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Stones of granite wrote:Sherelle Jacobs gives the game away in the Telegraph.

Which Tyler wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:Sherelle Jacobs gives the game away in the Telegraph.

Gives the game away? we all knew that before he even approached making at attempt at getting a deal.
The entire purpose is to give himself enough wriggle room when it comes to the blame game once everything's gone to shit after Brexit, but that it can't possibly be the fault of Brexit or its advocates.

It's the Remainers fault for not believing hard enough.
It's the MP's fault for standing up for what they believe in, and not doing what Theresa told them to.
It's the EU's fault for not doing our work for us, and finding those pesky unicorns; and then having the temerity to point out that our unicorns don't actually exist.

Stones of granite wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:Sherelle Jacobs gives the game away in the Telegraph.

Gives the game away? we all knew that before he even approached making at attempt at getting a deal.
The entire purpose is to give himself enough wriggle room when it comes to the blame game once everything's gone to shit after Brexit, but that it can't possibly be the fault of Brexit or its advocates.

It's the Remainers fault for not believing hard enough.
It's the MP's fault for standing up for what they believe in, and not doing what Theresa told them to.
It's the EU's fault for not doing our work for us, and finding those pesky unicorns; and then having the temerity to point out that our unicorns don't actually exist.

I know that we all knew that, the interesting thing is that a Torygraph journalist is now writing it. I suspect they are flying that kite to make sure that the true believers, some of who might not be bright enough to realise what is going on, don't start falling for Farage's claims of a sell-out.

Brexit: Boris Johnson moves to scrap environment safeguards to get deal with Trump
Trade secretary says scrapping protections ‘vital for giving us the freedom and flexibility’ to sign deals

Boris Johnson is scrapping a commitment by Theresa May to stick to EU rules on the environment, safety standards and workers’ rights – to raise his chances of getting a trade agreement with Donald Trump.

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Which Tyler wrote:Wow, I'm really surprised by this, really couldn't have seen this coming 3 years ago.[/deadpan]
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 43221.html

Brexit: Boris Johnson moves to scrap environment safeguards to get deal with Trump
Trade secretary says scrapping protections ‘vital for giving us the freedom and flexibility’ to sign deals

Boris Johnson is scrapping a commitment by Theresa May to stick to EU rules on the environment, safety standards and workers’ rights – to raise his chances of getting a trade agreement with Donald Trump.

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Sandydragon wrote:So now we want to do our own thing in terms of standards but still have a close deal with the EU.

Cakism.

Puja wrote: And, of course, have no border with either Ireland or Northern Ireland, except in the circumstances where we want one.

Digby wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:Wow, I'm really surprised by this, really couldn't have seen this coming 3 years ago.[/deadpan]
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 43221.html

Brexit: Boris Johnson moves to scrap environment safeguards to get deal with Trump
Trade secretary says scrapping protections ‘vital for giving us the freedom and flexibility’ to sign deals

Boris Johnson is scrapping a commitment by Theresa May to stick to EU rules on the environment, safety standards and workers’ rights – to raise his chances of getting a trade agreement with Donald Trump.

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I'd like to know the details, but (a) it's no surprise (b) they've been lying to us on this subject too and (c) it'll diverge us still further from the EU making a deal with greater access more problematic

Maths is not remotely on the side ion Boris in all this

Why the UK cannot see that Brexit is utterly, utterly stupid

The British press helped condone austerity. It’s now blinding us to the stupidity of Brexit.

If you talk to almost anyone overseas, except those at the right-wing extreme (like Trump) or part of a tiny minority of the left, their reaction to Brexit is similar that of the former prime minister of Finland. What the UK is doing is utterly, utterly stupid. An act of self harm with no point, no upside. Sometimes outside opinion is based on incomplete or biased information and should be discounted, but on Brexit it is spot on. So why are so many people in the UK unable to see what outsiders can see quite clearly?

