Re: Snap General Election called
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:31 pm
Sunak told met police he only ate some nibbles at the party, then left.
He's claiming nom-nom status.
He's claiming nom-nom status.
Sorry it wasn't obvious - but... that was a joke about his wife's nom-dom status (though they both claim that there weren't any parties, there were parties but they didn't attend, and that they only attended the parties briefly, whilst unaware that a party was happening) - so I guess there's a greater degree of plausbility to the joke than I first thought.morepork wrote:Fuck. It's just pathetic. I only ate some nibbles. Shirley you could come up with a more compelling reason than that to be present. Even "we all thought someone had left the gas on" would be more credible, but no, poorly timed salted nuts it is.
Break the law. Lie about it in Parliament.Sandydragon wrote:Just seen this. Anyone with a normal conscience would resign at this point.Which Tyler wrote:Confirmed law breaking really should trigger an automatic bye-election in that constituency, with the guilty MP barred from standing.
That damned unwritten constitution strikes again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61083402
PujaWhich Tyler wrote:Sunak told met police he only ate some nibbles at the party, then left.
He's claiming nom-nom status.
Agreed. "Could this be the end for Johnson?" No, not unless he's had a complete personality transplant and acquired a sense of shame or responsibility.Mikey Brown wrote:It seems weird to me reading all the opinions that this might finally be it for him and he’ll have to resign. I don’t know why anybody thinks he would even give a shit about it at this point.
Agreed, but it might then lead to interesting follow up questions regarding the personality and senses of shame or responsibility of the parliamentary Tory party and everyone who voted for them.Puja wrote:Agreed. "Could this be the end for Johnson?" No, not unless he's had a complete personality transplant and acquired a sense of shame or responsibility.Mikey Brown wrote:It seems weird to me reading all the opinions that this might finally be it for him and he’ll have to resign. I don’t know why anybody thinks he would even give a shit about it at this point.
Puja
I'm not sure if many of them have senses of shame or responsibility either.Donny osmond wrote:Agreed, but it might then lead to interesting follow up questions regarding the personality and senses of shame or responsibility of the parliamentary Tory party and everyone who voted for them.Puja wrote:Agreed. "Could this be the end for Johnson?" No, not unless he's had a complete personality transplant and acquired a sense of shame or responsibility.Mikey Brown wrote:It seems weird to me reading all the opinions that this might finally be it for him and he’ll have to resign. I don’t know why anybody thinks he would even give a shit about it at this point.
Puja
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This is what I was getting at. Remember when Trump's press guy stood in front of 2 pictures, 1 of trump's inauguration and 1 of Obama's inauguration and swore blind there was more people at Trump's? I saw a psychologist explain why they did that, it's a trick that traps people into continuing to follow their guy even when they know he's lying. Once you see it happen once you see it all the time in politics. Sturgeon does it brilliantly, hence she's still going strong despite the trail of lies and incompetence. Ditto Trump. And now ditto Johnson.Mikey Brown wrote:Yeah I don’t see how anybody who’s ever consider supported Boris at any point is now going to care about stuff like that.
Sadly he’s been shown the way by The Donald that you don’t even need to pretend anymore, just deflect and distract. It’s all just noise.
Messrs Johnson and Sunak have now both been found guilty of breaking the law – laws which they made. They have admitted guilt by not appealing, which confirms that they have both lied to parliament.
In any functional democracy, the latter would immediately bar them from parliament, at least until they have corrected the record. The former would automatically bar them from parliament in perpetuity or at least trigger an automatic by-election in their constituencies.
As our constitution is unwritten, and the individuals concerned have no capacity to feel shame, or to do the honourable thing, then every conservative MP must write letters to the 1922 committee calling for their resignation.
EVERY conservative MP who chooses not to do this, is choosing to side with criminals and liars, is actively supporting lawlessness, and worse, lawlessness in the House of Commons.
I implore you to write, demanding their resignations, expressing no-confidence in this Prime Minister (and his cabinet); and to support or even propose a motion whereby any law breaking by any MP triggers an by-election in their constituency, preferably with said MP barred from standing.
In the words of Lady Thatcher “The first duty of Government is to uphold the law. If it tries to bob and weave and duck around that duty when it is inconvenient, if government does that, then so will the governed, and then nobody is safe.”
It’s also potentially disgusted many Tory voters who aren’t on the right of the party. I know a few people who normally vote conservative for whom this is the last straw.Son of Mathonwy wrote:Ahh, the red meat has arrived.
