Europe - in or out - RR Votes

[Stom]

BTW, one big repercussion over here (and elsewhere across the world).

ATMS refusing British cards and money exchanges refusing to change sterling. I'm lucky, I only have a small amount of pounds and can wait to change it as long as I want. But I know people who live off a British card, and they're fecked. The only machines accepting their cards are the independent ones that cost like 3 quid to use.

[Banquo]

BTW, one big repercussion over here (and elsewhere across the world).

ATMS refusing British cards and money exchanges refusing to change sterling. I'm lucky, I only have a small amount of pounds and can wait to change it as long as I want. But I know people who live off a British card, and they're fecked. The only machines accepting their cards are the independent ones that cost like 3 quid to use.

cripes! is that a temporary thing?

[Digby]

They really need to get a move on. The cost which will derive from the uncertainty will dwarf the BS figure of £350 million/week. I know it's impacting my business, but there's just no way we're the only people looking at delayed/cancelled revenues/investment. And as before we've had this uncertainty looming a long time now, and really just what the hell are they expecting us to do, we're just continually on hold in far too many ways.

We'd have been better off pulling the plug on staying in the UK some time back at this juncture, and again we can't be the only business this is impacting. And moving is an option given the number of staff we already use out of other countries, mainly Poland and India which wouldn't be me first, second or third choices but still.

It's all very well saying people they understand our need for a resolution, but unless they want to start writing me six figure cheques each month they can do one.

its exactly what Remain warned of, is it not? Not that that helps.

I don't know anyone who doesn't think uncertainty a problem, but yes they did, though I think remain may have also warned Lord Lucan would come back to kidnap the children, they certainly covered many bases with their warnings.

[Banquo]

They really need to get a move on. The cost which will derive from the uncertainty will dwarf the BS figure of £350 million/week. I know it's impacting my business, but there's just no way we're the only people looking at delayed/cancelled revenues/investment. And as before we've had this uncertainty looming a long time now, and really just what the hell are they expecting us to do, we're just continually on hold in far too many ways.

We'd have been better off pulling the plug on staying in the UK some time back at this juncture, and again we can't be the only business this is impacting. And moving is an option given the number of staff we already use out of other countries, mainly Poland and India which wouldn't be me first, second or third choices but still.

It's all very well saying people they understand our need for a resolution, but unless they want to start writing me six figure cheques each month they can do one.

its exactly what Remain warned of, is it not? Not that that helps.

I don't know anyone who doesn't think uncertainty a problem, but yes they did, though I think remain may have also warned Lord Lucan would come back to kidnap the children, they certainly covered many bases with their warnings.

true, overplayed it, plus a load of folks didn't give a crap about or didn't care about the impact on 'business' (I assume you don't know everyone in the country )

[Which Tyler]

"Project Fear" is alive and well - with the abuse of immigrants.
I posted the first part of this elsewhere on Friday, but not here as it would have been a significant side-track from the discussion at the time; but now... I kinda want the story told.
Alison moved over from France 19 years ago respecting the country for being progressive, multicultural, integrated etc.

She's been told twice last week that she's "one of the nice immigrants, it's the others we want rid of" and once (Friday) that "the country has spoken and we don't want you here". This morning Ali was at work alone, and someone came in specifically to shout "Fukk off out of our country" before running away. Reducing her to tears.
We've also heard directly from patients (specifically 2 Italians and a German) who've had similar situations within Tewkesbury.
I have written to our MP asking him to publicly condemn such behaviour as some people really do seem to think it socially acceptable now.

I also don't know what to do personally. Obviously, I have come into work just to be present on the front desk - and I am wearing my France rugby top.
If it happens again I know full well that I would want to chase the tw@ down the street; but that can only aggaravate things. I've also considered getting a CCTV system to cover reception - which is considered a public space and I believe I'd need a licence to do so; and that it would be illegal to shame people by putting anything it caught up on facebook regardless.

[Digby]

its exactly what Remain warned of, is it not? Not that that helps.

I don't know anyone who doesn't think uncertainty a problem, but yes they did, though I think remain may have also warned Lord Lucan would come back to kidnap the children, they certainly covered many bases with their warnings.

true, overplayed it, plus a load of folks didn't give a crap about or didn't care about the impact on 'business' (I assume you don't know everyone in the country )

The outstandingly stupid part is very little is likely to change, other than a bunch of lawyers will get to take a bunch of EU laws and write near identical versions to be brought in as UK laws, and I assume we're going to have to do bulk lots else parliament can't possibly have the time to do it (even before a fight over a new PM and then a General Election) with some sort of review clause. But without knowing what might change, or when, we're very likely to be screwed for no sodding reason whatsoever.

