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Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 9:39 pm
by paddy no 11
Son of Mathonwy wrote: ↑Fri May 16, 2025 6:19 pm
Something slightly strange is happening in the media. About a week ago we suddenly had these:
The Independent saying 'End the defending silence on Gaza - it is time to speak up'.
The FT writing of 'The West's shameful silence on Gaza'.
The Times asking 'Why we are closing our eyes to Gaza's horror?'
The Economist: 'The war in Gaza must end'.
And the BBC does seem to be (almost) condemning Israel these days and hinting at the possibility of *genocide* a little more clearly.
What is happening? Has a secret signal gone out? Has the British media discovered a conscience (after 19 months)? Do they now finally see the truth? Are they realizing that the horror of Gaza cannot be hidden and when fully revealed will brand Israel's supporters as supporters of genocide for all time?
It has been said that
one day everyone will always have been against it . . . maybe that time is approaching.
It'll be a while before a friend of Israel like Keir Starmer will change course but perhaps at long last there will be a bit more pressure from the media (not all of it obviously, not the Sun or Telegraph).
Related - some analysis of the biases coverage of Gaza in the press:
https://www.newarab.com/analysis/number ... r-coverage
https://novaramedia.com/2024/08/01/we-r ... ered-gaza/
I think starving kids and bombing hospitals is the line that can't be crossed and maybe a critical mass has been reached?
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 9:41 pm
by paddy no 11
I see that MP took to the floor in the commons and called it out today, fair play to him
Mike ryan from WHO another one who has been very frank about the situation
The whole Kneecap debacle hasn't harmed either
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 10:48 am
by paddy no 11
Oh and killing 15 medics in cold blood, do you really want to be onside with those guys, yes if your a fundamentalist, no for everyone else
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 5:01 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Just got back from the London march. Big, big crowd. Most of them there to see Corbyn
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Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 6:58 pm
by paddy no 11
I went to the one in cork today, still between 1-2k for 18 months now
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 8:12 am
by paddy no 11
The Israel rigs the eurovision song contest documentary can't be far away now
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 10:28 am
by Son of Mathonwy
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Sun May 18, 2025 8:12 am
The Israel rigs the eurovision song contest documentary can't be far away now
The rigging is that they're in the competition at all. And/or there's no Palestinian entry to focus the anti-Israel vote. Admittedly that would make it more of a political vote than a pop vote, but IMO that's the only reason why Israel does well anyway.
If Russia is banned, so should Israel be (especially because it's further from Europe than Lebanon, and Palestine isn't in the competition). But there's no government pressure to ban Israel as there was for official enemy Russia.
As an aside, I don't get Eurovision. Either it's a European competition or it's not. Why is Australia in it? And not pop-crazy Korea? Are they planning to expand it further to other former European colonies in the Americas and Africa? If not, why have any non-European countries at all? Dare I say is there some racist reason why certain non-European countries are included?
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Tue May 20, 2025 9:01 pm
by paddy no 11
Lindley suggesting the don has enough of Netanyahu and that Netanyahu is in a bit of bother
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 12:55 am
by Son of Mathonwy
Hilarious 'journalism' from the Independent. Why did Keir Starmer wait so long to take 'action' on Israel?
Yes, we are all wondering this. Why did it take 19 months for the situation to become 'intolerable' for the PM and for the shattering blow of suspending trade talks to be unleashed on an unsuspecting Israel?
A total lack of decency and empathy? A deep seated belief that an Israeli life is worth 50 Palestinian lives? Slavishly following whatever narrative is occupying the print media in the UK? Complete amnesia of his former life as a human rights lawyer? Zero concern for anyone but Keir Starmer?
Nah. Jeremy Corbyn's to blame.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/w ... r-AA1F9jmg
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 9:54 am
by paddy no 11
So kneecap or specifically one member have been charged with terrorism.......should be a great trial
Hopefully they bring up stuff like this to show the absolute hypocrisy of the charge
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 10:01 am
by Which Tyler
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy9vr10n732t
I hope to the gods that I'm being way too cynical here, but it seems awfully convenient that this has happened a day or two after EU, UK and even the US started to apply some mild pressure on Israel.
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 11:03 am
by Puja
Which Tyler wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 10:01 am
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy9vr10n732t
I hope to the gods that I'm being way too cynical here, but it seems awfully convenient that this has happened a day or two after EU, UK and even the US started to apply some mild pressure on Israel.
I had been assuming that it was the Jeremy Corbyn problem - the complete and unquestioning orthoxy of backing Israel in the West has led to the situation that any statement of support or sympathy for Palestine is taken by anti-Semitic nutters as "Finally, someone's on our side!" (probably not helped by the Israeli government/shills loudly and continually reacting to all support for Palestine/any criticism of Israel by conflating it with hatred of Jews). So even mild criticism of an actively ongoing ethnic cleansing has resulted in the bigots feeling validated and emboldened.
Puja
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 11:28 am
by paddy no 11
On the above see the quotes from moshe feiglin yesterday, where actually calls for the killing of every child in gaza
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 11:37 am
by Puja
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 11:28 am
On the above see the quotes from moshe feiglin yesterday, where actually calls for the killing of every child in gaza
Meanwhile, on the BBC, let's make sure we get quotes from someone who says ethnic cleansing isn't occurring. For balance.
