously terrific careers. Anderson had a huge amount of wickets and great spells but it feels like Broad has had the "moments" sports people live for. Several defining spells in Ashes (8/15 being the pick), that spell in SA in 16 or 17 where he rolled through them, a couple of spells where he ripped through NZ (home and away) and India too IIRC. Plus the 169 at Lords.
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 12:59 pm
by Puja
Confirmed lineup now. Stokes on record saying that he's worried about his ability to bowl longer spells and wanted to have a bowling attack capable of functioning if he was only able to bat.
Puja
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 1:02 pm
by Big D
Puja wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 12:59 pm
Confirmed lineup now. Stokes on record saying that he's worried about his ability to bowl longer spells and wanted to have a bowling attack capable of functioning if he was only able to bat.
Puja
That's going to be an issue to the long term balance of the side.
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:41 pm
by Banquo
Big D wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 12:19 pm
Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 11:53 am
Big D wrote: ↑Wed Jul 05, 2023 10:13 am
I am not sure I understand the rumoured moves within the team that England are allegedly planning to make.
Pope, Tongue and Anderson out for Woakes, Wood and Ali with Brook moved to 3.
Firstly, Brook is the least experienced batsman England have, hasn't batted at 3 very often and doesn't really have the technique for it based on what we've seen over the series.
Tongue was pretty decent and Woakes hasn't played a 4 day game since early May.
They are clearly worried about the batting yet will not call up Foakes who has averaged a respectable 39 in the "Bazball" era and will save runs by his keeping being better than JB.
Not happy about that. Undercooked player, and previously undercooked player who hasn't played since and Wood....who is probably undercooked. Brook to 3 isn't great either.
Bairstow to 3 and Foakes keeping is a much better idea, though would leave us a bowler light/depending on Stokes.
Bit of a mess, all in all. Not sure we will see Jimmy again, though they'll be tempted by a last hurrah at OT. Quite interesting how bad his stats are v Australia in England, an anamoly.
Wood has to play I think. If England use him correctly being undercooked shouldn't be a huge issue. Wood should be bowling 3-5 over spells over 3 -4 spells of bowling. He is a potential point of difference whereas Woakes just isn't compared to Tongue and Anderson.
I was talking to my mate about Jimmy and Broad. Which career would you rather have? Both obviously terrific careers. Anderson had a huge amount of wickets and great spells but it feels like Broad has had the "moments" sports people live for. Several defining spells in Ashes (8/15 being the pick), that spell in SA in 16 or 17 where he rolled through them, a couple of spells where he ripped through NZ (home and away) and India too IIRC. Plus the 169 at Lords.
Having three undercooked is mad.
Jimmy just more reliable...you'd have either career in a heartbeat. Anderson slightly worse strike rate, though tended to bowl more overs as his economy rate is better.
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 11:42 am
by Banquo
Wood doesn’t look undercooked to be fair! Hope he can stay fit..
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:20 pm
by Banquo
Not sure why wood didn’t get another over tbh.
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:30 pm
by Banquo
Bout 6 inches short and yjb spills smith
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:32 pm
by Banquo
Brilliant wicket. Had yjb hung on…
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:44 pm
by Banquo
Get
Wood
On
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:51 pm
by Banquo
From
The
Right
End
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:53 pm
by Banquo
It’s fair to say that Bairstow has been a key factor in a bad way in all three games to date. Ridiculous
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:56 pm
by Big D
Banquo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:53 pm
It’s fair to say that Bairstow has been a key factor in a bad way in all three games to date. Ridiculous
It is terrible and avoidable.
Foakes would be forgiven for pissing himself laughing.
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:57 pm
by Banquo
He will be relieved but should still be 80-5
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:58 pm
by Big D
Big wicket on stroke of lunch.
Strange review. All the England players went up so they heard something.
That drop of Head is massive. Could have had them 5 down with all their gun batsmen gone.
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:01 pm
by Banquo
Big D wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:58 pm
Big wicket on stroke of lunch.
Strange review. All the England players went up so they heard something.
That drop of Head is massive. Could have had them 5 down with all their gun batsmen gone.
Yep shocker
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 1:53 pm
by Banquo
ffs now root
not good enough. 98-6 should be....easy catches and soft runs early
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:24 pm
by Banquo
This session has prob cost the ashes, specifically Root's drop of Marsh (and some pants bowling and Robinson hobbling off); Marsh has scored nearly a ton in one session!
We really have dropped the ashes in this series, and extra'd them. Its really careless tbh; Bazball not to blame, Cazball more like.
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:41 pm
by Banquo
Marsh gone, but ffs, his fc average was only 33.....he scored 3 x that in one session!!
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:11 pm
by Banquo
Root drops Carey then catches Head next ball
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:20 pm
by Banquo
Banquo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:24 pm
This session has prob cost the ashes
Or…
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:21 pm
by Banquo
Could have had em all out for 150 tho
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:24 pm
by Banquo
What a series this is tho.
Not sure our openers will fancy it at the moment either. Woods swinging it at 93 mph. What a shame poor lad hasn’t been fit for long periods
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:36 pm
by Banquo
Certainly rattled Carey’s cage. Quite an English style collapse here.
Wood has been great all day. Bit worrying that Woakes seems to be struggling
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 4:47 pm
by Banquo
Fair play, the best players today all undercooked!
Wood, Woakes, Marsh fantastic
Re: Cricket fred
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 5:14 pm
by Puja
Positive start to the innings, although I am worried about this batting lineup. There's only 5 wickets before you get into the bowlers and, with this top 6 and their aggressive style, 5 wickets isn't hard to get... and literally as I type Duckett goes playing an attacking shot.
FFS
Puja