[Banquo]

"Project Fear" is alive and well - with the abuse of immigrants.
I posted the first part of this elsewhere on Friday, but not here as it would have been a significant side-track from the discussion at the time; but now... I kinda want the story told.
Alison moved over from France 19 years ago respecting the country for being progressive, multicultural, integrated etc.

She's been told twice last week that she's "one of the nice immigrants, it's the others we want rid of" and once (Friday) that "the country has spoken and we don't want you here". This morning Ali was at work alone, and someone came in specifically to shout "Fukk off out of our country" before running away. Reducing her to tears.
We've also heard directly from patients (specifically 2 Italians and a German) who've had similar situations within Tewkesbury.
I have written to our MP asking him to publicly condemn such behaviour as some people really do seem to think it socially acceptable now.

I also don't know what to do personally. Obviously, I have come into work just to be present on the front desk - and I am wearing my France rugby top.
If it happens again I know full well that I would want to chase the tw@ down the street; but that can only aggaravate things. I've also considered getting a CCTV system to cover reception - which is considered a public space and I believe I'd need a licence to do so; and that it would be illegal to shame people by putting anything it caught up on facebook regardless.

That's shocking- you have my utmost sympathy. I don't know what to say- nation of bell-ends.

[Stom]

BTW, one big repercussion over here (and elsewhere across the world).

ATMS refusing British cards and money exchanges refusing to change sterling. I'm lucky, I only have a small amount of pounds and can wait to change it as long as I want. But I know people who live off a British card, and they're fecked. The only machines accepting their cards are the independent ones that cost like 3 quid to use.

cripes! is that a temporary thing?

Technically, although the reason is that the currency is fluctuating too much for them. In which case it could go on for a while...

Which is insane.

But the pound disintegrating is very good for me personally...

[Sandydragon]

"Project Fear" is alive and well - with the abuse of immigrants.
I posted the first part of this elsewhere on Friday, but not here as it would have been a significant side-track from the discussion at the time; but now... I kinda want the story told.
Alison moved over from France 19 years ago respecting the country for being progressive, multicultural, integrated etc.

She's been told twice last week that she's "one of the nice immigrants, it's the others we want rid of" and once (Friday) that "the country has spoken and we don't want you here". This morning Ali was at work alone, and someone came in specifically to shout "Fukk off out of our country" before running away. Reducing her to tears.
We've also heard directly from patients (specifically 2 Italians and a German) who've had similar situations within Tewkesbury.
I have written to our MP asking him to publicly condemn such behaviour as some people really do seem to think it socially acceptable now.

I also don't know what to do personally. Obviously, I have come into work just to be present on the front desk - and I am wearing my France rugby top.
If it happens again I know full well that I would want to chase the tw@ down the street; but that can only aggaravate things. I've also considered getting a CCTV system to cover reception - which is considered a public space and I believe I'd need a licence to do so; and that it would be illegal to shame people by putting anything it caught up on facebook regardless.

If its your reception area then you are perfectly entitled to install CCTV. You will need to have prominent posters warning those who enter that CCTV is in operation and have a policy for the storage of imagery captured, its protection and when and to whom it can be released.

[Banquo]

BTW, one big repercussion over here (and elsewhere across the world).

ATMS refusing British cards and money exchanges refusing to change sterling. I'm lucky, I only have a small amount of pounds and can wait to change it as long as I want. But I know people who live off a British card, and they're fecked. The only machines accepting their cards are the independent ones that cost like 3 quid to use.

cripes! is that a temporary thing?

Technically, although the reason is that the currency is fluctuating too much for them. In which case it could go on for a while...

Which is insane.

But the pound disintegrating is very good for me personally...

I'm so happy for you!

[Mellsblue]

BTW, one big repercussion over here (and elsewhere across the world).

ATMS refusing British cards and money exchanges refusing to change sterling. I'm lucky, I only have a small amount of pounds and can wait to change it as long as I want. But I know people who live off a British card, and they're fecked. The only machines accepting their cards are the independent ones that cost like 3 quid to use.

cripes! is that a temporary thing?

