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kk67 wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: We're trying to start a war with Russia to make gas prices cheaper? How would that work?

Like I said, we're in bed with Qataar but it comes by ship. If it comes by pipeline it gets a lot cheaper. Iran also has massive reserves and they both want to build a pipeline through Syria. Hence the pipeline war.
We could take a lot more gas from Gazprom like several other European countries.

I'm afraid that's no clearer. What's the purpose of the war that we are provoking with Russia? How does it get us cheaper gas?

Stones of granite wrote:

kk67 wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: We're trying to start a war with Russia to make gas prices cheaper? How would that work?

Like I said, we're in bed with Qataar but it comes by ship. If it comes by pipeline it gets a lot cheaper. Iran also has massive reserves and they both want to build a pipeline through Syria. Hence the pipeline war.
We could take a lot more gas from Gazprom like several other European countries.

I'm afraid that's no clearer. What's the purpose of the war that we are provoking with Russia? How does it get us cheaper gas?

It doesn't, we lost.

Stones of granite wrote:

Digby wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:These theories are brilliant guys, keep them coming. I haven't had a belly laugh like this in ages.

My pet theory is that Eddie Jones had the attack carried out in order to divert attention from his inability to pick a backrow than can compete in the 6 Nations.

I've been of the view that either Israel did it, or we did it to have an excuse to close down RT to prevent the truth reaching the people, but yours is better. Is Eddie perhaps Jewish? That could complete the circle.

Not only is he jewish, but he's japanese, australian jewish, and you know what they're like.

They had Eddie in mind when casting the evil genius in The Princess Bride

kk67 wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

kk67 wrote: Like I said, we're in bed with Qataar but it comes by ship. If it comes by pipeline it gets a lot cheaper. Iran also has massive reserves and they both want to build a pipeline through Syria. Hence the pipeline war.
We could take a lot more gas from Gazprom like several other European countries.

I'm afraid that's no clearer. What's the purpose of the war that we are provoking with Russia? How does it get us cheaper gas?

It doesn't, we lost.

Oh, this is the "Syrian pipeline war" theory.
So, we started a war in Syria 7 years ago in order to avoid running out of gas this Winter.
Right.
What does it have to do with a Russian chemical weapons attack in Salisbury?

Digby wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

Digby wrote:
I've been of the view that either Israel did it, or we did it to have an excuse to close down RT to prevent the truth reaching the people, but yours is better. Is Eddie perhaps Jewish? That could complete the circle.

Not only is he jewish, but he's japanese, australian jewish, and you know what they're like.

They had Eddie in mind when casting the evil genius in The Princess Bride

With his Japanese mafia connections he can get chemical weapons deployed anywhere, it's obvious.

That should be Iraq not Iran.

Stones of granite wrote:

kk67 wrote:

Stones of granite wrote: I'm afraid that's no clearer. What's the purpose of the war that we are provoking with Russia? How does it get us cheaper gas?

It doesn't, we lost.

Oh, this is the "Syrian pipeline war" theory.
So, we started a war in Syria 7 years ago in order to avoid running out of gas this Winter.
Right.
What does it have to do with a Russian chemical weapons attack in Salisbury?

I think you might have underestimated the importance of the natural gas market. This is potentially bigger than oil and the market is still up for grabs it is not yet a cartel.
The title of the thread is anti-Russian rhetoric.......there's plenty of that going on.
This is all about commerce, most wars and standoff's are about money. The English didn't give a toss about Napoleon swanning around Europe and Africa until he closed the Portuguese ports.

kk67 wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:

kk67 wrote:
It doesn't, we lost.

Oh, this is the "Syrian pipeline war" theory.
So, we started a war in Syria 7 years ago in order to avoid running out of gas this Winter.
Right.
What does it have to do with a Russian chemical weapons attack in Salisbury?

I think you might have underestimated the importance of the natural gas market. This is potentially bigger than oil and the market is still up for grabs it is not yet a cartel.
The title of the thread is anti-Russian rhetoric.......there's plenty of that going on.
This is all about commerce, most wars and standoff's are about money. The English didn't give a toss about Napoleon swanning around Europe and Africa until he closed the Portuguese ports.

I work in oil and gas, I don't underestimate the importance of it. I also know that the last thing that is needed to ensure a cheap (relatively) and stable supply of either oil or gas is a war.
I have seen the source of the story of that the war in Syria was started because they wouldn't allow a pipeline through from Qatar, and it frankly isn't credible. There is already an oil pipeline that runs from Bahrain through Iraq and Turkey, and onwards into Europe. If a gas pipeline was required, then the obvious place to put it is on the same right-of-way. All the major problems are already solved.

The shortage of gas in the UK this winter is principally down to a lack of planning by the government (and Centrica). A major gas storage facility was closed last year because it wasn't considered worth spending any money fixing some of the safety issues it had, and it hasn't been replaced by anything else. With kind of short-sightedness and lack of strategic thinking, it's kind of hard to believe that they have a long term Machiavellian plan to secure cheap gas supplies through the instigation of wars, with all the unknowns and unexpected consequences that they bring. It's a nice sexy conspiracy theory, though, and I'm sure it brightens up a dull, cold winter's day and makes the world seem a little more interesting.

There is nothing I love more (well, there is, but we live in the age of hyperbole) NOTHING I love more than seeing a peabrained narcissistic fwcwit being publicly humiliated by simple, straight science. Fans of Craig Murray prepare, he's taken a pasting...



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I can assure you I get no frisson from conspiracy theories when they are accurate.
The idea was always regime change and the profits it brings. Less than 6 months after the gulf war Halliburton were making obscene profits and returning virtually nothing to the local population.
Iraq have the reserves as well.....they are in direct competition.

kk67 wrote:I can assure you I get no frisson from conspiracy theories when they are accurate.
The idea was always regime change and the profits it brings. Less than 6 months after the gulf war Halliburton were making obscene profits and returning virtually nothing to the local population.
Iraq have the reserves as well.....they are in direct competition.

