Jones gone (Now 100% confirmed)

[Tigersman]

Didn’t someone say it was 2 million earlier?

This is all looking great for Cockerill.

Yeh £2million for Borthwick, Walters, Sinfield and Wigglesworth

[Puja]

I’d be interested if anyone know how many times has Cockerill been around when there have been sudden unexpected changes of the top dog?

At least three now - Loffreda at Leicester and Mike Ford in Toulon. Wasn't there something at the end of his playing career in Montpellier as well?

Puja

[Mellsblue]

Where has this £2m figure come from?

[FKAS]

I’d be interested if anyone know how many times has Cockerill been around when there have been sudden unexpected changes of the top dog?

At least three now - Loffreda at Leicester and Mike Ford in Toulon. Wasn't there something at the end of his playing career in Montpellier as well?

Puja

He finished up at Clermont didn't he? Got a player coach job with Pat Howard first off then followed him back to Tigers. He didn't get the top job until after Meyer left though I think he had a spell as interim first.

Mells, the £2m came from a Telegraph article which suggested various amounts demanded from Tigers and offered by the RFU.

[francoisfou]

I’ve just read in Rugby Pass that Eddie is to become a « deluxe consultant » with Top14 side Castres Olympique when he comes back from some R&R in Japan. Their head coach, Pierre Henry Broncan is apparently an old mate. Eddie clearly saw the writing on the wall and put out a few feelers before the axe fell.

[Danno]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/ ... up-chances

Nah thanks Danny. Don't go all Tom Wood on us now

[badback]

I’d be interested if anyone know how many times has Cockerill been around when there have been sudden unexpected changes of the top dog?

At least three now - Loffreda at Leicester and Mike Ford in Toulon. Wasn't there something at the end of his playing career in Montpellier as well?

Puja

Thanks.
Interesting

[Puja]

I’d be interested if anyone know how many times has Cockerill been around when there have been sudden unexpected changes of the top dog?

At least three now - Loffreda at Leicester and Mike Ford in Toulon. Wasn't there something at the end of his playing career in Montpellier as well?

Puja

He finished up at Clermont didn't he? Got a player coach job with Pat Howard first off then followed him back to Tigers. He didn't get the top job until after Meyer left though I think he had a spell as interim first.

Mells, the £2m came from a Telegraph article which suggested various amounts demanded from Tigers and offered by the RFU.

You are quite right - I was thinking of Clermont (although I think they were Cler-Montferrand at the time?). He didn't get the top job after Loffreda, but he was definitely part of the knife-wielding. Don't believe he gave Meyer a push (as that was very much a personal issue).

Puja

[FKAS]

"Care also urged the new management team to press the reset button when it comes to selection, having been ignored by Jones for nearly four years before his summer recall. “There are a lot of talented players who haven’t had many opportunities over the last few years who are going ‘Ok, this is my shot now’,” he added. “Hopefully it’s a completely fresh piece of paper for the coaches to have a look at everyone – old and young – and see if they can help out this England side.” "

[fivepointer]

Care for England! Think that boat has sailed but you cant blame the bloke for trying.

[Oakboy]

Care for England! Think that boat has sailed but you cant blame the bloke for trying.

Agreed but Wigglesworth or Heinz ahead of him was a Jones-quirk that I never understood.

[FKAS]

Care for England! Think that boat has sailed but you cant blame the bloke for trying.

Agreed but Wigglesworth or Heinz ahead of him was a Jones-quirk that I never understood.

Stronger kicking games. Same reason Youngs has remained an international scrum half for so long.

[Mellsblue]

I think we all know why, we just don’t understand (agree would be the better word) the thought process.

[Stom]

Care for England! Think that boat has sailed but you cant blame the bloke for trying.

Agreed but Wigglesworth or Heinz ahead of him was a Jones-quirk that I never understood.

Stronger kicking games. Same reason Youngs has remained an international scrum half for so long.

I think I'd rather say different kicking games. And it's not like we've never criticised Youngs for absolutely appalling kicking...hmm...I wonder...

[Mellsblue]

I think I'd rather say different kicking games. And it's not like we've never criticised Youngs for absolutely appalling kicking...hmm...I wonder...

Could it be that some will play to order whilst others might want to play what’s in front of them. Sounds a lot like Townsend v Russell.
The Times saying today that Care dared to question Jones’s team selection before/after the fateful Japan match. Anyone ever seen Danny and Mystic Meg in the same room?

[Oakboy]

Care for England! Think that boat has sailed but you cant blame the bloke for trying.

Agreed but Wigglesworth or Heinz ahead of him was a Jones-quirk that I never understood.

Stronger kicking games. Same reason Youngs has remained an international scrum half for so long.