Puja
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 12:24 pm
by paddy no 11
Puja wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 11:37 am
paddy no 11 wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 11:28 am
On the above see the quotes from moshe feiglin yesterday, where actually calls for the killing of every child in gaza
Meanwhile, on the BBC, let's make sure we get quotes from someone who says ethnic cleansing isn't occurring. For balance.
Puja
The BBC as a news organisation is a non entity since allistair Campbell got greg dyke fired
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 5:04 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Puja wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 11:03 am
Which Tyler wrote: ↑Thu May 22, 2025 10:01 am
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy9vr10n732t
I hope to the gods that I'm being way too cynical here, but it seems awfully convenient that this has happened a day or two after EU, UK and even the US started to apply some mild pressure on Israel.
I had been assuming that it was the Jeremy Corbyn problem - the complete and unquestioning orthoxy of backing Israel in the West has led to the situation that any statement of support or sympathy for Palestine is taken by anti-Semitic nutters as "Finally, someone's on our side!" (probably not helped by the Israeli government/shills loudly and continually reacting to all support for Palestine/any criticism of Israel by conflating it with hatred of Jews). So even mild criticism of an actively ongoing ethnic cleansing has resulted in the bigots feeling validated and emboldened.
Puja
This brutal shooting is not dissimilar from the IDF assassinations of nonmilitary Hamas staff, except that the killer didn't blow up a hospital, the targets' children or any bystanders in the process.
Interesting how, despite the killer saying 'free Palestine' and the targets being workers for the Israeli state (rather than random Jewish Americans) everyone is calling this antisemitic, rather than what it obviously was, anti-Israel.
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 9:11 am
by Which Tyler
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 5:14 am
by Which Tyler
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 6:00 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Hooray, the UK didn't help Israel fight Iran* (this time). Shame that's not true of Gaza.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... ck-on-iran
* although Badenoch would have. What a star.
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 12:48 pm
by Danno
God she's absolutely fucking rancid
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:50 pm
by Which Tyler
I find myself torn on this action by Israel
On the one hand, fuck the mulahs, and fuck Iran as it is.
On the other hand - I'm not sure I can ever be a fan of one country unilaterally attacking another unprovoked (yes, I know the nuclear thing is huge, and a clear and present danger for Israel if it ever actually happens - and I can't say I'm up to date enough to know if that's "weeks away" IRL or "weeks away" in the same way it has been for the last decade or so). Was it just that the opportunity was there? Russia and Syria are busy, Iran's defence was degraded last year in the tit for tat, whilst Hamas and Houthis are thoroughly neutralised.
And on the third hand - how often has regime change actually had the desired results beyond "not that"
Beyond that, I gather that the timing is awfully convenient for Bibi, the day before a vote that would potentially lead to an election and see him lose power
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 2:55 pm
by Puja
Which Tyler wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 1:50 pm
I find myself torn on this action by Israel
On the one hand, fuck the mulahs, and fuck Iran as it is.
On the other hand - I'm not sure I can ever be a fan of one country unilaterally attacking another unprovoked (yes, I know the nuclear thing is huge, and a clear and present danger for Israel if it ever actually happens - and I can't say I'm up to date enough to know if that's "weeks away" IRL or "weeks away" in the same way it has been for the last decade or so). Was it just that the opportunity was there? Russia and Syria are busy, Iran's defence was degraded last year in the tit for tat, whilst Hamas and Houthis are thoroughly neutralised.
And on the third hand - how often has regime change actually had the desired results beyond "not that"
Beyond that, I gather that the timing is awfully convenient for Bibi, the day before a vote that would potentially lead to an election and see him lose power
If Netanyahu's always at war, then it's always treason to speak against him. He's just running from one "crisis" to another, creating them as he needs to.
Regardless of the malevolence of the Iranian regime, it's wicked to be taking military action against a neighbour for your own domestic politics, especially when you know you can do it without any risk given the US will defend you from any retaliation.
Quite apart from anything else, it's exacerbating the problems in the region for the next generation. "Iran hates us and wants to destroy us," could at some point dissipate, but this is keeping it very current.
Puja
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:05 pm
by Puja
Just been reading up how there's no evidence that Iran were even remotely trying for a bomb and that no-one in the international intelligence community was remotely concerned about any risk.
They'll probably try for one now, mind.
Puja
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:11 pm
by Which Tyler
If that's true, then if Iran does decide that having a nuke is the only way to stop this shit from happening again... I won't be able to blame them.
It's still an horrific idea, and would see their neighbours immediately trying as well - which is at least as scary - but I couldn't blame them.
And again, it all comes back to Obama making a joke at the... Met Gala Ball wasn't it?
Re: gaza conflict
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 11:08 pm
by Danno
Which Tyler wrote: ↑Sat Jun 14, 2025 8:11 pm
And again, it all comes back to Obama making a joke at the... Met Gala Ball wasn't it?
Yeah, pretty much. I wish that kid actually got bullets into him last year.