Technically, although the reason is that the currency is fluctuating too much for them. In which case it could go on for a while...

Which is insane.

But the pound disintegrating is very good for me personally...

Aren't you in Budapest (my favourite city in the world)? If so, surely this is against EU law. Free movement of goods and services, and all that.

[Stom]

cripes! is that a temporary thing?

Technically, although the reason is that the currency is fluctuating too much for them. In which case it could go on for a while...

Which is insane.

But the pound disintegrating is very good for me personally...

Aren't you in Budapest (my favourite city in the world)? If so, surely this is against EU law. Free movement of goods and services, and all that.

I don't know. It's second hand news for me, as I have no need for sterling, but I've heard of several cases here in Budapest, and also reports from Spain, too.

[Digby]

cripes! is that a temporary thing?

Technically, although the reason is that the currency is fluctuating too much for them. In which case it could go on for a while...

Which is insane.

But the pound disintegrating is very good for me personally...

Aren't you in Budapest (my favourite city in the world)? If so, surely this is against EU law. Free movement of goods and services, and all that.

But people are free to provide a service, they're simply choosing not to

[Stom]

Technically, although the reason is that the currency is fluctuating too much for them. In which case it could go on for a while...

Which is insane.

But the pound disintegrating is very good for me personally...

Aren't you in Budapest (my favourite city in the world)? If so, surely this is against EU law. Free movement of goods and services, and all that.

I don't know. It's second hand news for me, as I have no need for sterling, but I've heard of several cases here in Budapest, and also reports from Spain, too.

But it could be related to this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 05196.html

[Len]

"Project Fear" is alive and well - with the abuse of immigrants.
I posted the first part of this elsewhere on Friday, but not here as it would have been a significant side-track from the discussion at the time; but now... I kinda want the story told.
Alison moved over from France 19 years ago respecting the country for being progressive, multicultural, integrated etc.

She's been told twice last week that she's "one of the nice immigrants, it's the others we want rid of" and once (Friday) that "the country has spoken and we don't want you here". This morning Ali was at work alone, and someone came in specifically to shout "Fukk off out of our country" before running away. Reducing her to tears.
We've also heard directly from patients (specifically 2 Italians and a German) who've had similar situations within Tewkesbury.
I have written to our MP asking him to publicly condemn such behaviour as some people really do seem to think it socially acceptable now.

I also don't know what to do personally. Obviously, I have come into work just to be present on the front desk - and I am wearing my France rugby top.
If it happens again I know full well that I would want to chase the tw@ down the street; but that can only aggaravate things. I've also considered getting a CCTV system to cover reception - which is considered a public space and I believe I'd need a licence to do so; and that it would be illegal to shame people by putting anything it caught up on facebook regardless.

A guy at work came up to me on Saturday morning and told me 'you have to go home now'

He knows I'm a kiwi but doesn't actually know I'm here on a German passport which is interesting. Anyway I flared up a bit and he back pedalled.

I've always been spoken to as on of the 'good immigrants' maybe now any immigrant is a target? I have to say the stuff the Poms have said about the Eastern Europeans in the factory in front of me is disgraceful. Nearby Bognor Regis is packed with Polish migrants who were already dispised, god knows what it will be like there now. There were Polish girls crying at work on Friday for what people had been saying to them. If this keeps up I don't want anything to do with the UK or its people. I hope NZ and Australia share my view.

[Digby]

One of the regular conversations I've had the last few years with a number of Indian IT staff coming over for 6-12 month contracts is explaining to them why people are shouting Paki at them on the streets, along with some other less than pleasant comments. It's pathetic, but that's seemingly 51.8% of the voting population (I'm allowing there's likely a 0.1% who voted on sovereignty)

[Mellsblue]

Technically, although the reason is that the currency is fluctuating too much for them. In which case it could go on for a while...

Which is insane.

But the pound disintegrating is very good for me personally...

Aren't you in Budapest (my favourite city in the world)? If so, surely this is against EU law. Free movement of goods and services, and all that.

But people are free to provide a service, they're simply choosing not to

It was more the 'goods'.

[Stones of granite]

None of this can possibly be true, the media are making it up. Ask UG.

[Banquo]

"Project Fear" is alive and well - with the abuse of immigrants.
I posted the first part of this elsewhere on Friday, but not here as it would have been a significant side-track from the discussion at the time; but now... I kinda want the story told.
Alison moved over from France 19 years ago respecting the country for being progressive, multicultural, integrated etc.