Iraq has a lot of oil, but only middling gas reserves. That is one of the reasons why putting a pipeline through Syria makes little sense. The infrastructure is already largely in place in Iraq, and it is more or less friendly territory.
If you want a conspiracy theory, then the countries with most to gain out of the Syrian conflict ar Iran and Russia.
Iran because it gives them the opportunity to outflank the Iraqis, and Russia because they now have an extensive military presence on the Mediterranean coast and friendly ports for their Navy on the Med side of the Bosphorus.

Yeah,...I'm always confusing Iran and Iraq.
It's the price that's the issue. If Qataar can flood the market with cheap gas they can undercut Gazprom who have massive reserves.
You'll know better than me but I'm fairly sure the gasline from Qataar would have to go through Syria. The existing oil infrastructure is secondary. I have a feeling they actually agreed to cooperate at one stage,.....then the West got involved and it all went tits-up.

rowan wrote:As a neutral, I'll take RT over the Guardian any day. You need to stop reading that warmongering propaganda

Just letting you know now, as a courtesy, which is more than you deserve by the way, that this will be thrown in your face the next time you try to pull an appeal to authority about Seymour Hersch and John Pilger's various awards in the past. After all, you've just explicitly stated you believe the word of the Russian government's propaganda vehicle over a Pulitzer-prize winning newspaper.

So to summarise the alternative viewpoint.

Don’t believe the British government because they lied in 2003.
Do believe Putin because he is an honest and upstanding citizen.
Poisoning people in rural British towns is fine .
The Russians were allowed to do it because the target was a cock.
The Russians were allowed to do it because sovereign governments in Eastern Europe went closer relations with NATO.

I think that covers most of the arguments from RT, Counter Punch, the Labour Party’s official spokesmen and whatever the fuck KK gets his information from.

Thankfully not everyone is that gullible.

Do you want chips with your lasagne?

Seymour Hersh made mistakes,......but if we prosecuted all journos for their mistakes then Piers Moron and Beccy Brooks would definitely be in prison. And yet they aren't. Funny that.

Sandydragon wrote:So to summarise the alternative viewpoint.

Don’t believe the British government because they lied in 2003.
Do believe Putin because he is an honest and upstanding citizen.
Poisoning people in rural British towns is fine .
The Russians were allowed to do it because the target was a cock.
The Russians were allowed to do it because sovereign governments in Eastern Europe went closer relations with NATO.

I think that covers most of the arguments from RT, Counter Punch, the Labour Party’s official spokesmen and whatever the fuck KK gets his information from.

Thankfully not everyone is that gullible.

Yes, you are. Objectivity from someone sworn to follow orders.

Sandydragon wrote:So to summarise the alternative viewpoint.

Don’t believe the British government because they lied in 2003.
Do believe Putin because he is an honest and upstanding citizen.
Poisoning people in rural British towns is fine .
The Russians were allowed to do it because the target was a cock.
The Russians were allowed to do it because sovereign governments in Eastern Europe went closer relations with NATO.

I think that covers most of the arguments from RT, Counter Punch, the Labour Party’s official spokesmen and whatever the fuck KK gets his information from.

Thankfully not everyone is that gullible.

I think you've described the crazy person, not kk. Also, don't forget "painting all British people with the same brush because of their colonial past, forever and ever."

I love that expression 'colonial past'...... like it ever went away. It's like those silly bitches that claim to be 'post feminist'.

kk67 wrote:Seymour Hersh made mistakes,......but if we prosecuted all journos for their mistakes then Piers Moron and Beccy Brooks would definitely be in prison. And yet they aren't. Funny that.

Not really the point though, is it?

cashead wrote:

kk67 wrote:Seymour Hersh made mistakes,......but if we prosecuted all journos for their mistakes then Piers Moron and Beccy Brooks would definitely be in prison. And yet they aren't. Funny that.

Not really the point though, is it?

The 'award winning journalist Piers Moron'.........oh it's the point. The Establishment need corporate stooges.
We should stick Jason Issacs on the fleshy, pink knut.

cashead wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:So to summarise the alternative viewpoint.

Don’t believe the British government because they lied in 2003.
Do believe Putin because he is an honest and upstanding citizen.
Poisoning people in rural British towns is fine .
The Russians were allowed to do it because the target was a cock.
The Russians were allowed to do it because sovereign governments in Eastern Europe went closer relations with NATO.

I think that covers most of the arguments from RT, Counter Punch, the Labour Party’s official spokesmen and whatever the fuck KK gets his information from.

Thankfully not everyone is that gullible.

I think you've described the crazy person, not kk. Also, don't forget "painting all British people with the same brush because of their colonial past, forever and ever."

Of course, how could I forget that!

If in doubt, blame America/Israel/the West in general/ lizard men/ new world order.

kk67 wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:So to summarise the alternative viewpoint.

Don’t believe the British government because they lied in 2003.
Do believe Putin because he is an honest and upstanding citizen.
Poisoning people in rural British towns is fine .
The Russians were allowed to do it because the target was a cock.
The Russians were allowed to do it because sovereign governments in Eastern Europe went closer relations with NATO.

I think that covers most of the arguments from RT, Counter Punch, the Labour Party’s official spokesmen and whatever the fuck KK gets his information from.

Thankfully not everyone is that gullible.

Yes, you are. Objectivity from someone sworn to follow orders.

Nice lazy stereotype from someone without any experience of that environment. Keep ranting along fella, one day you might write something that makes sense.

lol. I think we see each others point.

Ciao.