The days when Leavers talked about the sunlit uplands are over. Liam Fox has not even managed to replicate the scores of trade deals the UK will lose when we leave the EU. As for independence, Leavers cannot name any laws imposed on the UK by the EU that they do not like. Since the referendum, even public attitudes to immigration have become much more favourable.

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Digby wrote:Sources have told the Times that the Speaker of the House John Bercow is being considered as a possible leader of a government of national unity. Which is clearly a nonsense idea, you simply cannot start to build unity around such a divisive figure, and it's a horrible step for what would be a very recent former speaker of the house into the bargain.

Which Tyler wrote:

Digby wrote:Sources have told the Times that the Speaker of the House John Bercow is being considered as a possible leader of a government of national unity. Which is clearly a nonsense idea, you simply cannot start to build unity around such a divisive figure, and it's a horrible step for what would be a very recent former speaker of the house into the bargain.

Yup.
The point is (allegedly) to built a cabinet of people who aren't going tonstand for election again, so they're no threat to JC. There are so many better candidates to build that around though (Ken Clarke)

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:

Digby wrote:Sources have told the Times that the Speaker of the House John Bercow is being considered as a possible leader of a government of national unity. Which is clearly a nonsense idea, you simply cannot start to build unity around such a divisive figure, and it's a horrible step for what would be a very recent former speaker of the house into the bargain.

Yup.
The point is (allegedly) to built a cabinet of people who aren't going tonstand for election again, so they're no threat to JC. There are so many better candidates to build that around though (Ken Clarke)

I think Bercow would be an ok choice.

He's a former Tory, but now effectively independent. The Bercow party isn't likely to threaten Labour (or anyone else).

He's divisive, yes, but that's across the house. What the GNU needs is a figure who isn't divisive amongst members of the GNU.
And (presumably) Bercow has the respect (to say the least) of most of them.

Stom wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Which Tyler wrote: Yup.
The point is (allegedly) to built a cabinet of people who aren't going tonstand for election again, so they're no threat to JC. There are so many better candidates to build that around though (Ken Clarke)

I think Bercow would be an ok choice.

He's a former Tory, but now effectively independent. The Bercow party isn't likely to threaten Labour (or anyone else).

He's divisive, yes, but that's across the house. What the GNU needs is a figure who isn't divisive amongst members of the GNU.
And (presumably) Bercow has the respect (to say the least) of most of them.

He doesn't, though, because he's pretty much an avowed remainer. We'd need a "moderate" lunatic.

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Stom wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote: I think Bercow would be an ok choice.

He's a former Tory, but now effectively independent. The Bercow party isn't likely to threaten Labour (or anyone else).

He's divisive, yes, but that's across the house. What the GNU needs is a figure who isn't divisive amongst members of the GNU.
And (presumably) Bercow has the respect (to say the least) of most of them.

He doesn't, though, because he's pretty much an avowed remainer. We'd need a "moderate" lunatic.

He doesn't have the respect of the opposition? Are you sure? I'm not saying he's anyone's favourite, just someone most people would find acceptable.

Most of the GNU would be remainers. How can that rule him out? He doesn't need to bring parliament back together again (nothing can do that in the short term), he just needs to hold the GNU together (for how long? A week would do it).

Which Tyler wrote:Quite a bit to get through overnight, most notably (I think) these two:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-plan
Revealed: the EU's point-by-point rejection of Johnson's Brexit plan


https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/h ... otiations/
How Number 10 view the state of the negotiations


I'm unlikely to have a chance to actually pick through these until much later today


Elsewhere, the Pasty Cockwomble calls Extension Rebellion "uncooperative crusties". Being uncooperative is the whole point of the thing, whereas the reason it's got so big is that it's NOT just crusties.

However, great to see Pasty Cockwomble sticking to his principles of escalating everything he possibly can escalate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49967784

fivepointer wrote: But at least they cannot say they were not warned"