She's been told twice last week that she's "one of the nice immigrants, it's the others we want rid of" and once (Friday) that "the country has spoken and we don't want you here". This morning Ali was at work alone, and someone came in specifically to shout "Fukk off out of our country" before running away. Reducing her to tears.
We've also heard directly from patients (specifically 2 Italians and a German) who've had similar situations within Tewkesbury.
I have written to our MP asking him to publicly condemn such behaviour as some people really do seem to think it socially acceptable now.

I also don't know what to do personally. Obviously, I have come into work just to be present on the front desk - and I am wearing my France rugby top.
If it happens again I know full well that I would want to chase the tw@ down the street; but that can only aggaravate things. I've also considered getting a CCTV system to cover reception - which is considered a public space and I believe I'd need a licence to do so; and that it would be illegal to shame people by putting anything it caught up on facebook regardless.

A guy at work came up to me on Saturday morning and told me 'you have to go home now'

He knows I'm a kiwi but doesn't actually know I'm here on a German passport which is interesting. Anyway I flared up a bit and he back pedalled.

I've always been spoken to as on of the 'good immigrants' maybe now any immigrant is a target? I have to say the stuff the Poms have said about the Eastern Europeans in the factory in front of me is disgraceful. Nearby Bognor Regis is packed with Polish migrants who were already dispised, god knows what it will be like there now. There were Polish girls crying at work on Friday for what people had been saying to them. If this keeps up I don't want anything to do with the UK or its people. I hope NZ and Australia share my view.

me either, but I'm fckin stuck with it

[Len]

"Project Fear" is alive and well - with the abuse of immigrants.
I posted the first part of this elsewhere on Friday, but not here as it would have been a significant side-track from the discussion at the time; but now... I kinda want the story told.
Alison moved over from France 19 years ago respecting the country for being progressive, multicultural, integrated etc.

She's been told twice last week that she's "one of the nice immigrants, it's the others we want rid of" and once (Friday) that "the country has spoken and we don't want you here". This morning Ali was at work alone, and someone came in specifically to shout "Fukk off out of our country" before running away. Reducing her to tears.
We've also heard directly from patients (specifically 2 Italians and a German) who've had similar situations within Tewkesbury.
I have written to our MP asking him to publicly condemn such behaviour as some people really do seem to think it socially acceptable now.

I also don't know what to do personally. Obviously, I have come into work just to be present on the front desk - and I am wearing my France rugby top.
If it happens again I know full well that I would want to chase the tw@ down the street; but that can only aggaravate things. I've also considered getting a CCTV system to cover reception - which is considered a public space and I believe I'd need a licence to do so; and that it would be illegal to shame people by putting anything it caught up on facebook regardless.

A guy at work came up to me on Saturday morning and told me 'you have to go home now'

He knows I'm a kiwi but doesn't actually know I'm here on a German passport which is interesting. Anyway I flared up a bit and he back pedalled.

I've always been spoken to as on of the 'good immigrants' maybe now any immigrant is a target? I have to say the stuff the Poms have said about the Eastern Europeans in the factory in front of me is disgraceful. Nearby Bognor Regis is packed with Polish migrants who were already dispised, god knows what it will be like there now. There were Polish girls crying at work on Friday for what people had been saying to them. If this keeps up I don't want anything to do with the UK or its people. I hope NZ and Australia share my view.

me either, but I'm fckin stuck with it

Look into other passports. Droves of my British friends are.

[Banquo]

A guy at work came up to me on Saturday morning and told me 'you have to go home now'

He knows I'm a kiwi but doesn't actually know I'm here on a German passport which is interesting. Anyway I flared up a bit and he back pedalled.

I've always been spoken to as on of the 'good immigrants' maybe now any immigrant is a target? I have to say the stuff the Poms have said about the Eastern Europeans in the factory in front of me is disgraceful. Nearby Bognor Regis is packed with Polish migrants who were already dispised, god knows what it will be like there now. There were Polish girls crying at work on Friday for what people had been saying to them. If this keeps up I don't want anything to do with the UK or its people. I hope NZ and Australia share my view.

me either, but I'm fckin stuck with it

Look into other passports. Droves of my British friends are.

How rude, I know the picture can be quite funny

Oh, I see

[Which Tyler]

Look into other passports. Droves of my British friends are.