Ah, I have a mental block there. Banquo will re-consign me to the naughty step for saying it, but I'd restrict SHs to, say, six kicks per game. Do any of them pass by default these days, or, even dare to run with the ball?

[FKAS]

Agreed but Wigglesworth or Heinz ahead of him was a Jones-quirk that I never understood.

Stronger kicking games. Same reason Youngs has remained an international scrum half for so long.

Ah, I have a mental block there. Banquo will re-consign me to the naughty step for saying it, but I'd restrict SHs to, say, six kicks per game. Do any of them pass by default these days, or, even dare to run with the ball?

Only when in the opposition's third of the field.

[Puja]

Agreed but Wigglesworth or Heinz ahead of him was a Jones-quirk that I never understood.

Stronger kicking games. Same reason Youngs has remained an international scrum half for so long.

Ah, I have a mental block there. Banquo will re-consign me to the naughty step for saying it, but I'd restrict SHs to, say, six kicks per game. Do any of them pass by default these days, or, even dare to run with the ball?

Did I hear someone summoning my hobby horse - "Kicking from the base of a ruck should be banned as an ELV for a year to see what happens"?

Puja

[Mellsblue]

Stronger kicking games. Same reason Youngs has remained an international scrum half for so long.

Ah, I have a mental block there. Banquo will re-consign me to the naughty step for saying it, but I'd restrict SHs to, say, six kicks per game. Do any of them pass by default these days, or, even dare to run with the ball?

Did I hear someone summoning my hobby horse - "Kicking from the base of a ruck should be banned as an ELV for a year to see what happens"?

Puja

The ‘Give Danny Care a recall’ bandwagon is gaining momentum.

[FKAS]

Stronger kicking games. Same reason Youngs has remained an international scrum half for so long.

Ah, I have a mental block there. Banquo will re-consign me to the naughty step for saying it, but I'd restrict SHs to, say, six kicks per game. Do any of them pass by default these days, or, even dare to run with the ball?

Did I hear someone summoning my hobby horse - "Kicking from the base of a ruck should be banned as an ELV for a year to see what happens"?

Puja

What happens would probably be the over use of the term "spiral bomb" (again).

[Spiffy]

Agreed but Wigglesworth or Heinz ahead of him was a Jones-quirk that I never understood.

Stronger kicking games. Same reason Youngs has remained an international scrum half for so long.

I think I'd rather say different kicking games. And it's not like we've never criticised Youngs for absolutely appalling kicking...hmm...I wonder...

In the past a good scrum half was reckoned as one who could consistently throw a long, fast and accurate pass to his 10, so that the fly half could get on with his traditional business of running the game. An almost invisible link, like, say - Peter Stringer.
Along came a successful team or two from France who changed all that by giving the pre-eminent, pivitol, decision making role to the SH. Now things have evolved to where there is a generation of dull, mediocre SHs out there who are not particularly good at passing, kicking, decision making, breaking or anything else.
I blame it all on the Frogs.

[Banquo]

Agreed but Wigglesworth or Heinz ahead of him was a Jones-quirk that I never understood.

Stronger kicking games. Same reason Youngs has remained an international scrum half for so long.

Ah, I have a mental block there. Banquo will re-consign me to the naughty step for saying it, but I'd restrict SHs to, say, six kicks per game. Do any of them pass by default these days, or, even dare to run with the ball?

I agree there is too much of it, but its a positive way of exiting your own 22 or just outside.

[Banquo]

Stronger kicking games. Same reason Youngs has remained an international scrum half for so long.

Ah, I have a mental block there. Banquo will re-consign me to the naughty step for saying it, but I'd restrict SHs to, say, six kicks per game. Do any of them pass by default these days, or, even dare to run with the ball?

Did I hear someone summoning my hobby horse - "Kicking from the base of a ruck should be banned as an ELV for a year to see what happens"?

Puja

ELV on a shelf

[Banquo]

Stronger kicking games. Same reason Youngs has remained an international scrum half for so long.

I think I'd rather say different kicking games. And it's not like we've never criticised Youngs for absolutely appalling kicking...hmm...I wonder...

In the past a good scrum half was reckoned as one who could consistently throw a long, fast and accurate pass to his 10, so that the fly half could get on with his traditional business of running the game. An almost invisible link, like, say - Peter Stringer.
Along came a successful team or two from France who changed all that by giving the pre-eminent, pivitol, decision making role to the SH. Now things have evolved to where there is a generation of dull, mediocre SHs out there who are not particularly good at passing, kicking, decision making, breaking or anything else.
I blame it all on the Frogs.

The French have been dping that forvever, or at least since Fouroux....

[p/d]

Slightly off topic but are we in the delightful position of returning to ‘Replacements’