Obviously it's entirely coincidental that the Rwanda policy should be launched a couple of days after Johnson's lawbreaking and lying were revealed. Cruel and astoundingly expensive it may be, but who cares if it gives the Tory press something else for the front page and the appetite of the far right is momentarily appeased.
It's for days like these that the foreign aid budget was slashed. Gone are the days where we would offer aid to countries to help lift them out of poverty; now they have to *work* for it.Son of Mathonwy wrote:Ahh, the red meat has arrived.
Obviously it's entirely coincidental that the Rwanda policy should be launched a couple of days after Johnson's lawbreaking and lying were revealed. Cruel and astoundingly expensive it may be, but who cares if it gives the Tory press something else for the front page and the appetite of the far right is momentarily appeased.
With the last straw thing, do you mean just the Rwanda plan or the whole week's events?Sandydragon wrote:It’s also potentially disgusted many Tory voters who aren’t on the right of the party. I know a few people who normally vote conservative for whom this is the last straw.Son of Mathonwy wrote:Ahh, the red meat has arrived.
Obviously it's entirely coincidental that the Rwanda policy should be launched a couple of days after Johnson's lawbreaking and lying were revealed. Cruel and astoundingly expensive it may be, but who cares if it gives the Tory press something else for the front page and the appetite of the far right is momentarily appeased.
It’s just obscene. When this hit the press months ago it felt like a bad wind up. Now it’s actually going to happen (subject to legal challenge) it just feels unreal. And the more so that Patel was trying to claim the moral high ground earlier by suggesting that she was acting to save the lives of migrants.
They'd slash it to 0% of GDP if they could. They genuinely don't get the concept of charity.Puja wrote:It's for days like these that the foreign aid budget was slashed. Gone are the days where we would offer aid to countries to help lift them out of poverty; now they have to *work* for it.Son of Mathonwy wrote:Ahh, the red meat has arrived.
Obviously it's entirely coincidental that the Rwanda policy should be launched a couple of days after Johnson's lawbreaking and lying were revealed. Cruel and astoundingly expensive it may be, but who cares if it gives the Tory press something else for the front page and the appetite of the far right is momentarily appeased.
Puja
I think its been an accumulation for those on the left of the party. Even the right of the party should not be happy at the Prime Minister breaking the law, but they may be appeased by this Rwanda nonsense.Son of Mathonwy wrote:With the last straw thing, do you mean just the Rwanda plan or the whole week's events?Sandydragon wrote:It’s also potentially disgusted many Tory voters who aren’t on the right of the party. I know a few people who normally vote conservative for whom this is the last straw.Son of Mathonwy wrote:Ahh, the red meat has arrived.
Obviously it's entirely coincidental that the Rwanda policy should be launched a couple of days after Johnson's lawbreaking and lying were revealed. Cruel and astoundingly expensive it may be, but who cares if it gives the Tory press something else for the front page and the appetite of the far right is momentarily appeased.
It’s just obscene. When this hit the press months ago it felt like a bad wind up. Now it’s actually going to happen (subject to legal challenge) it just feels unreal. And the more so that Patel was trying to claim the moral high ground earlier by suggesting that she was acting to save the lives of migrants.
Where do you stand yourself? Have they crossed the line for you this week?
They crossed the line for me a couple of decades back, when it became clear that Ken Clarke was too left wing to ever lead them.
Where do you stand? Is it too much for you?Sandydragon wrote:I think its been an accumulation for those on the left of the party. Even the right of the party should not be happy at the Prime Minister breaking the law, but they may be appeased by this Rwanda nonsense.Son of Mathonwy wrote:With the last straw thing, do you mean just the Rwanda plan or the whole week's events?Sandydragon wrote: It’s also potentially disgusted many Tory voters who aren’t on the right of the party. I know a few people who normally vote conservative for whom this is the last straw.
It’s just obscene. When this hit the press months ago it felt like a bad wind up. Now it’s actually going to happen (subject to legal challenge) it just feels unreal. And the more so that Patel was trying to claim the moral high ground earlier by suggesting that she was acting to save the lives of migrants.
Where do you stand yourself? Have they crossed the line for you this week?
They crossed the line for me a couple of decades back, when it became clear that Ken Clarke was too left wing to ever lead them.
Well, going by the old testament they'd probably all be put to the sword.Puja wrote:FB_IMG_1650201611219.jpg
I'm not a Christian myself, but I believe the whole point of the "Jesus thing" was that the old testament rules no longer applied and you were supposed to love other people and be decent to those in need.Son of Mathonwy wrote:Well, going by the old testament they'd probably all be put to the sword.Puja wrote:FB_IMG_1650201611219.jpg