Well, I think Ali and I have decided to finally tie the knot; meaning that WE could move to the EU no problem if we need to. Trouble is, it's not really any better anywhere else.

[Mellsblue]

A guy at work came up to me on Saturday morning and told me 'you have to go home now'

He knows I'm a kiwi but doesn't actually know I'm here on a German passport which is interesting. Anyway I flared up a bit and he back pedalled.

I've always been spoken to as on of the 'good immigrants' maybe now any immigrant is a target? I have to say the stuff the Poms have said about the Eastern Europeans in the factory in front of me is disgraceful. Nearby Bognor Regis is packed with Polish migrants who were already dispised, god knows what it will be like there now. There were Polish girls crying at work on Friday for what people had been saying to them. If this keeps up I don't want anything to do with the UK or its people. I hope NZ and Australia share my view.

me either, but I'm fckin stuck with it

Look into other passports. Droves of my British friends are.

I do think it's quite ironic/hypocritical* that some Remainers who were stating only last week that the EU isn't perfect but we should stay and try and improve/change it are now bleating on about emigrating. I know it's mainly a immediate emotional reaction to the result, but still.



*delete as appropriate dependant on your stance on Alanis Morrisette.

[bruce]

One of the regular conversations I've had the last few years with a number of Indian IT staff coming over for 6-12 month contracts is explaining to them why people are shouting Paki at them on the streets, along with some other less than pleasant comments. It's pathetic, but that's seemingly 51.8% of the voting population (I'm allowing there's likely a 0.1% who voted on sovereignty)

That's good of you. FFS talk about tarring with the same brush. Minority of idiots who ought to be arrested.

Right, we've had enough time to get all the emotional hysterics off our chest, can we carry on with our lives now without the constant need of talking ourselves into a recession and pedalling he said/she said racist b#llocks.

[jared_7]

"Project Fear" is alive and well - with the abuse of immigrants.
I posted the first part of this elsewhere on Friday, but not here as it would have been a significant side-track from the discussion at the time; but now... I kinda want the story told.
Alison moved over from France 19 years ago respecting the country for being progressive, multicultural, integrated etc.

She's been told twice last week that she's "one of the nice immigrants, it's the others we want rid of" and once (Friday) that "the country has spoken and we don't want you here". This morning Ali was at work alone, and someone came in specifically to shout "Fukk off out of our country" before running away. Reducing her to tears.
We've also heard directly from patients (specifically 2 Italians and a German) who've had similar situations within Tewkesbury.
I have written to our MP asking him to publicly condemn such behaviour as some people really do seem to think it socially acceptable now.

I also don't know what to do personally. Obviously, I have come into work just to be present on the front desk - and I am wearing my France rugby top.
If it happens again I know full well that I would want to chase the tw@ down the street; but that can only aggaravate things. I've also considered getting a CCTV system to cover reception - which is considered a public space and I believe I'd need a licence to do so; and that it would be illegal to shame people by putting anything it caught up on facebook regardless.

A guy at work came up to me on Saturday morning and told me 'you have to go home now'

He knows I'm a kiwi but doesn't actually know I'm here on a German passport which is interesting. Anyway I flared up a bit and he back pedalled.

I've always been spoken to as on of the 'good immigrants' maybe now any immigrant is a target? I have to say the stuff the Poms have said about the Eastern Europeans in the factory in front of me is disgraceful. Nearby Bognor Regis is packed with Polish migrants who were already dispised, god knows what it will be like there now. There were Polish girls crying at work on Friday for what people had been saying to them. If this keeps up I don't want anything to do with the UK or its people. I hope NZ and Australia share my view.

My girlfriend and her friends copped it on Sunday whilst at the pubs. All raised in American, speaking English, but from different backgrounds; she's from Bolivia (on a German passport), a friend from Vietnam, Hong Kong, India (all on highly skilled work visas). On 2 occasions people made disparaging remarks.

She's devastated, can't wait to leave.

People can go on about how so and so hasn't addressed the concern of middle England, but guess what? Its not a real concern, its just pandering to bigotry. By attempting to acknowledge immigration as a problem all you do is justify people's hatred for minorities. That box is opened now. It doesn't matter now whether people are on work visa's, British passports or whatever; if you sound different you shouldn't be here. I guess I need to apologise my friends and I have ruined English "culture".